SirShemmington VI Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Questions in the tittle, just curious about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I doubt it since they're external powers, no more than you could increase someone else's strength with pewter, perhaps one of the god metal alloys would allow it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyring Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 (edited) Is pain a feeling in this aspect I wonder? Can you affect pain with soothing/rioting? Its likely a no to that right? (And I agree on that you can´t affect yourself with soothing/rioting. Lucky, or all the soothers and rioters would just be hippies walking about extremely happy all the time I think;). Junkies on metal!) Edited December 31, 2012 by dyring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 No. Breeze explicitly narrates that he cannot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Zane specifically mentions it in Well of Ascention as he takes off from Straff's camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Is pain a feeling in this aspect I wonder? Can you affect pain with soothing/rioting? Its likely a no to that right? (And I agree on that you can´t affect yourself with soothing/rioting. Lucky, or all the soothers and rioters would just be hippies walking about extremely happy all the time I think;). Junkies on metal!) We had a good discussion on that a while ago, there's a quote from mistborn 1 that suggests you should be able to soothe pain, tiredness definitely is. I'll try and find the other thread on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 If you can soothe pain.... Rioters would be torture machines So no, I don't think you can directly soothe pain. You can remove weariness and other things that increase the pain to simulate it, but you can't actually get rid of the pain itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 If you can soothe pain.... Rioters would be torture machines So no, I don't think you can directly soothe pain. I don't follow your logical step here. Please correct me if my impression is wrong: you seem to be saying that it's a proven fact that Rioters cannot increase pain. If I do in fact understand you correctly, what from the books (or other sources) supports this theory? If I'm mistaken, would you mind re-wording your argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I don't follow your logical step here. Please correct me if my impression is wrong: you seem to be saying that it's a proven fact that Rioters cannot increase pain. If I do in fact understand you correctly, what from the books (or other sources) supports this theory? If I'm mistaken, would you mind re-wording your argument? I'm saying that if soothers can dampen pain, rioters can enhance it, which would most liekly have been discovered in the 1,300+ years passed. We hear no mention of TLR torturing with it, and no mention of it at all in any of the 4 books, so I'm assuming it's impossible to do directly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, of the soothers and rioters we've had direct accounts from most of them were unlikely to try torturing someone, the fact that it isn't mentioned explicitly doesn't mean it never happened, no one ever managed to push on titanium during the books, doesn't mean it's immune to pushing or pulling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, of the soothers and rioters we've had direct accounts from most of them were unlikely to try torturing someone, the fact that it isn't mentioned explicitly doesn't mean it never happened, no one ever managed to push on titanium during the books, doesn't mean it's immune to pushing or pulling. GAH! Someone help. I went to "vote up" this post and I clicked the minus button by mistake (I just woke up and I had gunk in my eyes and I missed). How do I fix this? Edited January 2, 2013 by Darnam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 GAH! Someone help. I went to "vote up" this post and I clicked the minus button by mistake (I just woke up and I had gunk in my eyes and I missed). How do I fix this? You can't unfortunately, I think our current workaround for those sorts of accidents is just to upvote somewhere else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'm simply saying that if Mistborn and Rioters had the power to crush people with pain, their fights would involve a lot more telepathic agony and a lot less jumping. Nobles spent a thousand years figuring out the best ways to keep themselves alive and their enemies dead, and I'm pretty sure the allomancers perfected their art as well. Even if you chalk that up to TLR supressing technology, we still get the large time gap before AoL filled with people experimenting with allomancy presided over by an intellectual god. It just seems horribly unlikely that in so much time this ability has never been heard of. And as a side note, I think pain is "created" by a totally different process than emotions, making the two different. But what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I don't mean it would be unknown in-world just that we're unlikely to see it being used, all the allomancer fights that we have POV from were mistborn so they could shield themselves from it anyway, and I doubt that torturing people was a use that Vin, Elend or Kelsier would use (Maybe Kel in the early days) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I don't mean it would be unknown in-world just that we're unlikely to see it being used, all the allomancer fights that we have POV from were mistborn so they could shield themselves from it anyway, and I doubt that torturing people was a use that Vin, Elend or Kelsier would use (Maybe Kel in the early days) Torture isn't the only application. It saves you the trouble of punching somebody's lights out if you can just have them doubled over from a distance. And again I ask: Does pain even qualify as an emotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Does tiredness? Hunger? We've seen both of those get Soothed. And Kel was able to at least make Vin's pain feel 'unimportant. Seems like it definitely could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Does tiredness? Hunger? We've seen both of those get Soothed. And Kel was able to at least make Vin's pain feel 'unimportant. Seems like it definitely could be. Point for the first two, thought overwelming happiness has a way of making pain feel secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Actually come to think of it, if you can't soothe or Riot pain then it's still just as easy to increase it as a sensation, just Duralumin or Nicrosil Soothe someone, they're bound to be feeling a little bit of pain and then that's just about all they can feel, that's pretty much how most Soothers work anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Actually come to think of it, if you can't soothe or Riot pain then it's still just as easy to increase it as a sensation, just Duralumin or Nicrosil Soothe someone, they're bound to be feeling a little bit of pain and then that's just about all they can feel, that's pretty much how most Soothers work anyway. Like I said, even if you can't soothe pain, taking away exhastion and anything else will achieve a similar effect. the opposite is probably true..... So... Rioters can make you drowsy. That's bound to have some inteesting applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 Yeah and Hungry, I actually think that those two would probably be even more useful in a torture or incapacitation scenario anyway, in a fight they'd be prepared for pain and all the adrenaline would probably help, but who expects to suddenly get a ravenous case of the munchies mid-fight, making them drowsy obviously useful too, gives openings, etc. we need more emotional allomancy users! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 he/him Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Yeah and Hungry, I actually think that those two would probably be even more useful in a torture or incapacitation scenario anyway, in a fight they'd be prepared for pain and all the adrenaline would probably help, but who expects to suddenly get a ravenous case of the munchies mid-fight, making them drowsy obviously useful too, gives openings, etc. we need more emotional allomancy users! That would be pretty funny and awesome to see in a book, a Rioter that all of a sudden makes his foe, fall over asleep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Though its unlikely that you could hit a person hard enough to knock them out without duralumin, it'd still be pretty awesome. I should use that in the RPG some time if this is confirmed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailliw73 he/him Posted January 4, 2013 Report Share Posted January 4, 2013 Oh, yea, you're Vari, right? I would totally read that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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