Renegade he/him Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Let's see, we've got 5 people claiming to have been contacted by Eol so far: Lord Pifferdoo, Maill, Mckeedee, Winter Cloud, and OstrichOfEvil. I find it interesting that most of them are relatively new to the game, other than Maill. Definitely seems like an attempt to seek a role from a few people, but I don't know why they would've contacted Maill. I feel like if Eol is Spiked, he's trying to throw a red herring at us somehow, and get some of those 5 to be more trusted, since I don't really know how he could possibly expect to get away with whatever he did. One way or another, there's something afoot. 1
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Is that three people at least who have been hit by phishing attempts? >> Edit: Or is that just that you're asking for clarification there, Mek? No. I got that message too. Just phishing, huh?
little wilson she/her Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Question: Can everyone who received one of these phishing PMs post the time that you received it? Please include your timezone as well, so I can get them all into a standard time. 5 people have claimed to have been contacted by Eol in the thread, but I know of a 6th. Looking at the PM groups, there are no duplicates in the groups either. Not counting Eol's group (which hasn't had anyone step forward, but I wouldn't be surprised if one of them does, considering), there's only one group who is untouched by his trolling. My reasoning for asking for the time stamps is because he asked a question in the PM, and I want to know if he PM'd people before or after my answer came through. If before, he could just be a troll or he could be evil. If after, it's almost a guarantee he's evil.
Lord Pifferdoo he/him Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) I received my message from Eol at 4:11 AM this morning. I'm going to refrain from voting at all until I get more of a feel on how this works. Edit: Central Time Zone Edited January 3, 2015 by Lord Pifferdoo
little wilson she/her Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 I received my message from Eol at 4:11 AM this morning. I'm going to refrain from voting at all until I get more of a feel on how this works. What timezone are you in?
ostrichofevil he/him Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 5:19am EST. I'd like Eolhandras to say something for himself, before our votes are finalized.
Renegade he/him Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Hmm, I might have figured this out. Basically, I'm thinking that Eoladdin is a Spiked Tineye. I'm guessing that he contacted some of the most likely suspects to have written one of the other Tineye messages last Night, claiming that he Seeked them as a Tineye (we only have proof from ostrichofevil here), in hopes that one or more of them would've admitted to being a Tineye. I'm guessing that the plan was supposed to fail miserably (though presumably after one person admitted to being a Tineye), and that Eoladdin would've been lynched, removing one Tineye from the equation (even if he is a Spiked Tineye). Then, the Spiked would've hoped to have killed a Village Tineye tonight. Then, they'd somehow stop the last (or maybe they're just a Spiked Mistborn or another Spiked Tineye?), thus shutting down communications. The main problems with this theory are that it seems awfully early and risky for the Spiked to pull off this kind of stunt. Perhaps it could be that Eoldren was going to end up like ____ (that was the actual name of the player) in MR 3, and try to get lynched and do something crazy before he had to go inactive? Any thoughts about this? Edited January 3, 2015 by Renegade
Lord Pifferdoo he/him Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Like he was going to be offline for a couple weeks so he took a gambit to try and expose people? Seems plausible. I wonder what Eol has to say for himself....
Ashiok Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Well, actually ________ had a real name before they left 17s, and they didn't have to leave the game, they left the site, but that's neither here nor there...
Claincy he/him Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) I'm also slightly interested in Claincy's slight shift in position. Last major game of this format played was LG5. In LG5, as I've briefly noted above--he commences a long and at times, aggressive/spirited defence of lynch voting to promote discussion against Jim Bob Dirt. You seem to have taken quite a step back from being a proponent of both early lynch voting, and, if need be, lynching, in this game. So, what's up with that? There's no special reason behind this, I've just been out of the game for 6 months and it turns out that my memory of the strategies and reasoning isn't as solid as I thought it was Having reread those reasons, past me has convinced future me and I'll shift back to my old stance. Thanks for bringing that up Kas (I do think that I was a little more aggressive in some of those later posts than I would have liked. :/) My gut says that Eolhondras isn't spiked. The chance of a set of messages like this actually bearing fruit seems fairly low and painting a target on yourself for a low chance of finding a tineye seems a bad plan. True it seems a bad plan whether he is a villager or a spiked, but if he was spiked I think some of the other spiked would have pointed out the flaws in his plan. Unless they're trying to wipe out the tineyes altogether to prevent PMs, which is a difficult plan to pull off given that there are probably 2-3 tineyes and even then the odds that he would get all of them are terrible. I just don't see the tradeoff of a spiked being worthwhile to them this early in the game. I think it is more likely that he is a villager and this was a poorly thought-through plan. I dunno, I'm not convinced. I think the best case for the spiked with this plan would be that they discovered the identity of a single tineye in exchange for losing one of their members. If Eolhondras is a spiked tineye that would change the equation somewhat. Even then it seems like a rather brash and risky action. My feeling at the moment is that he isn't, but I'm less than certain. We still have several hours left for more information to come up and for Eolhondras to speak up, so for now I'm going to shift my finger pointing into an actual vote for Joe. He has been online but he hasn't posted and I still have plenty of time to change it if circumstances change. Edited January 4, 2015 by lord Claincy Ffnord
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I actually Haven't been online until Now, but 17th Shard is one of my Homepages, so It looks like I'm online a lot more than I am. I'm still working on Homework, So I won't be on much more today. Tomorrow I might be more active. I haven't had time to really analyze, only read, so I don't have any suspicions or anyone to call out. Eolhondras contacted me as well. And I probably won't be posting at all during the night cycles, unless there's an actual debate going on.
Lightsworn Panda he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I was also contacted by Eolhondras. According to him, he sent those messages as an "Icebreaker". However, considering how he hasn't stepped up to defend himself, despite being online, I find that awfully erratic, if not suspicious.
Claincy he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Retracting my vote for Joe now that he has posted and given a reason for his absence and instead moving my vote to Dom for the same reasons while we are learning more about the whole Eolhondras situation. Edited January 5, 2015 by lord Claincy Ffnord
ostrichofevil he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Lord Tekiel was tired of Eoladdin's mad rantings; who listens to a madman? Today, they would end, for a hanged man cannot talk. He wasn't sure about his suspicions about Eol, but he would not put up with a man who accuses his fellow villagers without reason. He hummed as he nailed his message to the tavern door: Vote to lynch Eoladdin today! Our village cannot handle one more Lunatic, and who knows when another might come along? So, let's make room. Eoladdin's trial will be held in the town square, before the end of the day. If he does not argue his innocence, then he deserves to hang! -- Posted by an anonymous glass merchant. Buy Tekiel Glass today; your wine and windows need it! 1
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I also received one of the PM's and he also explained that it was an icebreaker when I questioned him about it. I received it at 5:22AM Eastern Time.
Seonid he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) I'm a little worried about the bandwagon going on about Eolhondren. It seems like he has sent out a lot of questionable messages, but I'm just worried about a day 1 lynch with so little information. All we have is a night 1 threat kill (Vron was an experienced player who would certainly have been dangerous to the Spiked. Even Wilson said that he was high on her threat list. Not that I'm saying that to accuse Wilson. I'm 95% sure that I can trust her. I'm don't 100% trust anyone, except myself, of course, but I don't expect that to carry over for anyone else.) So with that, and Eol's phishing, I'm not sure that this can give us a pattern. I mean, if he's Spiked, then all for the good. But if he's not, then we've killed a villager for no good reason and gotten no information out of it. Another point to consider is that we may have overrepresentation on the folks who have reported messages. We have no way of verifying whether they have actually received it or not, unless Eolhondren comes out and confirms/denies it. Some folks may have been misrepresenting themselves in order to push for a bandwagon on an innocent person. Unless...Meta, is it legal to invite new folks to old PM's in order to prove that they happened, or is that a misuse of the site resources? My gut says it would be a misuse, but I'd like to make sure. [EDIT:] Color!!!! Edited January 4, 2015 by Seonid 1
little wilson she/her Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Eolhondras only has 2 votes on him, by my count. Far from a bandwagon. And they're well-deserved votes anyway. He's had plenty of time to get on and defend himself, but he hasn't said anything. That tells me that this is all going according to plan. He wants to die. The only thing that really makes sense in this case is for him to be a Spiked Tineye. Tineye is a passive role, so I don't think it's one you can turn the metal off and stop people from sending PMs. He's fairly useless to his team as long as he's alive, outside of the numbers that he adds. But sending all of those messages was a way of potentially getting a bite, so they can take out the other Tineyes (or at least one of them). And from what I know, there were a couple who bit. So the Spiked know who at least one of the Tineyes is. His gambit succeeded, and he has no reason to defend himself because he knows he can die and it won't be in vain. Surprisingly though, despite the wide range of messages sent, there's a fair bit of information that's been gained from this. But I do agree that there's a misrepresentation on who was contacted. I expect out of the people who've claimed to have been trolled by Eolhondras, there are at least one or two Spiked. Anyway, though...short RP. I didn't have time to write anything else, since this game became a crazy mess in the last few hours. Wilson entered the tavern and dropped onto a barstool, exhausted. She waved at Satrams for a drink before dropping her head onto the bar. She’d been running around non-stop all day, delivering messages and she was pretty sure she couldn’t move another foot. She blamed the saboteurs. Her job was easy before they came along. Deliver the occasional message, which gave her plenty of downtime to spend however she wanted. But now? She didn’t even know what free time was anymore.... All of them need to die, she thought. Sure, it was selfish reason she wanted them to die for, but she couldn't care less. She missed that calm life where she never experienced things like the barracks being on fire, or the alchemist dying (even though he hated her and used urchins to do her job. As if urchins were better than she was. Hmph), or the rumor of a koloss army approaching. She shuddered. She'd rather go the way of the alchemist with an ax in her skull than face an army of koloss. Although, she thought morbidly, I'd still probably end up with an ax in my head either way.... 5
Lord Pifferdoo he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 If anyone wants to RP off of the mini scenario I set up earlier, that is totally fine with me.
Metacognition he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Unless...Meta, is it legal to invite new folks to old PM's in order to prove that they happened, or is that a misuse of the site resources? My gut says it would be a misuse, but I'd like to make sure. You're entirely right, you can't add new people to PM conversations that have been ongoing! That's basically using past information to help confirm yourself and is against the Fair Play Rules. Tineye is a passive role, so I don't think it's one you can turn the metal off and stop people from sending PMs. This is also correct. Tin is passive, like pewter, in the fact that it doesn't have to be turned on or off. You do have to activate the message part though (obviously). Edited January 4, 2015 by Metacognition 2
Renegade he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Rent's Rant of the Day: "Lynching" Lynching is the whole point of this game. We can't just cower and fear and hope to not make a mistake, and let that stop us from lynching people. In LG 6, it took 6 or 7 cycles before the Villagers pinned down a single Eliminator, but the mistakes that some people (and horses ) made gave them a lot of information in the end. The same should go here. We have more than the usual amount of information available on Day 1, with the Night coming first. A lack of information should not hinder our voting actions. And honestly, with the Eoladdin shenanigans and PMs available, we should have a relatively good baseline amount of information at the moment. Perhaps many of you wish to go for the “follow the cop” strategy, just waiting until someone has been Seeked, and then jump on that. But this game isn’t played by the Nights, it’s played by what is said in the thread, and by the votes. If everyone were silent, and we just had Night cycles, we’d almost inevitably lose. We’d have no plans, no potential suspects to go off of, practically nothing to do. The lynch is the focus of the game, and by not participating in it, you’re missing out on a huge part of the game. A mislynch can actually give us a lot of information, but only if there are a lot of people who have bothered to vote. And right now, it doesn’t look like that. In fact, I’m sort of shocked and worried by all of the people who haven’t decided to post today. (Which is about… a lot, by my last count.) On another note, I’m not sure what to do about Eoladdin right now. If he is indeed a Tineye (there’s a big "if" there), then it means that we might not want to lynch him, as it would force the Spiked to waste a kill on one of their own if they wanted to ultimately stop communications. Alternatively, if we do lynch him, then we could figure out if he’s a Spiked or not, and figure out who to suspect/not suspect, and go from there. As for my own vote… until further notice, I’m putting my vote on Hero. I know that Kas already placed a vote on him, and ten people are probably going to accuse me of “bandwagoning” onto Hero, but I definitely agree that there is something odd about someone refusing to vote, especially with the informational advantage of us starting on a Night turn. Plus, it was said rather early in the cycle, and seemed almost like an easy way out of the Day’s lynch actions. I wouldn’t say it points directly towards being a Spiked, but it’s not going to help us that much. (Although, it’s much more helpful than the lurkers/inactives have been… come on in, enjoy the bloodbath! It’s fun! ) Edit: Retracted vote Edited January 4, 2015 by Renegade 2
Seonid he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) I'll bite on that, Pifferdoo. I can never resist the chance to do some good RP. Senn started as the Baron screamed. That was a disturbing sound, that one. Disturbing enough that he didn't pay attention during the rest of the speech. Some sort of recap of the events of the past day. As if any of them didn't know that themselves. The last sentence caught his ear, though. What on earth were these 'official question-asking rules?' "Well beg your pardon, Lord High Muckety-Muck. Who gave you the right to determine how we can ask questions and how we can't? Only ask your questions in the official way. Only talk to the council. Only this, only that. Sounds like a good way to never find anything useful. Well, says I, I think that we should throw out your precious question asking rules." There was a stunned silence. "And as for the matter at hand. We have the case of the mysterious Eoladdin, who seems to be going around and asking everyone if they're a Tineye. I thought he was just mad, needed an asylum, not a lynch, but Wilson thinks differently, and she's quite persuasive. What say ye?" On other matters, that is disturbingly good reasoning, Wilson. I'm...going to have to think about that for a while. But suffice it to say that I am finding Eolhondren more suspicious after that. I just need some time to weigh it out and decide whether that outweighs my worries about a potential mislynch this early. (As I posted in my above). I'm not going to join in and vote yet, but I'm going to leave the option open. The fact that Eolhondren hasn't defended himself, despite being on (although there is no way to know if he just left himself logged in...) may well be telling. You're entirely right, you can't add new people to PM conversations that have been ongoing! That's basically using past information to help confirm yourself and is against the Fair Play Rules. I thought so. Thanks for confirming that! [EDIT:] Ninja'd by Renegade! That's another persuasive argument. Would you guys stop forcing me to reconsider my opinions! Edited January 4, 2015 by Seonid 1
Eolhondras he/him Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I'd like to apologise for my tardiness in terms of replying to the ongoing events here. While this has all unfolded I have either been asleep or at work. As has been noted, I have been online for brief periods though out the day, and I have been a pretty terrible employee as a result. Every time I had a spare second, I would take a look at the forum, just enough to keep up with what's happening, but not enough time to respond. (Please before you question my IRL commitments, I believe lying about them would be against the etiquette policy running on the site.) So again, apologies, and I will post my actual response soon. 2
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