Question 10

[Sirce Luckwielder he/him]

With this whole huge conflict thing, I think we are giving Epic loyalty too much credit. Sure Deathgale, the Metal, Winterspell et.al are "loyal" now, but we know Epics betray each other like its no big thing. It doesn't even need to be a smart betrayal (look at Faultline betraying Steelheart... What???).

Some of them could go to the other side. Maybe Bioterror gets a better offer and takes it. Maybe any one if them decides that they would make a better ruler than Lucentia.

Although, basically as I finished that I remembered Mary has all their blood and they are infected by her. I suppose she can enforce loyalty that way? What if she dies, doesn't that "reset" her blood?

This is true. We already know that Winterspell doesn't particularly like the Astorian Government. It would take something to get him to turn though, he isn't that uncomfortable in his position right now to turn coats willy nilly.

What if Mary turns against Lucentia, and she has to retake her city?

Mary basically runs the place already, what's to stop her from taking over? I think the biggest blow to Astoria would come if any of the major Epics switched sides. Not an easy task, but potentially workable.

Well I think Edge has good reasons for his characters to work for Lucentia and Bioterror really needs other Epics to wield power, basically all he does is kill people which is not terrifically useful if you end up killing all the people you want to serve you. He could conceivably defect to someone else's side but they'd have to have a pretty overwhelming advantage to convince him. I don't think Mary has much of a hold over any of the stronger Epics like the Metal or Deathgale since they have PIs, Bioterror could just purge his blood of hers if he wanted to since he's a fleshwarper.

Could he also heal or inoculate people with his powers? Having an Epic of his caliber would be very helpful for any opposing factions and they could potentially put him in a power role for his help.

[Voidus]

Could he also heal or inoculate people with his powers? Having an Epic of his caliber would be very helpful for any opposing factions and they could potentially put him in a power role for his help.

No, unfortunately his fleshwarping abilities for anyone but himself are limited to killing things.

[mail-mi he/him]

No, unfortunately his fleshwarping abilities for anyone but himself are limited to killing things.

By choice or by power limitation?

[Voidus]

By choice or by power limitation?

Technically both It's power limitation but he'd also probably still just use it to kill people even if he could heal or enhance others.

[+Slowswift]

Do we get to see the lyrics for this song?

 

Maybe eventually. 

[Sirce Luckwielder he/him]

No, unfortunately his fleshwarping abilities for anyone but himself are limited to killing things.

He would still be helpful if we decide to roll this forward and you want to join up.

[Comatose he/him]

Hey guys, love the discussion, I just have a few things to say.

 

@Corvallis Crew:

I love all your guys's posts, I really like how it is shaping up. However I think that we are going to need more or at least more organized opposition to Rainmaker's rule. Someone in the Question threads voiced that they wanted to be the riot leader. Also, we need Epics in opposition to Rainmaker. I don't know if people could RP a Queen and an Rioting Epic, but that might be a solution. also the people currently participating in Astoria or Portland could join and fill that role.

 

Just some of my thoughts, I really like the work everyone is doing. 

 

One thing to keep in mind is that the epics who are in Corvallis are there by choice.  Most of them can leave at any time.  Well, not any time, they'd still have to wait for scheduled shield-drop days, but they wouldn't have much trouble.  Mostly Rainmaker has just given them a safe place to live with lots of resources, and access to happy slaves.  They don't have reasons to fight against her like the Vanillas do.  Now, of course, there are epics from outside who have reason to destroy her rule, and some may have infiltrated the city (such as Iconoclast and the other attackers), but I don't really see a reason for an epic who has voluntarily chosen to live in Corvallis to risk challenging Rainmaker unless they want the city for themselves.  

 

EDIT:  I definitely think people here could RP both a Queen and a rebel Epic.  I think most people seem to have people on multiple sides of many conflicts in the different RPs.  I know on MBI it seems to work fine.  

 

Oh, don't worry, Gregory has a plan (aka a fan obsession), and he's going to read out of his philosophy book (aka Mistborn) and come up with some way to defeat the Corvallis Epics (aka copy Kelsier's plans).

 

I can't wait .  I've always had a strange fascination with the Lord Ruler.  

 

I am now halfway tempted to add a second underground rebellion leader, a Newcago transplant who sings "First World Problems" to themselves whenever they hear people complaining about the happiness being gone.

 

Yes please!

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Yes please!

 

I was going to ask you.

 

Anyway, so here's the idea I'm working off of so far. 

 

He's a Newcago transplant, where he was a mechanic, but he left when the tyranny got to be too much. He went with a group of other ex-Newcagoans and made his way to Oregon, where he settled in Corvallis. I don't know if this part will work or not, but I was thinking he works for an Epic who doesn't like the way everyone is so cheery and happy all the time. This Epic's favorite pastime is complaining, and he looks like this: 

 

 

This Newcago transplant rarely visits Euphoria, as this Epic finds other ways of keeping his slaves in line. Captain First World Problems routinely complains to this Newcago transplant, and the transplant snarks back. CFWP occasionally remarks that "much more of that and I'll take you to Euphoria," but he never does, because he secretly enjoys the snarking. His slaves don't rebel, so he doesn't feel the need to bring them to Euphoria. The transplant is working to bring down Rainmaker and the other Queens because he vehemently disagrees with the way she keeps control over the populace—i.e., by turning them all into drug addicts. One of the few things he misses about Newcago is that slaves were at least allowed to be miserable when they wanted to, so this transplant is essentially working to give people their God-given right to misery. 

 

Also, if none of what I just wrote contradicts Corvallis' canon, I think his character icon will be this picture right here: 

 

Edited April 24, 2015 by TwiLyghtSansSparkles

[Blackhoof]

If she get more angry, then she could storm off, and then meet with Iconoclast, and form an alliance. It could work, but just thinking about it makes me want to go and hide.

hahaha it scares me too!

  

I agree, I also think there should be some organized vanilla revolts, but not stupid riots, smart planned assaults on epics. What do you guys think?

certainly. The inability of the Queens to stop the Hhoul attacks that will start soon will make them extra angry.

  

 

Well I think Edge has good reasons for his characters to work for Lucentia and Bioterror really needs other Epics to wield power, basically all he does is kill people which is not terrifically useful if you end up killing all the people you want to serve you. He could conceivably defect to someone else's side but they'd have to have a pretty overwhelming advantage to convince him. I don't think Mary has much of a hold over any of the stronger Epics like the Metal or Deathgale since they have PIs, Bioterror could just purge his blood of hers if he wanted to since he's a fleshwarper.

 

Deathgale, Bioterror and Winterspell could always team up and try to take over.

 

There's also the fact that Lucentia knows the weaknesses of all the Epics in her service, and I think she also replaced the Metal's skeleton with her diamond so she controls him that way. While it's not the best way of keeping Epics loyal, breaking that hold would likely require access to Lucentia's weakness, and most likely Bloody Mary's as well.

 

intense. I imagine they resent that though? If they found a way to get her killed or trapped away from the city, would they try, if they had plausible deniability?

The Metal seems trapped though, as long as she can control his skeleton.

 

Oh, don't worry, Gregory has a plan (aka a fan obsession), and he's going to read out of his philosophy book (aka Mistborn) and come up with some way to defeat the Corvallis Epics (aka copy Kelsier's plans).

 

if he becomes an Eoic with metal-manipulation powers in going to scream

 

This is true. We already know that Winterspell doesn't particularly like the Astorian Government. It would take something to get him to turn though, he isn't that uncomfortable in his position right now to turn coats willy nilly.

Mary basically runs the place already, what's to stop her from taking over? I think the biggest blow to Astoria would come if any of the major Epics switched sides. Not an easy task, but potentially workable.

Could he also heal or inoculate people with his powers? Having an Epic of his caliber would be very helpful for any opposing factions and they could potentially put him in a power role for his help.

 

Mary is essentially in charge, but as an Epic, having any superior at all would be grating. If Lucentia was out if the picture, she would rule in name and in fact.

 

One thing to keep in mind is that the epics who are in Corvallis are there by choice.  Most of them can leave at any time.  Well, not any time, they'd still have to wait for scheduled shield-drop days, but they wouldn't have much trouble.  Mostly Rainmaker has just given them a safe place to live with lots of resources, and access to happy slaves.  They don't have reasons to fight against her like the Vanillas do.  Now, of course, there are epics from outside who have reason to destroy her rule, and some may have infiltrated the city (such as Iconoclast and the other attackers), but I don't really see a reason for an epic who has voluntarily chosen to live in Corvallis to risk challenging Rainmaker unless they want the city for themselves.  

 

EDIT:  I definitely think people here could RP both a Queen and a rebel Epic.  I think most people seem to have people on multiple sides of many conflicts in the different RPs.  I know on MBI it seems to work fine.    

 

 

Yes please!

I'm interested by Faultline, and how she shows that Epics don't need good reasons to revolt. Presumably she had nothing whatsoever to gain by challenging Steelheart.... Except potential rule over Newcago. Just the tiny chance to rule (likely combined with arrogance and idiocy) was enough of a lure to cause her to challenge him.

Likewise, there will be plenty of Epics in Corvallis eager to supplant Rainmaker. They wouldn't want Corvallis destroyed, they'd want everything intact except for Rainmaker. And with these disturbances and attacks, Rainmaker's hold would be looking shaky, especially if Converter shrugs off everything she throws off her as she likely will.

Actually, that inspires me.

@Comatose: Do you mind if I create another character, an Epic, who challenges Rainmaker to a duel for control if the city, much like challengers against Steelheart? My Epic will lose, and the challenge wont happen for at least a day or so, but just to show a little extra chaos and uncertainty in the city?

[Blackhoof]

Oh, another question I thought of-

 

@Voidus: does Cornucopia grow petrol? It just occurred to me to...do something, and a petrol crop would make it easier

when this question occurred to me I forgot that she grew water bottles (presumably filled with water?) in another scene, so does she plant gas cans to grow petrol, to fuel the vehicles and such of Corvallis?

[Voidus]

There's not reason she couldn't but I don't know how much petrol they need. If they did it'd likely just be one massive tree somewhere sprouting large tanks.

[Blackhoof]

yeah, I wondered how much as well.

 

Cars and SUV's and such have been mentioned in various scenes, so the Queens and their governent use vehicles at least.

 

Would a vehicle of some kind be included in the "payment" of useful and powerful Epics?

[Blaze1616 he/him]

I'm interested by Faultline, and how she shows that Epics don't need good reasons to revolt. Presumably she had nothing whatsoever to gain by challenging Steelheart.... Except potential rule over Newcago. Just the tiny chance to rule (likely combined with arrogance and idiocy) was enough of a lure to cause her to challenge him.

Likewise, there will be plenty of Epics in Corvallis eager to supplant Rainmaker. They wouldn't want Corvallis destroyed, they'd want everything intact except for Rainmaker. And with these disturbances and attacks, Rainmaker's hold would be looking shaky, especially if Converter shrugs off everything she throws off her as she likely will.

I actually disagree with you. There are some major differences between Newcago and Corvallis. The two biggest differences are that 1) ALL vanillas are slaves of some kind in Corvallis, providing a near infinite amount (for practical purposes), but in Newcago they aren't, Epics just have the right to kill any vanilla they see fit. 2) Corvallis weather is always amazing (except when the vanilla population upsets Rainmaker), while Newcago is constantly covered in darkness and the city is all steel. Corvallis is essentially a paradise for Epics. Epics who spend time there would naturally be less likely to revolt due to the nature of them even being in Corvallis (unless they enter with the express purpose of overthrowing the Queens like Iconoclast has).

 

On that note, even vanillas are not predisposed to revolt. Well, vanillas from out of town, anyways. One of the original ideas of Corvallis was that even vanillas migrate to the city because they'd rather feel false happiness than live in the crappy world that is ReckonEarth. So the only vanillas that should be revolting are those who have lived in Corvallis all their life, and as such don't know of the horrors of outside the bubble. Otherwise why travel to a town where you know you'll be forced to work, either as a public servant or a private one? It just wouldn't make much sense for any vanillas from out of town to revolt, unless their reasoning is due to the loss of the happiness, but they are far more likely to believe Rainmaker's speech than to just jump to the conclusion that Euphoria is never coming back (particularly when they don't know she's missing).

 

As for Faultline, I don't think one Epic making a dumb decision to turn against their boss is enough evidence to say all Epics are so power hungry as to ruin a good thing. Instead, I think it just shows how stupid Faultline is. Though I agree there is likely someone in Corvallis wanting to challenge Rainmaker's rule, but they'd likely be detered from the thought of having to take all the Queens, not just one. In addition, an Epic taking over Corvallis would have to know that after defeating Rainmaker they'd lose all the security that the bubble provides, all the beautiful weather that Rainmaker provides, and the happiness drug that provides the slave labor, not to mention the crops that the Queens provide. Though it's true an Epic might be able to convince some of the Queens to swap, it would need to be a pretty strong Epic that can promise a reign of control that Rainmaker has already provided. I just don't see much reason for any of the Queens to turn against Rainmaker, and I don't see any challengers succeeding without being crazy powerful (like Iconoclast or Converter) or getting rid of some of said Queens.

 

That's not to say don't go through with whatever ideas you might have. I'm merely expressing a logical breakdown of the situation to take into consideration when creating characters.

[Edgedancer he/him]

With this whole huge conflict thing, I think we are giving Epic loyalty too much credit. Sure Deathgale, the Metal, Winterspell et.al are "loyal" now, but we know Epics betray each other like its no big thing. It doesn't even need to be a smart betrayal (look at Faultline betraying Steelheart... What???).

Some of them could go to the other side. Maybe Bioterror gets a better offer and takes it. Maybe any one if them decides that they would make a better ruler than Lucentia.

Although, basically as I finished that I remembered Mary has all their blood and they are infected by her. I suppose she can enforce loyalty that way? What if she dies, doesn't that "reset" her blood?

I can tell you for certain that none of my Astoria characters will go turn coat, be it because of loyality or kill switch. Winterspell could I guess, but given that the government knows how to shut him down hard per weakness that wouldn't exactly be smart.

 

She told the story to Lightwards a few pages back. I'm on my phone so I can't post a link at the moment. :/

Yup she did that, although Mary helped her with the operation.

 

Oh, don't worry, Gregory has a plan (aka a fan obsession), and he's going to read out of his philosophy book (aka Mistborn) and come up with some way to defeat the Corvallis Epics (aka copy Kelsier's plans).

But if Naomi was Kelsier them the plan is already over, Kelsier literally had no end game whatsoever and because of that his plan kind of sucked to be honest.

 

One thing to keep in mind is that the epics who are in Corvallis are there by choice.  Most of them can leave at any time.  Well, not any time, they'd still have to wait for scheduled shield-drop days, but they wouldn't have much trouble.  Mostly Rainmaker has just given them a safe place to live with lots of resources, and access to happy slaves.  They don't have reasons to fight against her like the Vanillas do.  Now, of course, there are epics from outside who have reason to destroy her rule, and some may have infiltrated the city (such as Iconoclast and the other attackers), but I don't really see a reason for an epic who has voluntarily chosen to live in Corvallis to risk challenging Rainmaker unless they want the city for themselves. 

Wouldn't taking over the city normally be the goal anyway?

 

I was going to ask you.

 

Anyway, so here's the idea I'm working off of so far. 

 

He's a Newcago transplant, where he was a mechanic, but he left when the tyranny got to be too much. He went with a group of other ex-Newcagoans and made his way to Oregon, where he settled in Corvallis. I don't know if this part will work or not, but I was thinking he works for an Epic who doesn't like the way everyone is so cheery and happy all the time. This Epic's favorite pastime is complaining, and he looks like this: 

 

 

This Newcago transplant rarely visits Euphoria, as this Epic finds other ways of keeping his slaves in line. Captain First World Problems routinely complains to this Newcago transplant, and the transplant snarks back. CFWP occasionally remarks that "much more of that and I'll take you to Euphoria," but he never does, because he secretly enjoys the snarking. His slaves don't rebel, so he doesn't feel the need to bring them to Euphoria. The transplant is working to bring down Rainmaker and the other Queens because he vehemently disagrees with the way she keeps control over the populace—i.e., by turning them all into drug addicts. One of the few things he misses about Newcago is that slaves were at least allowed to be miserable when they wanted to, so this transplant is essentially working to give people their God-given right to misery. 

 

Also, if none of what I just wrote contradicts Corvallis' canon, I think his character icon will be this picture right here: 

 

CFWP doesn't really sound like he deserves his name, if I may say so. I mean he was willing to take people complaining at him afterall.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

CFWP doesn't really sound like he deserves his name, if I may say so. I mean he was willing to take people complaining at him afterall.

He's nowhere near as bad as Lucentia, that's for sure. I only called him Captain First World Problems because his picture is a shot of Weird Al in his "First World Problems" music video.

Edited April 24, 2015 by TwiLyghtSansSparkles

[Blackhoof]

 

I actually disagree with you. There are some major differences between Newcago and Corvallis. The two biggest differences are that 1) ALL vanillas are slaves of some kind in Corvallis, providing a near infinite amount (for practical purposes), but in Newcago they aren't, Epics just have the right to kill any vanilla they see fit. 2) Corvallis weather is always amazing (except when the vanilla population upsets Rainmaker), while Newcago is constantly covered in darkness and the city is all steel. Corvallis is essentially a paradise for Epics. Epics who spend time there would naturally be less likely to revolt due to the nature of them even being in Corvallis (unless they enter with the express purpose of overthrowing the Queens like Iconoclast has).

 

Hmm that is all true, I guess. Although I'm sure most Epics had some vanilla servants, although they wouldn't have been so happy and enthusiastic about work. 

And Corvallis is much nicer than Newcago. 

 

But then, maybe that is just more reason to want to conquer it? 

 

 

On that note, even vanillas are not predisposed to revolt. Well, vanillas from out of town, anyways. One of the original ideas of Corvallis was that even vanillas migrate to the city because they'd rather feel false happiness than live in the crappy world that is ReckonEarth. So the only vanillas that should be revolting are those who have lived in Corvallis all their life, and as such don't know of the horrors of outside the bubble. Otherwise why travel to a town where you know you'll be forced to work, either as a public servant or a private one? It just wouldn't make much sense for any vanillas from out of town to revolt, unless their reasoning is due to the loss of the happiness, but they are far more likely to believe Rainmaker's speech than to just jump to the conclusion that Euphoria is never coming back (particularly when they don't know she's missing).

 

That is also true.

 

 

As for Faultline, I don't think one Epic making a dumb decision to turn against their boss is enough evidence to say all Epics are so power hungry as to ruin a good thing. Instead, I think it just shows how stupid Faultline is. Though I agree there is likely someone in Corvallis wanting to challenge Rainmaker's rule, but they'd likely be detered from the thought of having to take all the Queens, not just one. In addition, an Epic taking over Corvallis would have to know that after defeating Rainmaker they'd lose all the security that the bubble provides, all the beautiful weather that Rainmaker provides, and the happiness drug that provides the slave labor, not to mention the crops that the Queens provide. Though it's true an Epic might be able to convince some of the Queens to swap, it would need to be a pretty strong Epic that can promise a reign of control that Rainmaker has already provided. I just don't see much reason for any of the Queens to turn against Rainmaker, and I don't see any challengers succeeding without being crazy powerful (like Iconoclast or Converter) or getting rid of some of said Queens.

 

That's not to say don't go through with whatever ideas you might have. I'm merely expressing a logical breakdown of the situation to take into consideration when creating characters. 

 

 

 

Why would they know they'd all that? Maybe they would, but they might not think they would.

 

I mean, realistically, say a powerful High Epic with vacuum powers comes in, challenges Rainmaker to a duel, she accepts out of pride, and loses, getting killed. Assume this High Epic doesn't want to do things any differently or kill any other Epic bar those in their way. Would the Queens, in that situation, just all leave? Why? Would they really care that much if a different High Epic just supplants Rainmaker? 

Maybe they would, depends on the characters and players of course, but I certainly think an Epic who doesn't know the Queens and will assume they will willingly follow them if they defeat Rainmaker would potentially try. And heck, if they are powerful enough they could use the old "work for me or I'll kill you" employment offer.

 

In terms of who could beat Rainmaker.... hmmm... another weather manipulator of some sort, maybe? An air manipulator could blow her away when in cloud form, couldn't they? A powerful blast of heat could 'explode' or evaporate her in cloud form, couldn't it? 

Genuine questions, I don't know her PI as well as Comatose, but it seems like if she avoids damage by turning into a cloud and then back, she would be vulnerable in cloud form to things that would affect/destroy "clouds".

 

 

 

I can tell you for certain that none of my Astoria characters will go turn coat, be it because of loyality or kill switch. Winterspell could I guess, but given that the government knows how to shut him down hard per weakness that wouldn't exactly be smart.

 

Fair enough.

 

So it looks like the Astoria Epics are staying together in one bloc, due to loyalty, kill switches, a diamond skeleton and Lucentia's skill in trapping people to her service.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Why would they know they'd all that? Maybe they would, but they might not think they would.

 

I mean, realistically, say a powerful High Epic with vacuum powers comes in, challenges Rainmaker to a duel, she accepts out of pride, and loses, getting killed. Assume this High Epic doesn't want to do things any differently or kill any other Epic bar those in their way. Would the Queens, in that situation, just all leave? Why? Would they really care that much if a different High Epic just supplants Rainmaker? 

Maybe they would, depends on the characters and players of course, but I certainly think an Epic who doesn't know the Queens and will assume they will willingly follow them if they defeat Rainmaker would potentially try. And heck, if they are powerful enough they could use the old "work for me or I'll kill you" employment offer.

 

In terms of who could beat Rainmaker.... hmmm... another weather manipulator of some sort, maybe? An air manipulator could blow her away when in cloud form, couldn't they? A powerful blast of heat could 'explode' or evaporate her in cloud form, couldn't it? 

Genuine questions, I don't know her PI as well as Comatose, but it seems like if she avoids damage by turning into a cloud and then back, she would be vulnerable in cloud form to things that would affect/destroy "clouds".

 

I cannot speak to beating Rainmaker, but as far as the Queen structure goes, I can't imagine some of them not stepping in when Rainmaker begins to lose. Why let a newcomer in when they've been in power longer? For my characters, Buttercup would definitely not be supportive of a new Epic (she'd think one of the Queens should fill Rainmaker's spot), Blossom would likely view the loss of weather manipulation as a deal breaker, and Bubbles would follow her sisters unless the new Epic can provide better protection than the Queen structure has. Obviously the only truly important Queen out of those three is Bubbles, as Buttercup and Blossom provide non-essential benefits. In terms of what the Epics of Corvallis would know, I would think the concept of taking down Rainmaker would imply taking down the Queens as a whole, but then different Epics would likely view the situation differently.

 

 

I do have some questions regarding Converter's powers.

1) She can absorb all types of energy?

2) She can only do so actively? As in she must intentionally trigger the effect.

3) Does she have inherent protection from highly energetic collisions? I understand that the energy absorption implies an immunity to energy itself (such as the heat dissipating from her body), but she punched someone in the face with enough energy to cave their face in, yet her hand suffered no damage.

 

Thanks for the answers!

[Blackhoof]

As an aside, Blaze, i wanted to say i really like what you did with the "powerpuff girls", how dark you made them. I was a tad worried they would be silly, lighthearted and still kids, but you twisted and corrupted them wonderfully haha

I cannot speak to beating Rainmaker, but as far as the Queen structure goes, I can't imagine some of them not stepping in when Rainmaker begins to lose. Why let a newcomer in when they've been in power longer? For my characters, Buttercup would definitely not be supportive of a new Epic (she'd think one of the Queens should fill Rainmaker's spot), Blossom would likely view the loss of weather manipulation as a deal breaker, and Bubbles would follow her sisters unless the new Epic can provide better protection than the Queen structure has. Obviously the only truly important Queen out of those three is Bubbles, as Buttercup and Blossom provide non-essential benefits. In terms of what the Epics of Corvallis would know, I would think the concept of taking down Rainmaker would imply taking down the Queens as a whole, but then different Epics would likely view the situation differently.

well, theoretically they would let a newcomer in if this newcomer was powerful enough to force them to, threatening death if they don't. Although, if Buttercup and/or Blossom are killed in the fight, I doubt Bubbles would ever cooperate with the epic again. An Epic challenger might not know this, however.

But with Chase, Cornucopia and (well, in normal circumstances) Euphoria relatively easy to capture and control, a new High Epic would be able to control the city and maintain the Corvallis structure mostly, with obvious exceptions of weather and forcefields.

this is all hypothetical, anyway, any Epic challenger I potentially make will:

-just want to supplant Rainmaker

-be greedy and power-hungry

-assume all the other Queens will fall in lime when Rainmaker dies

-have an overblown idea of his/her chances of victory

-lose the fight accordingly

I do have some questions regarding Converter's powers.

1) She can absorb all types of energy?

2) She can only do so actively? As in she must intentionally trigger the effect.

3) Does she have inherent protection from highly energetic collisions? I understand that the energy absorption implies an immunity to energy itself (such as the heat dissipating from her body), but she punched someone in the face with enough energy to cave their face in, yet her hand suffered no damage.

Thanks for the answers!

I'm not Silver, but from my understanding with 3), she is transferring kinetic energy directly into the face. Her hand travels normal speed and strength, but the face feels like it has been hit by a truck, and gives way accordingly. Maybe. Otherwise if she was applying it directly to her hand, it would suffer damage one would think.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

As an aside, Blaze, i wanted to say i really like what you did with the "powerpuff girls", how dark you made them. I was a tad worried they would be silly, lighthearted and still kids, but you twisted and corrupted them wonderfully haha

 

Thanks!

 

 

I'm wondering if Chase's body could perhaps get found and have the body her mind is in be knocked unconscious. If she's knocked unconscious while she's in a body and her real body is also unconsious, then her mind is unconsious. She then wakes up in her real body with Iconclast/somebody else. The movement takes long enough that the person holding her captive could kill her before she moves. Then she decides to join them because she realizes that being alligned with the people in charge and important is dangerous. Like I said, Chase is a wimp. What do you guys think?

 

Would such a plan require a lot of knowledge that those characters don't have? Such as the nature of Chase's powers (which I would think would be kept somewhat secret, unless the humans know Chase was controlling them specifically after she releases them), as well as where Chase is hiding out at the time, and who she's currently possessing?

 

I'd also like to point out that, though I do like the idea of constant aliance switching, Iconoclast doesn't really need help. My three Queens are easy to dispose of even without knowing their weaknesses (Buttercup will die if her brain/heart are crushed/pierced/blown up, Blossom has no PI to speak of, and her powers are rather weak, and Bubbles will likely live until her weakness is utilized, but she lacks pretty much any offensive capabilities). That leaves Chase, Cornucopia, and Rainmaker. Though the three of them will be difficult to kill, Iconoclast has the capability of commanding armies, and so long as he leaves a piece of him in a safe place, will never die or age. Worst case scenario, the passage of time will be the downfall of Corvallis, but Iconoclast seems like the kind of guy who will do whatever it takes, because he has nothing to lose. Corvallis's downfall was set in stone the moment Iconoclast decided it would be so.

 

I do, however, feel bad for the vanillas. They're likely doomed to either be canonfodder for Chase, or ghouls for Iconoclast. Which is worse?

[TheSilverDragon he/him]

There is water on the ground in corvallis right now, right?

[Edgedancer he/him]

I'd also like to point out that, though I do like the idea of constant aliance switching, Iconoclast doesn't really need help. My three Queens are easy to dispose of even without knowing their weaknesses (Buttercup will die if her brain/heart are crushed/pierced/blown up, Blossom has no PI to speak of, and her powers are rather weak, and Bubbles will likely live until her weakness is utilized, but she lacks pretty much any offensive capabilities). That leaves Chase, Cornucopia, and Rainmaker. Though the three of them will be difficult to kill, Iconoclast has the capability of commanding armies, and so long as he leaves a piece of him in a safe place, will never die or age. Worst case scenario, the passage of time will be the downfall of Corvallis, but Iconoclast seems like the kind of guy who will do whatever it takes, because he has nothing to lose. Corvallis's downfall was set in stone the moment Iconoclast decided it would be so.

Bubbles PI does cut of her mobility, so a large scale attack with multiple waves of ghoules could trap her in place long enough for her to die of thirst or something similar. Naturally, such a method would leave lots of time for one of her allies come to her aid but it's possible in theory.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Bubbles PI does cut of her mobility, so a large scale attack with multiple waves of ghoules could trap her in place long enough for her to die of thirst or something similar. Naturally, such a method would leave lots of time for one of her allies come to her aid but it's possible in theory.

 

Very good point. She's clever enough, though, that she'd be able to slowly increase her bubble size, by creating new bubbles surrounding old bubbles, that she'd potentially gain access to a house with supplies. That of course depends on where said ghoul army attacks her. It also only extends her life span, and doesn't solve the core problem of a ghoul army trying to kill her, waiting just outside her forcefield. With a large enough bubble though, she can take flight, reach an altitude where they can't reach her (not very high obviously), and then drop the bubble to fly away. Lots of potential solutions. There's also lots of ways to kill her. I made me some fragile Epics

 

 

There is water on the ground in corvallis right now, right?

 

Yes, it has been lightly raining for a long enough time that the ground is no doubt wet. Also, I have a few questions for you:

 

I do have some questions regarding Converter's powers.

1) She can absorb all types of energy?

2) She can only do so actively? As in she must intentionally trigger the effect.

3) Does she have inherent protection from highly energetic collisions? I understand that the energy absorption implies an immunity to energy itself (such as the heat dissipating from her body), but she punched someone in the face with enough energy to cave their face in, yet her hand suffered no damage.

 

Thanks for the answers!

[Edgedancer he/him]

Very good point. She's clever enough, though, that she'd be able to slowly increase her bubble size, by creating new bubbles surrounding old bubbles, that she'd potentially gain access to a house with supplies. That of course depends on where said ghoul army attacks her. It also only extends her life span, and doesn't solve the core problem of a ghoul army trying to kill her, waiting just outside her forcefield. With a large enough bubble though, she can take flight, reach an altitude where they can't reach her (not very high obviously), and then drop the bubble to fly away. Lots of potential solutions. There's also lots of ways to kill her. I made me some fragile Epics

Not sure how viable a strategy that would be. Assuming the ghouls simply press to the force field from all directions, which seems like the way they would act, making a larger field wouldn't really do much except maybe give the ghouls a bit of wiggle room for their fingers, assuming elements caught in the border of the bubbles can't inherently move through them.

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Not sure how viable a strategy that would be. Assuming the ghouls simply press to the force field from all directions, which seems like the way they would act, making a larger field wouldn't really do much except maybe give the ghouls a bit of wiggle room for their fingers, assuming elements caught in the border of the bubbles can't inherently move through them.

 

Correct, just because your hand gets caught inside the bubble does not mean you can move freely through it. It does mean Bubbles can use a knife to cut your hand off, though

[Edgedancer he/him]

Correct, just because your hand gets caught inside the bubble does not mean you can move freely through it. It does mean Bubbles can use a knife to cut your hand off, though

That's vicious.

 

Now, given that Twi kind of got me started on those icons anyway, which one do you guys think fits better for the Metal?