Saskshard Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Hi there. Long time lurker, first time poster. Is there any concerns with a possible future showdown between Kaladin and Szeth where Nightblood consumes Investiture? Could Syl be at risk? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Hi there, welcome to the forums! I tagged your post as Warbreaker spoilers. You should try to mention when you're talking about non-SA books in the SA board. As to the idea of Syl being at risk: I definitely think Nightblood could eat and harm any Shardblade. We know Nightblood is much stronger than a Shardblade (or, well, more Invested). I don't think Szeth and Kaladin are going to have another showdown, since there's no real reason for Kaladin to harm Szeth if Szeth's not assassinating everybody, but I expect any spren who get into combat with Szeth will regret it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 But wouldn't Szeth need to draw nightblood for it to consume a shardblade? If he did, Night blood would just drain him, instead. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 But wouldn't Szeth need to draw nightblood for it to consume a shardblade? If he did, Night blood would just drain him, instead. Right? Right. But it's possible you could strap some gemstones to Nightblood's hilt and prevent that, or Szeth could find a way to take in Stormlight to power Nightblood. (Hello, highspren bond?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Right. But it's possible you could strap some gemstones to Nightblood's hilt and prevent that, or Szeth could find a way to take in Stormlight to power Nightblood. (Hello, highspren bond?) If Szeth bonded a highspren, he wouldn't be able to attack Kaladin anyways. Or kill the Stone Shamans, for that matter. I'm thinking that Stormlight 3 will have Szeth bond a highspren, and then choose between letting the Stone Shamans live or blindly following Nalan. That would be a nice turn of events, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 If Szeth bonded a highspren, he wouldn't be able to attack Kaladin anyways. Or kill the Stone Shamans, for that matter. I'm thinking that Stormlight 3 will have Szeth bond a highspren, and then choose between letting the Stone Shamans live or blindly following Nalan. That would be a nice turn of events, I think. The Stone Shamans wrongfully made Szeth Truthless. I imagine that breaks a law somewhere. I could see Szeth showing mercy, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies he/him Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'd say it breaks there own laws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Right. But it's possible you could strap some gemstones to Nightblood's hilt and prevent that, or Szeth could find a way to take in Stormlight to power Nightblood. (Hello, highspren bond?) If Szeth bonded a highspren, he wouldn't be able to attack Kaladin anyways. Or kill the Stone Shamans, for that matter. I'm thinking that Stormlight 3 will have Szeth bond a highspren, and then choose between letting the Stone Shamans live or blindly following Nalan. That would be a nice turn of events, I think. I wouldn't be surprised if the Skybreakers provoke Kaladin by going after his father - who did, after all, steal those gems. I don't think they're above using the law to manipulate their actual targets into breaking the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksiel Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Lirin isn't a surgebinder, so there's no reason for Nale's Skybreakers to attack him and I don't see why they'd want to provoke Kaladin. They wanted to prevent Desolation and failed. Time to change strategy, I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 This new quoting system is messing with me big time. Anyways, it would only matter if it broke a law in Shinovar, which is the key. I mean, the Stone Shamans (I was going to say SS, but that might be the worst thought out acronym of all time, so I'll just call them Stoners from now on) could conceivably change the law, anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsier Kenobi Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 While I think Nightblood will be different from/stronger than the average Shard Blade, I don't think he's going to be THAT much more powerful. If he was why would Nalan give it up and not just use it himself? Unless his Honor Blade prevents that somehow. We know Nightblood consumes investiture, but wouldn't that just be Stormlight, not necessarily the Spren? If Szeth is going to be a Skybreaker he's going to need to bond a Spren to gain their abilities. Nightblood consuming that Spren would seem counter productive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) This new quoting system is messing with me big time. Anyways, it would only matter if it broke a law in Shinovar, which is the key. I mean, the Stone Shamans (I was going to say SS, but that might be the worst thought out acronym of all time, so I'll just call them Stoners from now on) could conceivably change the law, anyways. I asked Chaos to change the quoting system so WoBs would be preserved in quotes. It has some definite disadvantages with gigantic quote trains, and I apologize for that. It was more of an experimental request by me to Chaos. If you really find it irritating in a few days, definitely PM me and let me know and I'll ask Chaos to change it back or else I'll add a way to limit nesting to 2 quotes. As to the SS and laws: I'm not sure a Skybreaker could be convinced to follow laws that change at the whims of leaders. I imagine there's some provisions about not following unjust laws or something somewhere, though we know too little to say for sure. Edited February 10, 2015 by Moogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkum he/him Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 As to the SS and laws: I'm not sure a Skybreaker could be convinced to follow laws that change at the whims of leaders. I imagine there's some provisions about not following unjust laws or something somewhere, though we know too little to say for sure.Well, bear in mind that Nalan gave up (well temporarily anyway) when Lift was pardoned. not quite the same thing, but related. That said, one could argue (if one were a skybreaker) that no matter the law now, if something was illegal at the time it happened, then it deserves punishment, so even changing laws would only be protection if they were changed prior to the action 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I asked Chaos to change the quoting system so WoBs would be preserved in quotes. It has some definite disadvantages with gigantic quote trains, and I apologize for that. It was more of an experimental request by me to Chaos. If you really find it irritating in a few days, definitely PM me and let me know and I'll ask Chaos to change it back or else I'll add a way to limit nesting to 2 quotes. As to the SS and laws: I'm not sure a Skybreaker could be convinced to follow laws that change at the whims of leaders. I imagine there's some provisions about not following unjust laws or something somewhere, though we know too little to say for sure. It's more that I can't break up the quote train. When I try, I do what I did before and it all goes blank. I tried deleting the text in the inner quote, so hopefully that works. Maybe add a "quote all" button that will do what the altered quote button does now? Anyways, there could definitely be a provision in there, but given what we've seen, I doubt it. I like Dunkum's idea on that. Edit: Yeah, even though I deleted the text, the original quote is still there, and I can't delete it. Edited February 10, 2015 by Patrick Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkum he/him Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 It's more that I can't break up the quote train. When I try, I do what I did before and it all goes blank. I tried deleting the text in the inner quote, so hopefully that works. Maybe add a "quote all" button that will do what the altered quote button does now? Anyways, there could definitely be a provision in there, but given what we've seen, I doubt it. I like Dunkum's idea on that. Edit: Yeah, even though I deleted the text, the original quote is still there, and I can't delete it. If you switch the posting box to the generic text editor version that shows you all the tags, it is easy to remove the inside quote tags and keep the outer ones, but it is a bit of a pain to do that every time you have a quote within a quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) It's more that I can't break up the quote train. When I try, I do what I did before and it all goes blank. I tried deleting the text in the inner quote, so hopefully that works. Maybe add a "quote all" button that will do what the altered quote button does now? Good suggestion. I'm not having the same problem you are, though - I can highlight the entire quote box and just delete it. Try dragging from below the quote box up past the "So and so said" bit. What browser are you on? I don't really agree on Dunkum's idea. Being pardoned is a lawful thing, so if nothing else Taravangian can just paradon himself for every guy he's bled. Just because something was illegal at the time does not mean it will be in the future, and I really do think Skybreakers would respect the law pardoning people. But this is such murky ground when we have so little to go on except Nalan, who may or may not be a bit cracked. Edited February 10, 2015 by Moogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Good suggestion. I'm not having the same problem you are, though - I can highlight the entire quote box and just delete it. Try dragging from below the quote box up past the "So and so said" bit. What browser are you on? I don't really agree on Dunkum's idea. Being pardoned is a lawful thing, so if nothing else Taravangian can just paradon himself for every guy he's bled. Just because something was illegal at the time does not mean it will be in the future, and I really do think Skybreakers would respect the law pardoning people. But this is such murky ground when we have so little to go on except Nalan, who may or may not be a bit cracked. Ah, got it. I'm using Chrome Beta, so that could be causing the hangup. And you're definitely right on the pardoning aspect, but does it cover a ruler pardoning themselves? Or hiring a hitman and then pardoning the hitman (kind of like what Richard Nixon did. That guy was a looney). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkum he/him Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Good suggestion. I'm not having the same problem you are, though - I can highlight the entire quote box and just delete it. Try dragging from below the quote box up past the "So and so said" bit. What browser are you on? I don't really agree on Dunkum's idea. Being pardoned is a lawful thing, so if nothing else Taravangian can just paradon himself for every guy he's bled. Just because something was illegal at the time does not mean it will be in the future, and I really do think Skybreakers would respect the law pardoning people. But this is such murky ground when we have so little to go on except Nalan, who may or may not be a bit cracked. Ah, got it. I'm using Chrome Beta, so that could be causing the hangup. And you're definitely right on the pardoning aspect, but does it cover a ruler pardoning themselves? Or hiring a hitman and then pardoning the hitman (kind of like what Richard Nixon did. That guy was a looney). and that doesn't quite get to someone doing something that was illegal then, but which is now legal. That is, they haven't been pardoned, but what they did is no longer a crime. another angle to consider: I wonder how Nalan/the skybreakers would deal with things like the 4th amendment, or any other law that limits what law enforcement is allowed to do. Evidence gathered under torture, or through illegal search and seizure are inadmissable in court, but to an objective observer could prove guilt. What would they do in a situation where they had access to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'm willing to bet that Rosharian societies are much more oppressive than what most countries today have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaladin he/him Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) As to the SS and laws: I'm not sure a Skybreaker could be convinced to follow laws that change at the whims of leaders. I imagine there's some provisions about not following unjust laws or something somewhere, though we know too little to say for sure.Well, bear in mind that Nalan gave up (well temporarily anyway) when Lift was pardoned. not quite the same thing, but related. That said, one could argue (if one were a skybreaker) that no matter the law now, if something was illegal at the time it happened, then it deserves punishment, so even changing laws would only be protection if they were changed prior to the action About the quote feature: I couldn't use the quote button until I started using Firefox instead of IE for 17th shard. Anyway, this quote just made me remember: Nalan is insanely Awesomely powerful and totally not someone to cross, and he just got TOLD by a random 16 year old kid. The first time reading the interlude was way intense, but the reread of the ending was just hilarious. Edited February 11, 2015 by Xaladin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 About the quote feature: I couldn't use the quote button until I started using Firefox instead of IE for 17th shard. We are glad that you have been released from the penitentiary. Welcome into the light, brother. We look forward to showing you all that you have missed while lost in the neverending maze of the blue 'e'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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