natc Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Observer, I think that you are discounting other ways luck could come into play. For instance, if an assassin had any kind of weakness at all, it would become a problem at just the right time for the Chromium compounder to survive. Defense from the inside, as it were. The assassin has asthma which is hardly ever a problem, which they haven't experienced in years? Guess when the next asthma attack is coming. Knowing it's coming won't help, either, not a few seconds in advance. Can't dodge something on the inside. Compounding chromium could essentially just gives you extremely contrived plot armor, yeah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Don't blame me. All compounding is OP. That's just how luck would manifest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I'm not blaming you. Just summarizing the results. Plot Armor, the Ability. The universe continuously engineers ridiculously contrived situations to turn everything to your favor. You'll be great at poker, literally have a monopoly in Monopoly, win lotteries. Floors will break underneath assassins, or bird poop hits them in the face as you escape. Bullets always miss you, you'll dodge all land mines. It'll just be too stupid to write into a story 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconis Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 There is something I've always wondered with tapping luck. If it was your intent to win the lottery, would you: a) Tap luck when choosing the numbers? b)Tap luck and let the computer choose them? c)Tap luck when you physically purchase the ticket? d)Tap luck when the numbers are being drawn? Just curious as to everyone's thoughts about how it would work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Tapping luck when choosing is the easiest and fastest route, but if somebody already took the winning number, you can't win anymore this way. Tapping luck when the computer chooses them would probably require you to set off a butterfly effect, so it would take more luck. Tapping while buying the ticket is almost the same thing as picking the numbers Tapping when the numbers are drawn seems the hardest, requiring monumental luck to make somebody else grab your combo exactly instead of you just happening to think it up on a whim. /Pushy Headcanon Start yourself a country and personally recruit people to join it and its army so that nothing can go wrong. Once it grows too large, just personally construct the ads for the same effect. Personally guess where all your enemies are hiding their soldiers in a war, assume the exact amount of resources you'll need to run anything so as not to waste anything, and oversee all groundbreaking research so that your random "accidents" can somehow inspire the invention of the FTL drive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 narc, it's only stupid if it's the protagonists with the ability. Miles' healing was pretty absurd, too, if you ask me. I never once considered this a story problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 narc, it's only stupid if it's the protagonists with the ability. Miles' healing was pretty absurd, too, if you ask me. I never once considered this a story problem. Plenty of ways to defeat an invincible guy. Even atium can be brought down with the right setup. Not so much plot armor incarnate. With constant infinite luck just setting up against him can backfire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 There's actually a thread about how one could kill a Chromium compounder. It's just like normal compounding, you have to shake up the rules a little the beat them since brute force will always lose their own powers. It can happen, you just need to be clever. Have lucid dreams every single night by tapping luck as you nod off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattemer Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 think about how much you want to read the rest of the cosmere books right now and type something random into the dropbox username and password. it will be brandon's. win. play sanderson elimination. your character wil be a feruchemist mistborn. everyone will kill each other to be on your team. basically chomium is the best compounding ever because nothing can kill you until everything will kill you. kinda like a checkmate, but impossible to set up because you will be so lucky that something random will stop it. you're about to die... immmortality technology!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eilemelie Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Burn when going in for a surgery - no complications. Burn when ill and get well faster than you normaly would. Burn whenever you are being exposed to people who might be ill, never get ill at all. Burn when you are looking for something and it will be in the next place you look. Burning while taking a test might be considered cheating... so situations like that will probably involve a metal detector once the tecnology is at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattemer Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Also, referring to the burn and close your eyes and pick up something- will be lerasium- people said that wouldn't work, but I would say that it would be a natrually generated thing that had the exact same characteristics as lerasium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Also, referring to the burn and close your eyes and pick up something- will be lerasium- people said that wouldn't work, but I would say that it would be a natrually generated thing that had the exact same characteristics as lerasium. Which shouldn't exist. Nothing on Scadrial should have the same soul-snapping properties of a lump of pure Preservation, because even that is just a side effect of what it actually does and is in part due to the intent of the power. Atium doesn't do that on continuous burn, so even something like Adonalsium-metal should do something completely different. It pretty much has to be made of Preservation to cause the Mistborn aftereffects, which by definition would mean it is lerasium. 0% probability multiplied by infinite luck is still 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 One of my players in an AOL game is an electrum/Chromium twinborn. I have yet to find anything other then a Chromium compounder that can do anything to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattemer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 electrum as allomancy or feruchemy? Well, that may be so, but it's not actually 0%. Also, conceivably compounding chromium would eventually make you Adonalsium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 electrum as allomancy or feruchemy? Well, that may be so, but it's not actually 0%. Also, conceivably compounding chromium would eventually make you Adonalsium. Again, it's apparently the forcibly amplified connection to Preservation that causes the mistborn effect, so lerasium properties only exist because of what it's made from cognitively/spiritually speaking. Natural matter that hypothetically can do the same thing as lerasium would need to be made of Preservation to work anyway. Which would make it actual lerasium, natural or otherwise. Which isn't natural matter. How on earth would compounding anything result in Ascending into anything other than Preservation and Ruin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattemer Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 because with it, if there is theslightest chance of something happening that will benefit you, it will happen and since we have WoB that one person holding all the shards is basically adonalsium, and since that would be goo for you, you will become adonalsium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'm not entirely sure if all of preservation is enough to churn out enough luck to pretty much kill the entire cosmere and secure a complete adonalsium for you man. If it was Odium should've thought of that ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 I'm not entirely sure if all of preservation is enough to churn out enough luck to pretty much kill the entire cosmere and secure a complete adonalsium for you man. If it was Odium should've thought of that ages ago. Plus the amount of Chromium you'd need to swallow would kill you, you'd need to be compounding your luck by 10^100 for something that improbable to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Plus the amount of Chromium you'd need to swallow would kill you, you'd need to be compounding your luck by 10^100 for something that improbable to happen. Well, you can have someone nicroburst you continuously to minimize the amount of time the chromium remains in your system. Possibly a leecher every few dozen cycles for a clean wipe just in case. The metal vanishes from your stomach when burned, so you should mostly be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Well, you can have someone nicroburst you continuously to minimize the amount of time the chromium remains in your system. Possibly a leecher every few dozen cycles for a clean wipe just in case. The metal vanishes from your stomach when burned, so you should mostly be fine. In these cases, the supply of the other metals becomes the problem. It's still the same problem, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 No, the problem I was replying to is metallic poisoning, which can be avoided if you burn fast enough for the most part. Most allomancers seem fine for years even when downing vials regularly so it's probably fast enough on a normal burn for flakes. Whole chunks for compounding might need some nicrobursting to be safe. Where you'll even get that much chromium is a complete different problem that can't be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostrichofevil Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 No, the problem I was replying to is metallic poisoning, which can be avoided if you burn fast enough for the most part. Most allomancers seem fine for years even when downing vials regularly so it's probably fast enough on a normal burn for flakes. Whole chunks for compounding might need some nicrobursting to be safe. Where you'll even get that much chromium is a complete different problem that can't be solved. It can be solved if Preservation lets you burn the mists… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 It can be solved if Preservation lets you burn the mists… I doubt you can use mist as a chromiummind, but meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I doubt you can use mist as a chromiummind, but meh. The whole point of compounding is that your filtering the usual power you get with your own allomany using feruchemical charges stored in the metal. That means that the mist can provide those charges in the first place. It just has to receive the right "Request" for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ostrichofevil Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 The thing, though, is that obviously the amount of power that you compound can't exceed Preservation's power.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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