Patrick Star Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) A shardblade is composed of a Spren - the physical manifestation of the cognitive ideas. So a shardblade is just using the power of the mind/ideas to cut things. To destroy a shardblade, you would need something that could literally destroy ideas. A lightsaber is a beam of energy, which is physical only. Therefore, a lightsaber could not damage a shardblade. When we're discussing interacting magic systems, it's not possible to assume that just because it works one way in one area, it works the same as in the other. Brandon already said that shardblades are adapted from lightsabers, as are energy swords in halo and various other weapons. As such, when interacting, it is proper to treat them as equals in these hypothetical situations. Edit: I also forgot that chief's shields actually would NOT stop a shardblade, as an energy sword is enough to cut through them. However, his spartan time more than makes up for that. He's just too quick, even for Szeth. Edited April 10, 2015 by Patrick Star
Edgedancer he/him Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 With Nightblood Szeth tecnically can kill everything, because even if his opponent has somekind of magical protection Nightblood will just eat his opponents magic. The problem would be getting in close to deliver a blow and we have no clue of his capability to do so right now. He could end up with the Skybreaker Surge combo, maybe Nightblood ends up giving him the Dustbringer Surges or that of another Order, both or something completely different. In other words, he's kind of a wild card right now. As for the Lightsaber question. Nightblood wouldn't cut a Lightsaber, he would eat it, no contest. With Shardblades it depends on how much you want to equalize magic, but even then I would say that a Lightsaber shouldn't stop a Shardblade. For the simple reason that the magic stuff in the Star Wars universe is the Force and Lightsabers aren't made out of the Force (unless there's something I missed in the expanded universe) they are just "physics." Storms there's even materials in the Star Wars universe that can resist Lightsabers, like Mandalorian Iron, without any kind of supernatural effect. Now, I got no clue how cutting its spiritual aspect would affect a Lightsaber in practice, so it might just reform/repair itself but I can't see a logical reason for it to actually stop a Shardblade. 1
king of nowhere Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Lightsabers and shardblades would just pass through each other without harm. shardblades are physical manifestations of cognitive ideas, and therefore are not cut by physical means like a shardblade. shardblades are a bunch of plasma in an electromagnetic field, the shardblade can pass through it, but so what? the plasma is still there, the magnetic field is still there, the lightsaber is no more cut that a pool of water would be cut if you run a shardblade in it. As for nightblood, difficult to say. it disintegrates matter in a radius over one meter, possibly based on cognitive connection. so it may be that nightblood passing through a lightsaber would disintegrate the handle, as it is cognitively part of the lightsaber.
natc Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 .......... Oops, I should have known this. Maybe a mentor? also, who's to stop Szeth from lashing himself like 20 times (2400 MPH) to the Good ol' Prime and pointing his sword foreword? (this is completely unrealistic maybe 10 times 1200 MPH if allowed time to reach terminal velocity.) I know this conversation was sort of over, but sudden shifts in acceleration can usually cause serious organ damage, and going too fast will cause him to burn due to air resistance. He can heal, sure, but you know how bad his stormlight efficiency is.
Redbird he/him Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Force imbued swords are a thing, it is the like the Star Wars universe equivalent an invested object. 1
Patrick Star Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Force imbued swords are a thing, it is the like the Star Wars universe equivalent an invested object. Yeah, sort of like enchanted swords from Elder Scrolls and pretty much any other RPG series (where a better enchantment and material = more investment), and like Eragon's special metal sword. I still think that Wobbuffet would be Szeth's most formidable opponent. Even if he does manage to kill it, Destiny Bond will ensure that Szeth dies as well. 1
Ethan the Zinc Compounder he/him Posted April 12, 2015 Author Posted April 12, 2015 Sith with Sith-Sword vs Szeth = 100% pure awesome. (Sith Swords are the Force imbued swords Others on this thread were talking about)
Releaser12 he/him Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I just realized, Nightblood can vaporize walls, and the other surge of a Skybreaker is division.
Ethan the Zinc Compounder he/him Posted April 12, 2015 Author Posted April 12, 2015 Yeah, Its awesome.
natc Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 I just realized, Nightblood can vaporize walls, and the other surge of a Skybreaker is division. Which we don't actually know what it does, do we? Also, Dustbringers. DESTROY!!!
Patrick Star Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Nightblood does not grant surges. He is a splinter of endowment. The surges are of honor. Nightblood's effect is not the surge of division, and he can't grant surges.
natc Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Nightblood does not grant surges. He is a splinter of endowment. The surges are of honor. Nightblood's effect is not the surge of division, and he can't grant surges. There's necromancy going on on the theory section btw. Well, clearly he vaporizes things by default through some non-surge process, and he us predicted to grant sone different sort of power entirely while on Roshar due to realmatic shenanigans.
Ethan the Zinc Compounder he/him Posted April 12, 2015 Author Posted April 12, 2015 At the beginning of WoK it talks about craters in the ground and "The Dustbringers doing there job right" or something to that effect. So we think* that the Division Surge has something to do with destroying and disintegration, also the name Dustbringer sounds similar to what Nightblood does, turning things to dust. My theory is that the Division surge will be a more laid back (For lack of better words) Nightblood power, you infuse the object with stormlight and watch it "burn" 1
Patrick Star Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 At the beginning of WoK it talks about craters in the ground and "The Dustbringers doing there job right" or something to that effect. So we think* that the Division Surge has something to do with destroying and disintegration, also the name Dustbringer sounds similar to what Nightblood does, turning things to dust. My theory is that the Division surge will be a more laid back (For lack of better words) Nightblood power, you infuse the object with stormlight and watch it "burn" The burning is from the Dustbringers' other surge, abrasion, and how it interacts with division. Otherwise, Skybreakers and Edgedancers would be able to set stuff on fire, which they almost certainly could not do.
aeromancer he/him Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Deadpool. *drops mic* I love Marvel and all, but Nightblood kills souls. Even the legendary "merc with a mouth" can't walk that kind of wound off. Why not pick someone like Dark Phoenix, or Magneto? Or a telepath like Professor X?
Ethan the Zinc Compounder he/him Posted April 12, 2015 Author Posted April 12, 2015 The burning is from the Dustbringers' other surge, abrasion, and how it interacts with division. Otherwise, Skybreakers and Edgedancers would be able to set stuff on fire, which they almost certainly could not do. Do you have Prof (such as a Brandon interview)? (Please excuse my Skybreaker-ing) I think that Edgedancers can light things on fire and Skybreakers can explode things, but the combination of the two surges the Dustbringer has gives it an edge over ether group. My reasoning: Edgedancers lighting things on fire: We all know the Fire triangle right? So as long as there is 1.Oxygen, (If we don't have this we have a bigger problem then not lighting things on fire) 2. Fuel and 3. Heat we have fire. So an Edgedancer sliding on wood can suddenly turn up the Friction and set the wood on fire because other then the friction (Created by the Abrasion surge) this can all be done without investiture. Skybreakers Blowing stuff up: I think the Division surge means Dividing a atom, also known as splitting and atom. (if you don't get it by now...Booooooooom) this may be posable on a smaller level then what I'm referring to Im not sure. But if I'm right... Mahahhahahha
Patrick Star Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 In the future, please refrain from quadruple posting. Use the edit button instead. And until we see an edgedancer or skybreaker going, I'm not making any assumptions about how their surges work. And if edgedancers could light rocks on fire, I think that Nalan would have mentioned that to Lift. They may be able to start a campfire with, you know, wood, but not anything close to what the dustbringers could do.
Ethan the Zinc Compounder he/him Posted April 13, 2015 Author Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) That told me it didn't post at all. Sorry! I just hid all but one post. Did they say in the book Dustbringers literally set things on fire? I used it as an expression. Edited April 13, 2015 by Ethan the Zinc Compounder
Ethan the Zinc Compounder he/him Posted April 13, 2015 Author Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Ha! I found this in the amazon preview! (I like audiobooks and its a pain to download every time I need to look something up) the book says: "Smoke curled from the occasional patches of growth or heaps of burning corpses. Even some sections of rock smoldered. The Dustbringers had done there work well." Interesting. as it seems I have been thinking the Division Surge blew things up this hole time. I think you were right Patrick Star, But what the heck does the Skybreakers other surge do? Edited April 13, 2015 by Ethan the Zinc Compounder
Patrick Star Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Did they say in the book Dustbringers literally set things on fire? I used it as an expression. From the Way of Kings prologue - "Smoke curled from the occasional patches of growth or heaps of burning corpses. Even some sections of rock smoldered." So yeah, they can set stuff on fire, even rocks.
natc Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Ha! I found this in the amazon preview! (I like audiobooks and its a pain to download every time I need to look something up) the book says: "Smoke curled from the occasional patches of growth or heaps of burning corpses. Even some sections of rock smoldered. The Dustbringers had done there work well." Interesting. as it seems I have been thinking the Division Surge blew things up this hole time. I think you were right Patrick Star, But what the heck does the Skybreakers other surge do? Skybreakers have gravitation and division. So they can suck projectiles and small objects towards another object or make things fall in the wrong direction, like Kaladin, but can't stick things together like him, which only windrunners and bondsmiths have. Their division surge does whatever it is it does in dustbringers, which is what we are discussing here in this off-topic tangent about a sword that possesses no surges in the first place. Are we crazy or what? :3 Since dustbringers are the first thought when it comes to burning stone, it is more likely to be a trick based on surge interaction than it is a technique of any individual surge, or else skybreakers or edgedancers would be doing it too and Kalak would not look at the burn marks and just assume "oh, dustbringers have been here". 2
Ethan the Zinc Compounder he/him Posted April 13, 2015 Author Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) It is also posable that the Skybreakers were in another part of the battlefield and Kalak knew that. This is not what I think (Now). back to tactics, if I was the lead Tactician of the Knights Radiant I would have the Skybreakers be a reserve force and my eyes and ears on the battlefield, (Yes this is now disproving the first part of my post but whatever) The Skybreakers can fly so I would have them fly above the field and drop if there is an area that needs more troops. Dustbringers need no tactics, they are like an iPhone that way, simple yet powerful (IMO) So now lets make a new thread discussing tactics for the Knights Radiant. Nact, (or anyone with more experience on this site then me) do you think we need to make a new thread to discuss this? Edited April 13, 2015 by Ethan the Zinc Compounder
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