Anti Light intent?

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

If Investiture has Intent, what happens to it once the polarity has been switched? Would anti-Honor want to break oaths? 

What do you guys think?

[PanLin they/he]

51 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

If Investiture has Intent, what happens to it once the polarity has been switched? Would anti-Honor want to break oaths? 

What do you guys think?

Basically, yeah!

I understood RoW to implictly confirm that, and the wiki seems to agree:

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it can be stored in gems, it responds to sound and vibration, and has Intent. One area where anti-Light differs from regular Light -- or at least the pure ones -- is that it requires Intent to be created, a property it shares with the hybrid Lights. The only known method of creating anti-Light requires dampening the natural vibration of its corresponding Light, isolating it from its Shard's pure tone, and then re-writing it with a different tone, one that has been inverted with Intent.

The process of making, for example, Stormlight, is to literally cut the Investiture off from its Shardic source and forcibly impose the opposite Intent on it.

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

18 minutes ago, PanLin said:

The process of making, for example, Stormlight, is to literally cut the Investiture off from its Shardic source and forcibly impose the opposite Intent on it.

I understood this process of overwriting the tone, not the Intent. I guess I had it wrong if the Coppermind has it listed the other way. Thanks!

[PanLin they/he]

2 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

I understood this process of overwriting the tone, not the Intent. I guess I had it wrong if the Coppermind has it listed the other way. Thanks!

I don't think that reading is wrong! Every conscious entity in the Cosmere has its own tone:

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Questioner

When a different person picks up the Shards, it was established that the rhythm of said Shard changes.

Does this imply that everybody has their own specific rhythm? And if so, is it necessary for something like making a Cognitive Shadow, [soulstamps], or for instance making a copy of something?

Brandon Sanderson

So yes. Your blanket answer is yes, everyone will have their own song, their own rhythm, their own tone. But with an individual it's very quiet compared to that of a Shard, or a planet, or things like that.

But yes, they do exist and that is very deeply related to both Soulcasting and Forging.

Excellent question.

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Therefore, we can happily extrapolate that Intent and tone (along with Identity, Perception, and a whole host of other things) are heavily linked to each other. Modifying one aspect has a knock-on effect to the others.

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[alder24]

2 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

If Investiture has Intent, what happens to it once the polarity has been switched? Would anti-Honor want to break oaths? 

What do you guys think?

The tone and Intent are two different and separate things. Inverting the tone of investiture doesn't invert its Intent. Anti-Honor light, anti-Stormlight, still has Honor's Intent. The tone is like a song of a Shard. Intent is way more than a word that defines it, and there already are Shards with polar opposite intents, like Preservation and Ruin. But anti-Preservation's investiture is not Ruin's and its Intent still remains that of Preservation. It's their investiture, their song just out of phase - that's why pure Rhythms and their inversions sound exactly the same. Consider a soundwave, flipping a wave's peaks and valleys doesn't change the frequency or volume of the sound, so it's indistinguishable from the non-inverted soundwave. 

WaT ch 97 epigraphs:

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Anti-Light is not inherently the opposite of standard Light, nor is it negative, or imaginary, or a philosophical opposite. It is a different phase of the same entity. I see it more like the same melody, played at a different time.

However, it's possible to remove Intent entirely from anti-investiture, that's what happened with Ambition's investiture.  IoE ch 54:

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“That is not some creature from your mythology,” Starling said. “It’s what we call a negative-Investiture entity, a . . . type 3? Type 2? Shards, Ed knows. Anyway, a long time ago—when the Shards were newly born—one named Odium attacked and killed his sibling. A god was destroyed, torn apart, its Intent removed and its pieces made into some kind of terrible negative energy. They roam the emberdark, seeking souls to consume.”

 

1 hour ago, PanLin said:

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The only known method of creating anti-Light requires dampening the natural vibration of its corresponding Light, isolating it from its Shard's pure tone, and then re-writing it with a different tone. one that has been inverted with Intent.

A tone inverted with Intent, not inverted Intent. This means you have to want to invert the tone of investiture to create anti-light, you need to have that Intent, not that you invert Intent as well as the tone.