Epic Combat: Can you beat Mister Trigger?

[The White Drake]

I have this Epic called Mister Trigger. He's a very anti-Epic Epic- not because his powers are particularly stunning, but because he's very very practiced at fighting other Epics, and very skilled with using his powers well in general.

Powers:

Spoiler

Making objects out of energy (swords, guns, etc.) They're better than their ordinary versions, though not amazingly so. He can't make large scale stuff or far away- he just uses this to arm himself and create defensive shields.

Enhanced physical abilities. Like a pewter burner.

Self-copying. He can have up to four copies of himself, all of which retain his other powers. If one dies the others gain his memories and experiences and it takes 24 hours to make a replacement.

No sleep, fatigue, or weakening from injury/blood loss. (This and his self-copying are what let him get so good- he can train x8 what's normally possible, and really loves combat).

Reincarnation on a 24 hour timer. Needing to use it still counts as a loss.

The power to learn other powers- but with serious limitations. He needs to observe the target power plenty, practice it a ton, and he then obtains a far lesser version. Learning flight, for instance, just gave him the ability to make really good jumps and fall great distances without being hurt. He also can only have one learned power at a time, swapping out which one he has each day (each of the four of him can have a different one). I have a complete list of all the powers he's learned (there's about two dozen) and what he can do with them.

Lastly, not an actual power, but just being very experienced at fighting Epics and excellent at fighting in general. He knows the ins and outs of practically every power he could go up against.

He loves fighting other Epics. So I would like ya'll to post your Epics and we'll see if he can defeat them or not.

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

2 hours ago, The White Drake said:

Making objects out of energy (swords, guns, etc.) They're better than their ordinary versions, though not amazingly so. He can't make large scale stuff or far away- he just uses this to arm himself and create defensive shields.

Is he literally converting energy to mass?

2 hours ago, The White Drake said:

Reincarnation on a 24 hour timer. Needing to use it still counts as a loss.

So how does it benefit him in this battle?

[ParaTulip fae/faer (declines as she/her)]

8 hours ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

So how does it benefit him in this battle?

No OP, but it makes it so there is no fear of battle for him. This makes psychological attacks a lot weaker.

Not super up on this stuff, since I am mostly a cosmere head, but it seems like the thing to do is to use illusions to trick him into thinking he is going to get his Epic Weakness cured by learning a power that could counter-act it, or make him think he has learned a power which helps him deal with whatever other ability is to be used against him, and then taking advantage of that misconception.

[Aeoryi she/her]

1. A biosense teleporter could easily defeat him without a fight by taking him by surprise. Detect the copies of him, then teleport them away into some trap where he is essentially spawn camped while he dies. The method the trap uses to kill him is irrelevant overall.

2. Due to their nature, many a high epic could likely subdue him. Rainmaker from Corealis could probably do this, famously also being backed by a team of Queens and (essentially) enforcement while having a lot of experience with this kind of thing.

3. A force field epic could contain all four clones of him and then he could probably do just about nothing.

4. Wiper could temporarily negate his powers (destroying his clones) for an instant and then someone else could shoot him. He would be taken by surprise.

5. There are a LOT of other reckoners RPG epics that could 100% best him... he's the kind of epic that's strong but not REALLY strong especially because while in a raw power match he would probably win, most epics play to their strengths.

[The White Drake]

15 hours ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

Is he literally converting energy to mass?

No. It's solid energy that looks like objects and mimics the properties of substances.

15 hours ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

So how does it benefit him in this battle?

Lets him lose and learn from his mistakes for the next time. It doesn't really benefit him in the middle of a battle.

6 hours ago, ParaTulip said:

Not super up on this stuff, since I am mostly a cosmere head, but it seems like the thing to do is to use illusions to trick him into thinking he is going to get his Epic Weakness cured by learning a power that could counter-act it, or make him think he has learned a power which helps him deal with whatever other ability is to be used against him, and then taking advantage of that misconception.

Sorry, but he has countermeasures against both mental and photonic illusions. For mental, the illusionist needs to know what to display in his mind, so he wears blue-tinted glasses- the enemy sees that and colors the illusions blue. But a secret second layer tints everything green, so the illusion, projected directly into his mind bypassing the glasses, is blue against a green background. He also can have a little camera in his collar and compare it's feed against what he sees.

For photonic, he uses heat vision goggles. He also has several different sense powers to select from among his learned powers.

And in particular what you proposed to do with the illusions wouldn't work, because the first would need you to know his Weakness already (it's cell phones), and for the second he needs DAYS of training to learn a power, and often more to figure out how to use it well.

6 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

1. A biosense teleporter could easily defeat him without a fight by taking him by surprise. Detect the copies of him, then teleport them away into some trap where he is essentially spawn camped while he dies. The method the trap uses to kill him is irrelevant overall.

That would probably work, save that he'd be surprisingly good at escaping many traps, so you'd need to make it rock solid. Though if you mean kill him again whenever he reincarnates, the location isn't the same as where he died (it's within a few miles). And if he knew about the Epic's powers, he'd still claim a win with a remote long-range snipe.

6 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

2. Due to their nature, many a high epic could likely subdue him. Rainmaker from Corealis could probably do this, famously also being backed by a team of Queens and (essentially) enforcement while having a lot of experience with this kind of thing.

He is very, very good at getting around Prime Invulnerabilities. I don't have experience with Rainmaker, but he's killed invulnerables, regenerators, intangibles, and those with more exotic Prime Invincibilities. He beat Challenger, a superstrength/invulnerable/energy blaster, who also had loads of experience and five other Epics to back him up (though he had help and it was close).

6 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

3. A force field epic could contain all four clones of him and then he could probably do just about nothing.

You underestimate his competence. You'd have a heck of a time catching him. (I have done a lot of RP with this guy before, so I know his capabilities from experience pretty well). Almost any power you can think of, he's gone up against before and knows how to deal with. And again, if he has foreknowledge of who he's fighting he does even better. He picks his teleportation learned power (range of only a few feet) to jump past forcefields.

6 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

4. Wiper could temporarily negate his powers (destroying his clones) for an instant and then someone else could shoot him. He would be taken by surprise.

He doesn't have a base self. There are four of him, all identical. His external powers would be negated, but his enhanced physical capabilities would still be intact, and he'd handle getting shot at with poise. He'd also kill Wiper before she got a chance.

6 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

5. There are a LOT of other reckoners RPG epics that could 100% best him... he's the kind of epic that's strong but not REALLY strong especially because while in a raw power match he would probably win, most epics play to their strengths.

Uh... quite the reverse. He's decently strong, but he wins against stronger Epics with skill and tactics, not sheer power. There are plenty of Epics that could crush him, yes, but it's because they're overwhelming in raw power. He beats guys with stronger power sets by understanding those power sets, his own, and how to fight. He regularly goes up against guys with a lot more raw power than him.

He is the anti-Epic Epic from experience. Speedsters? Surprise tripwire. Telekinetics? (and many with overwhelming firepower) don't let them draw a bead, keep em confused and in chaos with bullet bouncing surfaces, self-firing shots, smoke bombs, cover, etc. Invulnerable? Trap, bury, taze, blind, poison, suffocate. He has so many surprises up his sleeve that enhanced senses is actually one of the most troublesome powers for him to face down.

Edited Saturday at 07:25 PM by The White Drake

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

2 hours ago, The White Drake said:

No. It's solid energy that looks like objects and mimics the properties of substances.

So does it have mass?

[ParaTulip fae/faer (declines as she/her)]

This feels like a really unfun game of "Nuh uh. My guy beats that."

 

[The White Drake]

57 minutes ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

So does it have mass?

No. It's energy.

43 minutes ago, ParaTulip said:

This feels like a really unfun game of "Nuh uh. My guy beats that."

Because he's competent? He's lost before, and he's won before. He wasn't made here, he was made in a Reckoners RP elsewhere and I was curious to see if anyone had a good matchup. I provided a very specific way to counter your proposed method, which he has used against illusionists before, so please don't just try to reduce it down to a 'nuh-uh'. The entire basis of this character is he knows how to fight Epic powers.

He is very good. Which is why I wanted to see if anyone had a good matchup.

Edited Saturday at 07:25 PM by The White Drake

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

4 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

No. It's energy.

I do not understand the mechanics of this. How does it function as a shield? How is it static?

If it is turned into matter, the obvious solution is to drop a nuke on him. He can either convert all of the energy into matter, therefore crushing him, or he could be evaporated.

[The White Drake]

1 minute ago, Through the Living Hopper said:

I do not understand the mechanics of this. How does it function as a shield? How is it static?

If it is turned into matter, the obvious solution is to drop a nuke on him. He can either convert all of the energy into matter, therefore crushing him, or he could be evaporated.

It's like a versatile forcefield he shapes into things. He makes it himself, so if you attack him, he's not converting any of your energy at all. A nuke will do the job a thousand times over.

4 hours ago, The White Drake said:

I don't have experience with Rainmaker, but he's killed invulnerables, regenerators, intangibles, and those with more exotic Prime Invincibilities.

Having done some research, I don't think he can beat her. He'd annoy her though, since she dislikes using her PI, and drag the fight out.

[ParaTulip fae/faer (declines as she/her)]

It seems to me like the way to defeat this guy is to attack his social system that enables him to live like a total weirdo.

He clearly knows how to win any direct fight, and will develop a backstory to explain why the new trick he is up against does not work, but he probably needs friends and other supports to remain mentally functional.

So, if I need to take this guy out for some reason, I am going to run the anti Dr Manhattan playbook and attack the man and not the powers.

[The White Drake]

4 hours ago, ParaTulip said:

and will develop a backstory to explain why the new trick he is up against does not work,

I've been playing him for much of a year. Can you not be so derisive?

4 hours ago, ParaTulip said:

He clearly knows how to win any direct fight

Literally just lost one to Rainsummoner. Also was wiped out by the Thundersmith and bested by Usurper (the latter even when he was massively buffed). Lost three of his four copies fighting Challenger's team.

4 hours ago, ParaTulip said:

he probably needs friends and other supports to remain mentally functional.

...he is an Epic. Anyways, his lifestyle is largely nomadic. He has friends, some travel with him for periods, some he visits when he's in the area. He's a very happy go-lucky sort of guy. Possibly the only Epic ever to have been turned away by the phrase 'I don't want to fight you' (but only sometimes). I would describe his social network as more wide than deep. He likes a lot of people (they may not like him back), but I can only think of one guy he's bonded with deeply.

Edited Sunday at 01:26 AM by The White Drake

[Mystic He/Him]

I do not know enough about epics off the top of my head to name some that would be able to beat him.

That said, two ideas come to mind:

The first is just mass AoE powers. It’s usually hard to dodge those, that becomes a matter of speed, and then if your area is big enough you’re pretty much guaranteed to get a hit on him. Small problem of that AoE generally trades strength for a bigger target area.

The second way is something similar to Nightwielder. The effect of essentially being incorporeal and able to go into objects essentially makes it so you cannot hit said person and then it becomes a series of hit and run attacks. The main problem there is the weakness. Nightwielders wasn’t hard to use in a fight, and so would be a bad matchup here, but someone with a different weakness but similar skill set would probably be fine

Edit: has he had to go against people like this before? How did he beat them?(or did he not?)

Edited Saturday at 11:13 PM by Mystic

[The White Drake]

3 hours ago, Mystic said:

I do not know enough about epics off the top of my head to name some that would be able to beat him.

That said, two ideas come to mind:

The first is just mass AoE powers. It’s usually hard to dodge those, that becomes a matter of speed, and then if your area is big enough you’re pretty much guaranteed to get a hit on him. Small problem of that AoE generally trades strength for a bigger target area.

The second way is something similar to Nightwielder. The effect of essentially being incorporeal and able to go into objects essentially makes it so you cannot hit said person and then it becomes a series of hit and run attacks. The main problem there is the weakness. Nightwielders wasn’t hard to use in a fight, and so would be a bad matchup here, but someone with a different weakness but similar skill set would probably be fine

Edit: has he had to go against people like this before? How did he beat them?(or did he not?)

He has. For the AoE, he tries to trick his enemy into firing in the wrong direction. Set up something to fire remotely at one spot, run to another, fire it, that sort of thing. He also can shield himself if needed, so the strength problem you mention is an issue. But AoE is still a pretty good option. The Thundersmith (one of the few who beat him) leveled an entire city block.

For incorporeals, he uses gas attacks and flashbangs, but that's to best it as a PI. In a hit-and-run like you describe, he'd fare pretty good, since he has four people to look out for the enemy and enhanced reflexes. He also could lay traps and take a learned power to better track his enemy. Epic Radar (tracking the locations of nearby Epics) and Lesser Danger Sense (warns him of attacks but doesn't grant the auto perfect dodge the full version does) come to mind.

Edit: I meant to say he’s fought AoE Epics and incorporeals. He hasn’t fought a fall camping one in specific.

Edited Sunday at 02:33 AM by The White Drake

[DcD25yhtdA8 he/him]

On 7/10/2026 at 7:22 PM, The White Drake said:

The power to learn other powers- but with serious limitations. He needs to observe the target power plenty, practice it a ton, and he then obtains a far lesser version. Learning flight, for instance, just gave him the ability to make really good jumps and fall great distances without being hurt. He also can only have one learned power at a time, swapping out which one he has each day (each of the four of him can have a different one). I have a complete list of all the powers he's learned (there's about two dozen) and what he can do with them.

This can be useful on a number of levels, but how would this be useful against someone like a High Epic, because if he ever faces one, and comes back to try and kill them, he would probably need to fight fire with fire.

[Aeoryi she/her]

 

On 7/11/2026 at 6:25 PM, The White Drake said:

He has. For the AoE, he tries to trick his enemy into firing in the wrong direction. Set up something to fire remotely at one spot, run to another, fire it, that sort of thing. He also can shield himself if needed, so the strength problem you mention is an issue. But AoE is still a pretty good option. The Thundersmith (one of the few who beat him) leveled an entire city block.

For incorporeals, he uses gas attacks and flashbangs, but that's to best it as a PI. In a hit-and-run like you describe, he'd fare pretty good, since he has four people to look out for the enemy and enhanced reflexes. He also could lay traps and take a learned power to better track his enemy. Epic Radar (tracking the locations of nearby Epics) and Lesser Danger Sense (warns him of attacks but doesn't grant the auto perfect dodge the full version does) come to mind.

Edit: I meant to say he’s fought AoE Epics and incorporeals. He hasn’t fought a fall camping one in specific.

Can I ask if you could figure out a way to beat him?

Especially considering he can seemingly pull the "well he would have thought of that" card at any point which negates any advantage anyone else can get.

[The White Drake]

10 hours ago, DcD25yhtdA8 said:

This can be useful on a number of levels, but how would this be useful against someone like a High Epic, because if he ever faces one, and comes back to try and kill them, he would probably need to fight fire with fire.

His learned powers are to weak to kill High Epics. He uses them to compliment his normal combat style with extra tricks most of the time. It's his ability to create objects that he needs, and great levels of experience fighting them, he uses to kill High Epics.

A few examples: Against intangibles, he uses flashbangs to disable, and poison gas to kill. He's baited invulnerables into buildings where he plants explovies to bury them (it didn't work in that case, but it was a solid plan), or tazed them (suffocation works as a kill method once they're down), and while he hasn't done it yet, gas attacks and flashbangs would also work. Regenerators he generally needs to capture and hold until he's got an incinerator ready that can burn them to nothing, but they're easier since they take time to get back on their feet. When he fought Immensity, who had a gravity-based exotic defense power, he made laser guns to hurt him. In short, he figures out the blind spot in the Prime Invincibility (and any other powers) and attacks accordingly.

10 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

Especially considering he can seemingly pull the "well he would have thought of that" card at any point which negates any advantage anyone else can get.

Literally all tactics I myself already thought up a while ago, why on earth wouldn't he? I'll take your statement as a compliment since you think such a level of intelligence is so OP.

10 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

Can I ask if you could figure out a way to beat him?

Well, the first step is to look at the times he did lose. Against the Thundersmith, he saw a legitimate vulnerability, but overextended trying to exploit it and paid the price. Usurper simply had a PI he could not handle and other powers that made capture or knockout impossible. Same for Rainsummoner. They were all super powerful Epics though- while the weaker Challenger came close, with three out of four copies fallen, and might have done it if not for his Weakness triggering. So, what did Challenger do?
Well, he fought with a team. Mister Trigger had to split up. A repeated pattern across MT's fights is him crushing 1v1s, even against guys with technically stronger power sets, thanks to his numbers advantage. But against Challenger, he had to send some of his selves to delay the High Epics while only one or two whittled away at the rest. That left him weaker on every front, both getting kills slower and being more vulnerable to the hard hitters since he often lacked support. EPIC (an organization) also held a numbers advantage high enough that while most of their Epics were pretty weak on their own, MT still had to split them up into batches he could tackle one after another to give a good fight (and he could only do that due to his own allies).

So, our theoretical anti-Trigger Epic would want self-duplication. The best counter to being outnumbered is to be the one doing the outnumbering. You can lose individuals to MT's techniques, but still have more to spare, and now you've seen his counters to your powers. You can pressure all four of him from multiple directions at once and resist getting pressured yourself. Let us say our anti-Trigger could make one or two dozen copies, keeping his other powers.

A power he's also had serious trouble with is enhanced senses. Many of his tricks can be foiled by this. Usurper used them (though she didn't need to) to spot hidden cameras on blades he threw when she thought she had obscured the area, see through his camouflage, and so on. When running theoreticals against Patriot, an Epic I saw recently touted as very powerful, many of the plans I could think up that MT might use would be messed up by his enhanced senses. I could draw plans to deal with the superspeed, superstrength, invulnerability, regeneration, energy blasts, but the one thing that was inviolate was those enhanced senses messing everything up. Mind reading or precognition could likely achieve a similar effect. MT's tactics are myriad, but if you can see what's coming, you can counter it. Of course, this only matters if our Epic has enough power to win a straight brawl, but that's not a terribly high bar to clear, since Mister Trigger is, stripped of his tricks, effectively just a very good swordsman/gunman.

If we have those two powers, we've got the core of our anti-Trigger. From there, the rest is simple. Energy blasts work well, multiplying effectively with the self-duplication for tons of firepower. A mild boost to speed/stamina is also in order, to keep MT from running strafes, or you might just want to grab flight, since MT might make motorcycles, and with that and the duplication you might even be able to patrol the several mile reincarnation radius and spawn-camp MT. Plus the height advantage is a big one.

Self-duplication, energy blasts, enhanced senses, flight. There we have it. The Epic 'Anti-Trigger'.

Edit: After several failed attempts, I found a way MT could win. But it falls apart if we add any decent defensive power.

Edited 12 hours ago by The White Drake

[Aeoryi she/her]

3 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

Literally all tactics I myself already thought up a while ago, why on earth wouldn't he? I'll take your statement as a compliment since you think such a level of intelligence is so OP.

I would say because it seems unfair that he would have knowledge of everything- I understand dangersense, perhaps, but I do not think he would be "immune to surprise" if that makes sense. 

5 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

Well, the first step is to look at the times he did lose. Against the Thundersmith, he saw a legitimate vulnerability, but overextended trying to exploit it and paid the price. Usurper simply had a PI he could not handle and other powers that made capture or knockout impossible. Same for Rainsummoner. They were all super powerful Epics though- while the weaker Challenger came close, with three out of four copies fallen, and might have done it if not for his Weakness triggering. So, what did Challenger do?
Well, he fought with a team. Mister Trigger had to split up. A repeated pattern across MT's fights is him crushing 1v1s, even against guys with technically stronger power sets, thanks to his numbers advantage. But against Challenger, he had to send some of his selves to delay the High Epics while only one or two whittled away at the rest. That left him weaker on every front, both getting kills slower and being more vulnerable to the hard hitters since he often lacked support. EPIC (an organization) also held a numbers advantage high enough that while most of their Epics were pretty weak on their own, MT still had to split them up into batches he could tackle one after another to give a good fight (and he could only do that due to his own allies).

So, our theoretical anti-Trigger Epic would want self-duplication. The best counter to being outnumbered is to be the one doing the outnumbering. You can lose individuals to MT's techniques, but still have more to spare, and now you've seen his counters to your powers. You can pressure all four of him from multiple directions at once and resist getting pressured yourself. Let us say our anti-Trigger could make one or two dozen copies, keeping his other powers.

A power he's also had serious trouble with is enhanced senses. Many of his tricks can be foiled by this. Usurper used them (though she didn't need to) to spot hidden cameras on blades he threw when she thought she had obscured the area, see through his camouflage, and so on. When running theoreticals against Patriot, an Epic I saw recently touted as very powerful, many of the plans I could think up that MT might use would be messed up by his enhanced senses. I could draw plans to deal with the superspeed, superstrength, invulnerability, regeneration, energy blasts, but the one thing that was inviolate was those enhanced senses messing everything up. Mind reading or precognition could likely achieve a similar effect. MT's tactics are myriad, but if you can see what's coming, you can counter it. Of course, this only matters if our Epic has enough power to win a straight brawl, but that's not a terribly high bar to clear, since Mister Trigger is, stripped of his tricks, effectively just a very good swordsman/gunman.

If we have those two powers, we've got the core of our anti-Trigger. From there, the rest is simple. Energy blasts work well, multiplying effectively with the self-duplication for tons of firepower. A mild boost to speed/stamina is also in order, to keep MT from running strafes, or you might just want to grab flight, since MT might make motorcycles, and with that and the duplication you might even be able to patrol the several mile reincarnation radius and spawn-camp MT. Plus the height advantage is a big one.

Self-duplication, energy blasts, enhanced senses, flight. There we have it. The Epic 'Anti-Trigger'.

Mmmm. So there lies the problem. I will be honest, this epic of yours seems isekai-level powerful, to the point where he does not fit in with the world around him that we see in the Reckoners trilogy. The options I proposed were aimed to be reasonable while also fitting within the rules of the Reckoners RPG (which had a tight power limit kinda). Like, just for reference, one of the strongest epics there was Doubletake, who had the ability to create one clone at a time and never die so long as one lived. This epic you propose has the ability to create four. But like seriously this guy is crazy powerful to the point where we're kinda not even working with epics anymore. 

So Idk. Can you beat mister trigger? Probably not. Perhaps that was the original purpose of this thread, to show just how strong this character you've created is, but I'm just going to leave the answer at "for the most part no". 

[Mystic He/Him]

1 hour ago, The White Drake said:

His learned powers are to weak to kill High Epics. He uses them to compliment his normal combat style with extra tricks most of the time. It's his ability to create objects that he needs, and great levels of experience fighting them, he uses to kill High Epics.

A few examples: Against intangibles, he uses flashbangs to disable, and poison gas to kill. He's baited invulnerables into buildings where he plants explovies to bury them (it didn't work in that case, but it was a solid plan), or tazed them (suffocation works as a kill method once they're down), and while he hasn't done it yet, gas attacks and flashbangs would also work. Regenerators he generally needs to capture and hold until he's got an incinerator ready that can burn them to nothing, but they're easier since they take time to get back on their feet. When he fought Immensity, who had a gravity-based exotic defense power, he made laser guns to hurt him. In short, he figures out the blind spot in the Prime Invincibility (and any other powers) and attacks accordingly.

Literally all tactics I myself already thought up a while ago, why on earth wouldn't he? I'll take your statement as a compliment since you think such a level of intelligence is so OP.

Well, the first step is to look at the times he did lose. Against the Thundersmith, he saw a legitimate vulnerability, but overextended trying to exploit it and paid the price. Usurper simply had a PI he could not handle and other powers that made capture or knockout impossible. Same for Rainsummoner. They were all super powerful Epics though- while the weaker Challenger came close, with three out of four copies fallen, and might have done it if not for his Weakness triggering. So, what did Challenger do?
Well, he fought with a team. Mister Trigger had to split up. A repeated pattern across MT's fights is him crushing 1v1s, even against guys with technically stronger power sets, thanks to his numbers advantage. But against Challenger, he had to send some of his selves to delay the High Epics while only one or two whittled away at the rest. That left him weaker on every front, both getting kills slower and being more vulnerable to the hard hitters since he often lacked support. EPIC (an organization) also held a numbers advantage high enough that while most of their Epics were pretty weak on their own, MT still had to split them up into batches he could tackle one after another to give a good fight (and he could only do that due to his own allies).

So, our theoretical anti-Trigger Epic would want self-duplication. The best counter to being outnumbered is to be the one doing the outnumbering. You can lose individuals to MT's techniques, but still have more to spare, and now you've seen his counters to your powers. You can pressure all four of him from multiple directions at once and resist getting pressured yourself. Let us say our anti-Trigger could make one or two dozen copies, keeping his other powers.

A power he's also had serious trouble with is enhanced senses. Many of his tricks can be foiled by this. Usurper used them (though she didn't need to) to spot hidden cameras on blades he threw when she thought she had obscured the area, see through his camouflage, and so on. When running theoreticals against Patriot, an Epic I saw recently touted as very powerful, many of the plans I could think up that MT might use would be messed up by his enhanced senses. I could draw plans to deal with the superspeed, superstrength, invulnerability, regeneration, energy blasts, but the one thing that was inviolate was those enhanced senses messing everything up. Mind reading or precognition could likely achieve a similar effect. MT's tactics are myriad, but if you can see what's coming, you can counter it. Of course, this only matters if our Epic has enough power to win a straight brawl, but that's not a terribly high bar to clear, since Mister Trigger is, stripped of his tricks, effectively just a very good swordsman/gunman.

If we have those two powers, we've got the core of our anti-Trigger. From there, the rest is simple. Energy blasts work well, multiplying effectively with the self-duplication for tons of firepower. A mild boost to speed/stamina is also in order, to keep MT from running strafes, or you might just want to grab flight, since MT might make motorcycles, and with that and the duplication you might even be able to patrol the several mile reincarnation radius and spawn-camp MT. Plus the height advantage is a big one.

Self-duplication, energy blasts, enhanced senses, flight. There we have it. The Epic 'Anti-Trigger'.

 

48 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

I would say because it seems unfair that he would have knowledge of everything- I understand dangersense, perhaps, but I do not think he would be "immune to surprise" if that makes sense. 

Mmmm. So there lies the problem. I will be honest, this epic of yours seems isekai-level powerful, to the point where he does not fit in with the world around him that we see in the Reckoners trilogy. The options I proposed were aimed to be reasonable while also fitting within the rules of the Reckoners RPG (which had a tight power limit kinda). Like, just for reference, one of the strongest epics there was Doubletake, who had the ability to create one clone at a time and never die so long as one lived. This epic you propose has the ability to create four. But like seriously this guy is crazy powerful to the point where we're kinda not even working with epics anymore. 

So Idk. Can you beat mister trigger? Probably not. Perhaps that was the original purpose of this thread, to show just how strong this character you've created is, but I'm just going to leave the answer at "for the most part no". 

Opinions on how he’d fair against Mitosis?(assuming weakness was not common knowledge)

[The White Drake]

10 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

mmm. So there lies the problem. I will be honest, this epic of yours seems isekai-level powerful, to the point where he does not fit in with the world around him that we see in the Reckoners trilogy. The options I proposed were aimed to be reasonable while also fitting within the rules of the Reckoners RPG (which had a tight power limit kinda). Like, just for reference, one of the strongest epics there was Doubletake, who had the ability to create one clone at a time and never die so long as one lived. This epic you propose has the ability to create four. But like seriously this guy is crazy powerful to the point where we're kinda not even working with epics anymore

Idk what RP you’re basing this off, but both I’ve seen (including the one he’s from) and the books massively exceed the power level you describe. Diet Mitosis being the strongest? MT isn’t even a big fish in terms of sheer power. To continue your cloning example, Mitosis, not particularly famed, can make hundreds of copies and replace them near instantly. Epics have contained nuclear blasts, carried whole cities, summoned hundreds of tornadoes, in canon only. He doesn’t compete on close to the top tier. To say he’s so strong we’re not even in Epic territory anymore is way off.

Edit: Went and found Doubletake. Her copying is a secondary ability. The very Epic just above her in the post inventing her can make a THOUSAND super strength near invulnerable minions.

10 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

I would say because it seems unfair that he would have knowledge of everything- I understand dangersense, perhaps, but I do not think he would be "immune to surprise" if that makes sense. 

10 hours ago, The White Drake said:

The basis behind his character is that he is the guy that understands Epic powers and knows these tactics. Idk what you mean by ‘immune to surprise’ though. He’s got great reflexes and skills but I did stipulate against some of the proposals he would need to know what he faced beforehand.

 

9 hours ago, Mystic said:

 

Opinions on how he’d fair against Mitosis?(assuming weakness was not common knowledge)

The fight would go really, really long. I think he’d lose in the end, Mitosis self-duplicates to fast and from just one survivor hidden anywhere. He might try something like stick a hidden explosive on one and kill until it propagates through them, targeting those without and hunting backup clones. But in this case he’d need outside gear, since one made with his power wouldn’t duplicate with Mitosis. So if he gets prep time he might win after a long fight.

Edited 11 hours ago by The White Drake

[Aeoryi she/her]

I find it very peculiar that an epic who can seemingly pull any power out of a list of 20+ powers is considered "not very powerful"... I am very curious as to where you have been rping this character (because it sounds like there's a LOT of power creep)

Is finding this epic's weakness even an option to consider or does he just not have one?

 

[The White Drake]

15 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

Idk. Can you beat mister trigger? Probably not. Perhaps that was the original purpose of this thread, to show just how strong this character you've created is, but I'm just going to leave the answer at "for the most part no". 

I find this statement ironic since Doubletake actually could do it. Not 100%, but she wins more than not.

2 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

 

I find it very peculiar that an epic who can seemingly pull any power out of a list of 20+ powers is considered "not very powerful"

 

He needs a lot of study and practice to learn one power, which is way weaker/limited for him. He fought Immensity, whose gravity powers topple buildings, three times with multiple days of practice after each to learn to fire shots that just restrain an ordinary person. And he takes a whole day to swap powers. He’s never been called weak, but he’s not top of the heap.

2 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

I am very curious as to where you have been rping this character (because it sounds like there's a LOT of power creep

…you did notice all those examples of powerful, city-level Epics I gave are from the books, right? The Epic RPC (home to MT) doesn’t have any that strong. The old RP on the Shard has some Epics so terrifying those in the Epic RPC consider them godlike and totally unbeatable. That 1,000 soldier super strength, invulnerable army guy I mentioned is from the Shard’s old RP, as are others who can make dozens of speedsters, an army of immortal super skill fighters, a guy that’s powers are effectively just ‘whatever I want’, a woman who can summon infinite nukes, another who could casually beat Steelheart and Limelight at the same time… all from the RP you said you were basing your power level cap on.

MT’s RP has power creep, but it’s tame compared to both what Sanderson has written and what the Shard’s own RP has produced.

2 hours ago, Aeoryi said:

Is finding this epic's weakness even an option to consider or does he just not have one

I told you what it was early on. Cell phones.

[Aeoryi she/her]

Just now, The White Drake said:

told you what it was early on. Cell phones.

do mobiles count?

[The White Drake]

15 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

do mobiles count?

Yes. Just having one won’t make you immune (though you could use it as a shield), but touching MT with it or playing a ringtone weakens, then negates his powers. Touch is faster.

[Aeoryi she/her]

2 minutes ago, The White Drake said:

Yes. Just having one won’t make you immune (though you could use it as a shield), but touching MT with it or playing a ringtone weakens, then negates his powers. Touch is faster.

So... what about the clones? If you touch it to one of them, do the others disappear?

Spoiler

also is there a backstory behind it I'm fully invested now