What would happen if a Surgebinder + Mistborn burned Duraliminum?

[Deception He/Him]

What would happen if a Radiant or other Surgebinder ate a nugget of Lerasium and gained the ability to burn Duraluminum, then burned it as they used a Surge?

Also, insane idea here - Surgebinders have infinite or at least huge amounts of constantly replenishing Stormlight while within the Highstorm or near Honor's Perpendicularity. What happens if a Surgebinder burns Duraluminum and uses a surge while constantly getting their Stormlight replenished, so they cannot run out? Theoretically, could they for example make a mile-wide crater by using Division + Duraluminum in a Highstorm, or Lash the whole planet with lashings, or something else insane?

[alder24]

5 hours ago, Deception said:

What would happen if a Radiant or other Surgebinder ate a nugget of Lerasium and gained the ability to burn Duraluminum, then burned it as they used a Surge?

It would supercharger this Surge, consuming all Stormlight they have. Bondsmiths can do something similar but on a bigger scale, they can supercharger another Radiant's power.

Keep in mind that Radiants are handling way more investiture than what Allomancers can get from metal. This means that the effects of duralumin on Surges would be just a scaled up version of thier Surges at best, while sometimes nothing different from a normal use of surges (for example, you already can just put all your Stormlight into one big Lashing so there would be almost no difference between this and duralumin powered Lashing). 

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Paladin Brewer

If a person had the power of Mistborn and other powers like Surges, could he use duralumin to power the Surges?

Brandon Sanderson

This is possible.

Skyward Houston signing (Nov. 19, 2018)

 

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Questioner

Could you use AonDor to manipulate Connection? If so, would a real AonDor smarty be able to do something similar to a Bondsmith?

Brandon Sanderson

The short answer to your question is: yes. Let me give some explanation.

Even when you are seeings some things happening in Elantris itself, you are seeing them manipulate Connection. It is mostly reinforcing Connection, but it is, in a way, manipulation. Rewriting Connection, rewriting Identity are both things that they can do. So with enough power, with enough smartiness, what a Bondsmith can do can be done.

In fact, we have seen short-range Elsecalling done by… Obviously Elsecalling’s not Bondsmithing, but you know that a Bondsmith powered a big Elsecalling [to migrate from Ashyn], one of the big things you’ve seen a Bondsmith do is get people between planets. And you have seen people use AonDor to Elsecall. You’ve seen them Lightweave, you’ve seen them do a lot of these things. They also could do some of this same stuff.

Basically, rule of thumb is: almost anything in the cosmere that is possible can be replicated with AonDor with the right program. But you may need an injection of Investiture in certain ways.

Dragonsteel 2022 (Nov. 14, 2022)

 

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Trae Cooper (paraphrased)

Why are Invested objects like metalminds and Hemalurgic spikes able to be Pushed and Pulled on, but Shardblades and Shardplate, which are also invested, are not susceptible to Pushing and Pulling?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

There were a few concepts that he outlined in answering this question.

1.) The ability to Push/Pull an Invested object is predicated to the amount/power of the Investiture.

2.) Further, Invested objects also gain resistance to pulling/pushing based on proximity to soul possibly via the soul. An example given is that a Hemalurgic spike touches the blood of the person, and from there is now part of both the Spiritual Realm and the Physical Realm. This provides what Brandon termed a kind of "soul interference," based on its proximity to the soul.

This further explains why Vin required more than normal power to Push/Pull the metalminds from the Lord Ruler, because of their proximity to his soul, via the Spiritual Realm.

3.) The amount of Investiture is relatively low on Scadrial, whereas worlds like Sel and Roshar are pushing around "high power" according to Brandon. I interpreted this to mean that Hemalurgic spikes and metalminds have low amounts of Investiture compared to Shardplate and Shardblades.

Brandon said that theoretically you can Push/Pull Shardblades and Shardplates but you would need to wield an incredible amount of power. One example he gave that could so such as a thing is that if you were a Mistborn wielding the full power of the Well of Ascension, you could Push/Pull Shardblades/Plate.

DragonCon 2012 (Sept. 4, 2012)

 

5 hours ago, Deception said:

Also, insane idea here - Surgebinders have infinite or at least huge amounts of constantly replenishing Stormlight while within the Highstorm or near Honor's Perpendicularity. What happens if a Surgebinder burns Duraluminum and uses a surge while constantly getting their Stormlight replenished, so they cannot run out? Theoretically, could they for example make a mile-wide crater by using Division + Duraluminum in a Highstorm, or Lash the whole planet with lashings, or something else insane?

They would run out of duralumin pretty fast. They wouldn't be albe to make such a destructive things. Lashing a whole planet requires a Shardic level of power. 

[PanLin they/he]

5 hours ago, Deception said:

What would happen if a Radiant or other Surgebinder ate a nugget of Lerasium and gained the ability to burn Duraluminum, then burned it as they used a Surge?

Nice easy WoB for this one:

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Dwarven_Hydra

Would a Duralumin Gnat Surgebinder be able to use duralumin to do a super Surge?

Brandon Sanderson

This (Duralumin+Surgebinding) would work.

General Signed Books 2019 (July 2, 2019)

 

5 hours ago, Deception said:

Also, insane idea here - Surgebinders have infinite or at least huge amounts of constantly replenishing Stormlight while within the Highstorm or near Honor's Perpendicularity. What happens if a Surgebinder burns Duraluminum and uses a surge while constantly getting their Stormlight replenished, so they cannot run out? Theoretically, could they for example make a mile-wide crater by using Division + Duraluminum in a Highstorm, or Lash the whole planet with lashings, or something else insane?

So duralumin only catalyses the Investiture already inside the person burning it. Someone attempting this would need enough duralumin to last while they constantly breathe in more Stormlight. I don't even know if they would be able to absorb it fast enough to keep up.

As for the effects, similar to savantism and compounding, bypassing the safety rails like this is just as likely to kill the person attempting it as it is to create some super impressive displays of power.

Unless, of course, you get lucky and the wildly increased amount of Honor's Investiture inside you just forcibly ascends you as Honor's vessel.

[Nitpicking]

I question whether a Radiant could use Lerasium, though. It's the God Metal of the wrong Shard. It might be hard to be Connected strongly to both Honor/Odium and Preservation/Harmony).

I'd bet money Brandon would say that it's possible to do this, but difficult because different Investitures oppose each other.