hoidhunter he/him Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 I have to go with Vin by default. Just because...that's why. One thing that our thread starter did not mention in his description of the environment is time of day. I would say that at night, vin would have a HUGE advantage. Not only does she have tin to enhance her senses and the ability to sense the "metal" of Szeth's sword with steel or iron...AND the ability to (I assume) track Szeth using bronze...but Szeth glows in the dark for pete's sake. Vin on the other hand is very apt at stealth and sneakery. She could very easily get the drop on him just using the element of surprise. All of this is assuming that they are fighting at night. Even in a daytime battle I have to go with Vin. While Szeth does have a shardblade (huge advantage) and can heal rapidly, he is very vulnerable to emotional allomancy which could put him quite off his game. Also, while he can heal...any wounds he suffers will run down his supply of stormlight. Really...just keeping the fight drawn out will eventually run down his supply of stormlight. The same could be said for Vin...but metal only burns as you use it...not as you hold it. If we are giving Vin the Chromium and Bendalloy as well, I think this would give Vin a pretty big advantage in her ability to think her way through all of his attacks. 2
soulcastJam he/him Posted January 1, 2015 Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) Everyone seems to be ignoring the extreme power that duralumin enhanced emotional allomancy has. Similar to a huge influx of breath, emotional allomancy can temporarily cripple someone. And Szeth is none too stable already. If Vin pushes on shame or doubt or any number of emotions he won't even be able to stand, much less protect himself. Fighting solo against an allomancer when you don't have a copper cloud is as much a death sentence as fighting one with Atium. Edit: hoidhunter mentioned emotional allomancy while I was typing. Well played. Edited January 1, 2015 by soulcastJam
ostrichofevil he/him Posted January 1, 2015 Author Posted January 1, 2015 You might not be able to Push the emotions of someone infused with Stormlight, as Investiture blocks that sort of thing.
hoidhunter he/him Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 You might not be able to Push the emotions of someone infused with Stormlight, as Investiture blocks that sort of thing. isn't anyone who is burning any metal infused with investiture? I mean...there is a lot of specualtion as to how heavily invested people and things may be resistant to various "magics." (ie it's really hard to push or pull on a shardblade and gravity surges don't really work on shardplate)...but...that would mean that gravity surges also don't work on someone infused with stormlight. I can't remember if this ever happens in Kaladin vs. Szeth or not...but...it totally dosen't stop allomancers from being able to push/pull on atium.
Mimiddle04 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I've seen discussions about fights between two characters from different cosmere novels, e.g., Vin vs. Kaladin or Vin vs. Shallan, but never between Szeth and Vin. This, in fact, sounds like a much more balanced fight than the others; neither Kaladin nor Shallan has gained enough experience with their powers (or Shardblades) to beat an experienced Allomancer like Vin, while Szeth is a practiced Windrunner and Shardbearer. The setting for this fight is an open landscape, and Vin has plenty of coins and Allomantic metals (aside from Atium), while Szeth has plenty of infused spheres. Who will win? Post a reply for how they achieve victory. I mentioned this in a different post, how is Szeth a better match when Kaladin beat Szeth in a fight? I was going off the scenario the OP set up. You're right, I apologize I completely missed the open plains part in my first read of this post. I shift my response from above to the OP. An open field greatly favors Szeth, he doesn't need metal anchors like Vin does. I still think some sort of dueling arena to give each of them use of their abilities would make for the best fight. 1
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Im saying Vin because she's a full Mistborn and would have an easier time using her abilities all over the Cosmere but if they fought on Roshar i would say Szeth would win. 2
AndrewStirlingMacDonald he/him Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 For Vin to be around to fight Szeth, Sazed has to have resurrected her. Which means she almost certainly has both atium plus the new conventional metals and knows how to use them. Possibly also Lerasium and Harmonium/Sazedium. She may also have Ferruchemy. She certainly has a friendly strongly god-like entity running assistance and advice through her earring. Plus what ever bonuses being a Sliver of Infinity and having held a Shard gives her. Which may in a reverse of every other fight Szeth has been in mean if she can touch him he loses. Since Chromium almost certainly wipes all stores of magical resources [Metals, Breaths, Stormlight, Dead Monks etc] when pushed with Duralmin. And at range Szeth's only defence against Emotional Allomancy is Vin not knowing or noticing he's a suicidal depressive. I think that this could make a huge difference in the fight. Szeth always seems like he's trying to find an excuse to die/kill himself anyway. A powerful push of emotional allomancy could keep him extremely distracted, to say the least. And we've seen Szeth's thought process when he fights, he has trouble really paying attention anyway. He gets distracted enough, he's going down. 3
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 I think that this could make a huge difference in the fight. Szeth always seems like he's trying to find an excuse to die/kill himself anyway. A powerful push of emotional allomancy could keep him extremely distracted, to say the least. And we've seen Szeth's thought process when he fights, he has trouble really paying attention anyway. He gets distracted enough, he's going down. OMG i never even thought of that! Have an upvote! I always assumed if they were on Roshar she wouldn't be able to block his attacks from a shardblade, she'd also have to get over the hurdle of him healing even if she struck a blow. If she used Atium he'd fly away but emotional allomancy to take him by surprise would freeze him. Although he has nightblood now....im honestly not sure how to even include this. Anybody ever wonder what would happen if Vin held Nightblood? 1
Mimiddle04 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Anybody ever wonder what would happen if Vin held Nightblood? It would eat her investiture and kill her unless she found a way to hold breath or stormlight. The mists aren't very strong/potent compared to those two and the metals themselves aren't actually investiture so Nightblood would go through her investiture very quickly I think.
Edgedancer he/him Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 It would eat her investiture and kill her unless she found a way to hold breath or stormlight. The mists aren't very strong/potent compared to those two and the metals themselves aren't actually investiture so Nightblood would go through her investiture very quickly I think. Worst case scenario he uses her like a straw to suck up the entire Shard of Preservation.
Mimiddle04 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Worst case scenario he uses her like a straw to suck up the entire Shard of Preservation. Q: Does Nightblood rip souls out of bodies, by chance? A: Nightblood consumes Investiture, including the spark of life. Q: If someone--Vasher says that Nightblood would kill him, is that just because he has this big deific Breath? Would it kill an ordinary person, like a drab? A: It would suck the Breath from anybody, and if they were unable to feed it he would feed on their soul. Q: So they would die. A: Yes. Anybody wielding Nightblood, he will suck their soul. For too long, he will eventually, if you draw him, he will suck your soul. I'm not sure if Vin has any shards during the scenario the OP posted, but even if she did and she wielded Nightblood long enough he'd eat her soul and kill her.
Edgedancer he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Q: Does Nightblood rip souls out of bodies, by chance? A: Nightblood consumes Investiture, including the spark of life. Q: If someone--Vasher says that Nightblood would kill him, is that just because he has this big deific Breath? Would it kill an ordinary person, like a drab? A: It would suck the Breath from anybody, and if they were unable to feed it he would feed on their soul. Q: So they would die. A: Yes. Anybody wielding Nightblood, he will suck their soul. For too long, he will eventually, if you draw him, he will suck your soul. I'm not sure if Vin has any shards during the scenario the OP posted, but even if she did and she wielded Nightblood long enough he'd eat her soul and kill her. Well yes, but if she was absorbing the mist it stands to reason that he would devour them first, like he would eat Breath first. Granted, Vin would probably have enough time to throw Nightblood away but that´s why it´s the worst case scenario. Edited January 4, 2015 by Edgedancer
Bort he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I think Vin would win. Eventually. Mostly because Szeth is actually an honourable kind of guy, where Vin is a street rat. So, he would go for a straight up kind of fight, and she would lie cheat and steal her way to victory. Now reimagine the fight with Szeth wielding Nightblood Szeth would lose. Vin is anything but evil, and would probably remind Nightblood of Vivenna.
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Kaladin and Vin would be more interesting to talk about. The general consensus here is that Vin would win, so what if she faced Kaladin?
Redbird he/him Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I think Vin would win. Eventually. Mostly because Szeth is actually an honourable kind of guy, where Vin is a street rat. So, he would go for a straight up kind of fight, and she would lie cheat and steal her way to victory. Vin doesn't care how she wins, and that is really how all mistborn fight. And honorable is not the word I would use, but I cannot think of a better one.
Mimiddle04 Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Vin doesn't care how she wins, and that is really how all mistborn fight. And honorable is not the word I would use, but I cannot think of a better one. Traditional maybe? He fights in a stylized manner, Vin fights any way she can. I think you're over estimating Szeth's "honor" though. He has shown time and again if he wants to win a fight he will use tricks and any advantage he has even though the other person isn't capable of the same. When he fought Gavilar he was in danger of losing at one point so instead of fighting he lashed the balcony down a number of times until it broke and Gavilar fell. This to me is somewhat of a "dirty" tactic, the kind that someone like Vin would use. So if he found out he could use his abilities to beat her in a sneaky way I strongly believe he'd do it that way. 1
phattemer Posted May 1, 2015 Posted May 1, 2015 Yeah, but she doesn't have atium. I also went with Vin, but with the condition that she has all 16 metals, not just the 9 she knows about and is allowed to have based on the original post. I mean, bendalloy? Chromium? Aluminum? We don't really know how those affect other Investiture systems, but we DO know that they do. Chromium! Szeth falls out of the sky... (bendalloy) in slow motion... (duralumin brass) Szeth loses all emotions internally as well... (duralumin pewter + steel) he falls, dead by sheets of metal. There is the problem that he can heal with Stormlight, but maybe Vin has aluminum knives now?
natc Posted May 1, 2015 Posted May 1, 2015 I'm sure chromium just depletes metal supply at the normal level, and the metal isn't even invested.
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