Auger he/him Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 I don't know if this has been brought up before but a Q&A from Theoryland got me thinking. The person asked how many shards were on Roshar, to which Brandon responded: "There are 3 shards on Roshar. But Honor is dead". Read it again. Honor is dead. Yet there are still 3 shards according to Brandon. Does that mean 3 excluding Honor? If Honor is dead and his shard was splintered, surely he can't be one of those 3. Thoughts? 4
Elithanathile he/him Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 My thinking about this is that there are three shards, including Honor, but honor is dead. I see this meaning that Honor could live again. If the oaths are carried out, he could be "revived" and come back. So honor isn't currently in play, but he could be brought back. 1
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 I don't know if this has been brought up before but a Q&A from Theoryland got me thinking. The person asked how many shards were on Roshar, to which Brandon responded: "There are 3 shards on Roshar. But Honor is dead". Read it again. Honor is dead. Yet there are still 3 shards according to Brandon. Does that mean 3 excluding Honor? If Honor is dead and his shard was splintered, surely he can't be one of those 3. Thoughts? Honor's shard is still there even though the holder Tanavast is dead, in the same way that Ruin or Preservation were still on Scadrial in that moment between Vin and Ati's deaths, before being taken up again and becoming Harmony. 1
Lindel he/him Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Honor's shard is still there even though the holder Tanavast is dead, in the same way that Ruin or Preservation were still on Scadrial in that moment between Vin and Ati's deaths, before being taken up again and becoming Harmony. Except Honor has been Spintered. Unlike Ruin and Preservation, where the power was still whole and complete, and someone picking it up provided a quick, easy solution, it's going to be a lot harder to revive Honor. His power is broken up and scattered all over the place. So when we say Honor is dead, we're not just talking about Tanavast, we're talking about the Shard itself. I agree that Honor is most likely one of the three Shards Brandon was referring to, but I thought I'd clarify that, cause the Ruin/Preservation example isn't exactly analogous to the current state of Honor. 2
Arook he/him Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Devotion and dominion are still considered on their world even shattered 1
Elsecaller3414 she/her Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Isn't Cultivation also on Roshar? People talk about that shard a lot. 3
Arook he/him Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Isn't Cultivation also on Roshar? People talk about that shard a lot. yes 1
Guest Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Except Honor has been Spintered. Unlike Ruin and Preservation, where the power was still whole and complete, and someone picking it up provided a quick, easy solution, it's going to be a lot harder to revive Honor. His power is broken up and scattered all over the place. So when we say Honor is dead, we're not just talking about Tanavast, we're talking about the Shard itself. I agree that Honor is most likely one of the three Shards Brandon was referring to, but I thought I'd clarify that, cause the Ruin/Preservation example isn't exactly analogous to the current state of Honor. Sel has 2 Shards, both dead, and both Splintered (2 Shards, Splintered, with 0 Bearers). Scadrial has 2 Shards, both held by 1 person (2 Shards, 1 Bearer). Roshar has 3 Shards (1 Splintered, 2 Bearers)
bunyip99 he/him Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Sel has 2 Shards, both dead, and both Splintered (2 Shards, Splintered, with 0 Bearers). Scadrial has 2 Shards, both held by 1 person (2 Shards, 1 Bearer). Roshar has 3 Shards (1 Splintered, 2 Bearers) Sorry Auger I accidentally down voted you, could somebody please fix that.Anyway, I'm thinking that on Roshar, we have confirmation of only Honor and Cultivation being on the planet. Odium is confined to Braise, but may have some influence on Roshar through the Unmade and or Void Spren. I believe there was a WOB somewhere saying that there was Shard in hiding, just trying to survive or something like that, and I'm wondering if that could be the 3rd Shard on Roshar 2
WeiryWriter he/him Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 The three shards on/involved with Roshar are Honor, Cultivation, and Odium. There are no if ands or buts about it. People have brought up this discussion time and time again but there isn't anything hiding here. Q: The line about three of sixteen reigned and now the Broken One rules. Did Odium follow three other shards to Roshar, or is he the third Shard?A: Odium is the third Shard on Roshar. (source) 3
Guest Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 (Quote from Brandon) Umm... Odium never really settled on a planet. He is now settled on Roshar and his magic has permeated things. Leaving would be very difficult for him. It would either involve leaving behind some of his power or ripping that out, which would be a difficult process. So yes it is very tough to leave. That is an excellent question and for those of you who don’t know. Is anyone just baffled by that question? (I'm on mobile, and though I'm able to copy/paste this I can't properly source link it. This was from "Phoenix Comicon" I think)
natc Posted May 3, 2015 Posted May 3, 2015 Part of the confusion with Odium here, I feel is that though his actual main body is on Braize affecting the planet Roshar remotely, the entire solar system IIRC is referred to collectively as Greater Roshar. 1
.S.A.M.K.M Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 We know odium is traveling worlds and has caused devestation, i wonder what would happen if he is simply not around for the desolation. We know distance can be an issue with magics. If they can keep him from returning, then that could force him to choose a champion. 1
Guest Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 He's trapped in Greater Roshar and his power is somehow restricted. (WoR epigraphs. I think section 3, maybe 4... the one before we start getting bits of the Diagram)
natc Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 We know odium is traveling worlds and has caused devestation, i wonder what would happen if he is simply not around for the desolation. We know distance can be an issue with magics. If they can keep him from returning, then that could force him to choose a champion. He's tried to leave since he got here. He can't. Either some natural realmatic phenomenon has locked him down or Honor kept him here on purpose. 1
blad3mast3r he/him Posted May 4, 2015 Posted May 4, 2015 The three shards on/involved with Roshar are Honor, Cultivation, and Odium. There are no if ands or buts about it. People have brought up this discussion time and time again but there isn't anything hiding here. (source) Correct.
Auger he/him Posted May 5, 2015 Author Posted May 5, 2015 I know and accept that Odium and Cultivation are two of the shards that Brandon was talking about - my point was nothing to do with those 2 shards. It was simply presenting the theory that the third shard may not be Honor as he has confirmed as being splintered/ shattered.
Arondell Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Don't look at it as Honor having been destroyed. It is all still there just in little pieces without a central focus. The original holder is dead but the power of the shard is still present.
Elsecaller3414 she/her Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 So... with the whole traveling Shards thing, is it limited to a single solar system, or can they travel throughout the cosmere?
Arook he/him Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 I think natc is saying only odium is limited to this solar system now. He clearly having been able to move about in the past. So unless some force has locked the shards in their relative locations then other shards should be able to move at will. After all everything we know points to them choosing the planets they ended up on in the first place.
Arondell Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 In a sense there is a force that locks a shard in place if they stay in one location long enough. In this case it is their own power. Once it gets a chance to seep into an environment it is apparently very hard to get it back out. So if a settled shard wants to move then it either has to leave some of its power behind or go to great effort to yank the power out. I think this might be related to the reason why Odium is now currently trapped. 1
Elsecaller3414 she/her Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 That makes sense. When I read your post, I was thinking that it sounds very much like plant roots. Once the roots take hold, it is much harder to pull up the plant. Of course, if the plant could think and move about, it would be hard to change locations without leaving the roots behind.
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