Question 9

[Kobold King he/him]

Wow. You know, I think Epic!Vondra and Oklahoma! would actually get along pretty well. Together, they could spend long hours cursing Calamity for handing out the most utterly useless powers in existence.

 

Metronome can help keep track of those long hours, while Backtrack can sob about how even with useless powers Vondra's more badchull than he is.

[Voidus]

Metronome can help keep track of those long hours, while Backtrack can sob about how even with useless powers Vondra's more badchull than he is.

I don't think Backtrack's on his own in that though.

Picture, say Obliteration or Newton at super-speed with sword drawn, veritable unkillable ninjas of Epics and clearly some of the most badchull Epics of all time. Picturing it?

Good.

Now picture Vondra, and if he isn't jumping out of a helicopter with no parachute onto a flying bear and strangling it to use to cushion his fall then you're picturing it wrong.

That's right, even completely powerless he's still more of a badchull than the most badchull of Epics.

[Comatose he/him]

At least mark the RAFO, yes.

So many details. On Euphoria's weakness

We really have no indication that the Epics mindset even can play into a weakness like that. In fact in cases like Newton it didn't matter that the compliments or at least David's weren't genuine at all. So requiring a specific mindset from hers to trigger seems off, even if the fear itself is legit.

 

 

I thought Fortuity's weakness was just being attracted to someone, which would be a mental state, but I guess I was just trusting Megan with that one, and she could be wrong. 

 

Euphoria Weakness Spoilers:

So what about this.  Her weakness is not wearing her glasses, or wearing things like make-up, having her hair down, wearing evening gowns, etc (all external things), and which items or lack of items trigger her weakness depend on how she perceives herself with/without them.  The insecurities or lack of comfort are the reason FOR the weakness, not the weakness itself.  Classifying things would also help you find things to weaken her.  If you ask yourself, "Would Euphoria be uncomfortable with how conventionally beautiful this alteration to her appearance looks?" then you probably have found another thing that can weaken her.  I could be set and frozen, depending on her mental state at the time of Calamity, rather than her present mental state, to avoid mental gymnastics.  So under this model, a combination of all of those things I listed would neutralize her powers, or one of two of them in combination could weaken them.  I like the idea of it being about people seeing her as conventionally beautiful (similar to Steelheart's weakness), but I worry that since perception of beauty is so subjective, this could make her much less effective.

 

Oooo, what about this!  Her powers won't work on someone who is romantically attracted to her (not just physically).  Like Steelheart's weakness, this one is selective (we don't see many of those) where it can be triggered by one person to bypass an Epics powers, but to everyone else they remain in place.

 

 

Actually, it would be more Iconoclast's MO to infiltrate the city, posing just as an Epic with the ability to alter his body and regenerate (I'm thinking that I will expand the body alteration to cover making him look like a completely different person. Not precise enough to really mimic someone, but enough to be unrecognisable from his previous self). Then once he is inside, start plotting how he can best take down the city. His plans usually involve copious amounts of Ghouls. He wouldn't besiege a city from the outside, as he doesn't bring many Ghouls with him when he travels (often none). 

 

I am starting to picture him as Heath Ledger's Joker, but with cannibal servants and really hard to kill. Appearing, disappearing, causing wanton havoc and destruction. Taunting victims, ranting madly. That sort of thing.

 

Maybe he positions himself near Bubbles and turns some people into Ghouls, causing them to threaten her and thus bring down the shield?

 

and perhaps he made a deal with the Epic who attacks Euphoria? Iconoclast goes for Bubbles, the other goes for Euphoria?

 

I think I would prefer to have the attack on Euphoria be independent of any player characters for now.  It will give me more freedom to craft my opening post, and I don't have much time for collaboration at the moment. 

 

So, the attack begins at a welcoming ceremony where Rainmaker welcomes new citizens, and it is set one week before the start of the RP (Euphoria's disappearance).  What if, Iconoclast, posting as a flesh manipulation epic, was among one of the immigrants.  He sees the attack, and how Rainmaker and team respond.  Then, he has a week to start recruiting minions and plotting the destruction of the city before his first post.  Would that work?

[Edgedancer he/him]

I would like to point out that it's been a little over a week and we've already half-filled this thread with our patented blend of ponies, planning and insanity. I would like to say...

You guys are awesome.

We know.

 

 

I thought Fortuity's weakness was just being attracted to someone, which would be a mental state, but I guess I was just trusting Megan with that one, and she could be wrong. 

 

Euphoria Weakness Spoilers:

So what about this.  Her weakness is not wearing her glasses, or wearing things like make-up, having her hair down, wearing evening gowns, etc (all external things), and which items or lack of items trigger her weakness depend on how she perceives herself with/without them.  The insecurities or lack of comfort are the reason FOR the weakness, not the weakness itself.  Classifying things would also help you find things to weaken her.  If you ask yourself, "Would Euphoria be uncomfortable with how conventionally beautiful this alteration to her appearance looks?" then you probably have found another thing that can weaken her.  I could be set and frozen, depending on her mental state at the time of Calamity, rather than her present mental state, to avoid mental gymnastics.  So under this model, a combination of all of those things I listed would neutralize her powers, or one of two of them in combination could weaken them.  I like the idea of it being about people seeing her as conventionally beautiful (similar to Steelheart's weakness), but I worry that since perception of beauty is so subjective, this could make her much less effective.

 

Oooo, what about this!  Her powers won't work on someone who is romantically attracted to her (not just physically).  Like Steelheart's weakness, this one is selective (we don't see many of those) where it can be triggered by one person to bypass an Epics powers, but to everyone else they remain in place.

 

 

 

I think I would prefer to have the attack on Euphoria be independent of any player characters for now.  It will give me more freedom to craft my opening post, and I don't have much time for collaboration at the moment. 

 

So, the attack begins at a welcoming ceremony where Rainmaker welcomes new citizens, and it is set one week before the start of the RP (Euphoria's disappearance).  What if, Iconoclast, posting as a flesh manipulation epic, was among one of the immigrants.  He sees the attack, and how Rainmaker and team respond.  Then, he has a week to start recruiting minions and plotting the destruction of the city before his first post.  Would that work?

I'll be honest, the end of that first paragraph left me so confused I can only guess but I think that solution would keep the two core problems that I had with the weakness and simply made it more convoluted.

 

The romantic thing could work as a weakness but unless there's a story behind it, which there might be, insecurities -> romance seems like a bit of a stretch.

 

On other news, I narrowed down Kenshin to the immigrant category.

 

"I mean, I need to find him, so that he can um... help me." She stuttered out, cheeks aflame.

Is this the point were we let Backtrack come out from behind Baxter's back and they blush?

[Kobold King he/him]

Is this the point were we let Backtrack come out from behind Baxter's back and they blush?

 

Backtrack never could resist a damsel in distress.

[Comatose he/him]

We know.

 

I'll be honest, the end of that first paragraph left me so confused I can only guess but I think that solution would keep the two core problems that I had with the weakness and simply made it more convoluted.

 

The romantic thing could work as a weakness but unless there's a story behind it, which there might be, insecurities -> romance seems like a bit of a stretch.

 

On other news, I narrowed down Kenshin to the immigrant category.

Is this the point were we let Backtrack come out from behind Baxter's back and they blush?

 

That's fair. I didn't feel like I was doing a good job of explaining myself. I think I will go with the second option. Regarding the root, Euphoria is insecure about others being romantically attracted to her. She has never seen herself as the kind of girl to get into a relationship, and doesn't really believe she is capable of loving commitment. She feels like she will end up disappointing anyone who is attracted to her romantically. This insecurity affects how she presents herself, which is why I originally decided on the "looking beautiful" weakness. She dresses professionally and acts cold and professional because that is an identity she is comfortable with, much more comfortable than she is with her identity as a potentially romantic being.  Being perceived as conventionally beautiful makes her feel vulnerable, and like she is encouraging people to find her attractive, something she feels guilty about.  I think the romantic interest weakness works better with the core of her insecurities (look at you guys, forcing me to dig down deep and discover what my character is all about!). That will make things less convoluted I think, and will be more simple than trying to make the other weakness work.

 

Yay Kenshin!  Excited to have her there!

[Edgedancer he/him]

That's fair. I didn't feel like I was doing a good job of explaining myself. I think I will go with the second option. Regarding the root, Euphoria is insecure about others being romantically attracted to her. She has never seen herself as the kind of girl to get into a relationship, and doesn't really believe she is capable of loving commitment. She feels like she will end up disappointing anyone who is attracted to her romantically. This insecurity affects how she presents herself, which is why I originally decided on the "looking beautiful" weakness. She dresses professionally and acts cold and professional because that is an identity she is comfortable with, much more comfortable than she is with her identity as a potentially romantic being.  I think the romantic interest weakness works better with the core of her insecurities (look at you guys, forcing me to dig down deep and discover what my character is all about!). That will make things less convoluted I think, and will be more simple than trying to make the other weakness work.

 

Yay Kenshin!  Excited to have her there!

That works perfectly then.

 

Just waiting for the moment everything comes crashing down on me. At least I have this set as a priority.  

Edited April 8, 2015 by Edgedancer

[Comatose he/him]

There was another question or comment about Corvallis that I keep forgetting to reply to, and I just forgot what it was.  If anyone has a question or concern they feel I have left unanswered, please let me know, in case I don't remember.

 

Also, here's an amusing thought.  What if Rainmaker heard about Backtrack somehow?  With Euphoria missing, he would be just the guy to find her.  I know he's busy tracking down Springfield at the moment, but if there is room in the plot later on, Rainmaker could send someone to 'retrieve' him so that he could track down Euphoria.

 

*Whistles innocently and hopes others don't notice the blatant attempt to get Kobold involved with the Corvallis RP, or that Backtrack's involvement will provide a fun excuse to write cool flashback scenes...

 

 

EDIT:  I REMEMBERED WHAT IT WAS!  On the subject of Cornucopia growing motivators, I think I agree with what everyone else is saying.  She could duplicate the tech bits of the epic-tech, but not the epic parts.  Being able to essentially grow epic powers on trees would make her much more dangerous and world-breaky. 

[Kobold King he/him]

There was another question or comment about Corvallis that I keep forgetting to reply to, and I just forgot what it was.  If anyone has a question or concern they feel I have left unanswered, please let me know, in case I don't remember.

 

Also, here's an amusing thought.  What if Rainmaker heard about Backtrack somehow?  With Euphoria missing, he would be just the guy to find her.  I know he's busy tracking down Springfield at the moment, but if there is room in the plot later on, Rainmaker could send someone to 'retrieve' him so that he could track down Euphoria.

 

*Whistles innocently and hopes others don't notice the blatant attempt to get Kobold involved with the Corvallis RP, or that Backtrack's involvement will provide a fun excuse to write cool flashback scenes...

 

I don't have any plans for Backtrack for after the destruction of Portland, so anything's possible.

[Edgedancer he/him]

I don't have any plans for Backtrack for after the destruction of Portland, so anything's possible.

The proof  that Backtrack's power is wasted on him. Practically everyone wants him, even the ones that don't exist yet.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

It occurred to me today that Oregon characters share a lot of unique problems, the sort that, if someone in our world started a support group for that problem, maybe one person would show up. But in Oregon, this is not the case. For instance, we have....

People with Self-Proclaimed Partners Who Could Kill You With a Thought (Nathan and Autumn)

I'm Not Sure "Friendship" Is What We Have Here (Sam, Revolution, arguably everyone in the Empire)

Coping with Frenemies in Non-Murderous Ways (Altermind, Lightwards)

Any ofher unusual support groups that would fill up fast in Oregon?

[Kobold King he/him]

It occurred to me today that Oregon characters share a lot of unique problems, the sort that, if someone in our world started a support group for that problem, maybe one person would show up. But in Oregon, this is not the case. For instance, we have....

People with Self-Proclaimed Partners Who Could Kill You With a Thought (Nathan and Autumn)

I'm Not Sure "Friendship" Is What We Have Here (Sam, Revolution, arguably everyone in the Empire)

Coping with Frenemies in Non-Murderous Ways (Altermind, Lightwards)

Any ofher unusual support groups that would fill up fast in Oregon?

 

Society for Supporting Mentally Troubled Resurrectors (Lightwards, the Financier, Paladin.)

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Society for Supporting Mentally Troubled Resurrectors (Lightwards, the Financier, Paladin.)

If the Cops Don't Exist Anymore, Tell Me How to Kill that Guy (anyone who has ever met Nighthound, except Lucentia and Red)

[Blackhoof]

So Euphorias powers are negated completely if someone who likes her kisses her or something? Or hugs her/gets close?

 

I think I would prefer to have the attack on Euphoria be independent of any player characters for now.  It will give me more freedom to craft my opening post, and I don't have much time for collaboration at the moment. 

 

So, the attack begins at a welcoming ceremony where Rainmaker welcomes new citizens, and it is set one week before the start of the RP (Euphoria's disappearance).  What if, Iconoclast, posting as a flesh manipulation epic, was among one of the immigrants.  He sees the attack, and how Rainmaker and team respond.  Then, he has a week to start recruiting minions and plotting the destruction of the city before his first post.  Would that work?

that works perfectly

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

At 12% progress in Way of Kings, I conclude that Funtimes' power is like Soulcasting on steroids.

And she uses it to turn bullets into jellybeans and leaves into pancakes.

I have the distinct feeling many on Roshar would declare her a heretic.

[Kobold King he/him]

At 12% progress in Way of Kings, I conclude that Funtimes' power is like Soulcasting on steroids.

And she uses it to turn bullets into jellybeans and leaves into pancakes.

I have the distinct feeling many on Roshar would declare her a heretic.

 

Soulcaster!Funtimes is almost as cool as Mistborn!Funtimes.

 

...Though neither of them are quite as awesome as Awakener!Funtimes.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Soulcaster!Funtimes is almost as cool as Mistborn!Funtimes.

...Though neither of them are quite as awesome as Awakener!Funtimes.

Who needs an army of Lifeless when you have an army of Awakened teddy bears?

[Kobold King he/him]

Who needs an army of Lifeless when you have an army of Awakened teddy bears?

 

That is somehow ridiculous, laughable, and utterly terrifying at the same time.

[TheSilverDragon he/him]

Who needs an army of Lifeless when you have an army of Awakened teddy bears?

Now I'm scared to go onto my little sister's room.

[Comatose he/him]

So Euphorias powers are negated completely if someone who likes her kisses her or something? Or hugs her/gets close?


that works perfectly

 

It's not about the physical act, it's about the mindset.  If someone is in love with her, Euphoria's powers will not work on that person.   It's like with Steelheart, whose powers would not work against someone who did not fear them, but the weakness did not require any physical action to trigger.  It was all based on mindset.

 

One final down, three to go (plus an essay!) 

 

Now the all important question.  What happens if Funtimes meets stick? (Sorry about the WoR reference for those who aren't there yet).

[Kobold King he/him]

Now the all important question.  What happens if Funtimes meets stick? (Sorry about the WoR reference for those who aren't there yet).

 

An unstoppable force of fun would meet an unmovable object of stickiness. It's impossible to predict the outcome.

[Blackhoof]

@Comatose: ah, fair enough, i understand.

[Voidus]

Society for Supporting Mentally Troubled Resurrectors (Lightwards, the Financier, Paladin.)

PP and the Adventurer too.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

PP and the Adventurer too.

The Manic Yandere Society of Greater Oregon (Saccharine, Funtimes, Shiny Sparkle)

Edited April 9, 2015 by TwiLyghtSansSparkles

[Edgedancer he/him]

At 12% progress in Way of Kings, I conclude that Funtimes' power is like Soulcasting on steroids.

And she uses it to turn bullets into jellybeans and leaves into pancakes.

I have the distinct feeling many on Roshar would declare her a heretic.

Funtimes = Elsecaller... which would make her...[DATA REDUCTED]

 

 

It's not about the physical act, it's about the mindset.  If someone is in love with her, Euphoria's powers will not work on that person.   It's like with Steelheart, whose powers would not work against someone who did not fear them, but the weakness did not require any physical action to trigger.  It was all based on mindset.

 

One final down, three to go (plus an essay!) 

 

Now the all important question.  What happens if Funtimes meets stick? (Sorry about the WoR reference for those who aren't there yet).

Funtimes would stick it to him.

 

The Manic Yandere Society of Greater Oregon (Saccharine, Funtimes, Shiny Sparkle)

The Life is so unfair to me society (Not really a group but a trap specifically made for trapping Lucentia and her ilk.)