LG 111 - Day 3: Shots Fired

[Fizz9]

I believe Star. I think that Doc is working with Fallen, OR Doc got someone else to follow Fallen, OR somehow he found another role blocker person to roleblock Star. Why would he do this?

Me, Doc, and Star are the only ones that could have the gun, Doc was seemingly cleared, leaving me and Star.

I should be the most suspicious right now, not saying vote me, don't, but Doc pushed aside my action in favor of Star. This could be natural, no one said to have roleblocked Star. Unless he wants Star dead. This would mean that Doc got someone to follow Fallen, roleblocked Star, drawing immense attention to Star, knowing that no one was going to claim to have roleblocked her, no one did, it was Doc. Doc could easily draw attention to that, and kill Star. I think that Doc somehow was able to do this, and want's Star dead.

Doc12

@Doc12 @Through The Living Star @Miss Fallen

Edited April 26 by Fizz9

[Conure1243 He/Him]

I still believe it may be Fizz9.

Though that's subject to change. They're being very honest that they even admit that they themselves seem suspicious.

Granted, I suppose that's the case for everybody.

[Fizz9]

 

VOTES:

Doc12 (1): Fizz

Star (1):  Doc12

Quan: (1): ___/Mippo

 

(red bold name means most likely to have the gun, anyone could have the gun now though)

Tell me if I got something wrong!

[___ He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Fizz9 said:

 

VOTES:

Doc12 (1): Fizz

Star (1):  Doc12

Quan: (1): ___/Mippo

 

(red bold name means most likely to have the gun, anyone could have the gun now though)

Tell me if I got something wrong!

Oh wait he can't have the gun oops

Qian Doc

[Through The Living Star She/Her]

7 minutes ago, Fizz9 said:

I believe Star. I think that Doc is working with Fallen, OR Doc got someone else to follow Fallen, OR somehow he found another role blocker person to roleblock Star. Why would he do this?

Me, Doc, and Star are the only ones that could have the gun, Doc was seemingly cleared, leaving me and Star.

I should be the most suspicious right now, not saying vote me, don't, but Doc pushed aside my action in favor of Star. This could be natural, no one said to have roleblocked Star. Unless he wants Star dead. This would mean that Doc got someone to follow Fallen, roleblocked Star, drawing immense attention to Star, knowing that no one was going to claim to have roleblocked her, no one did, it was Doc. Doc could easily draw attention to that, and kill Star. I think that Doc somehow was able to do this, and want's Star dead.

Doc12

@Doc12 @Through The Living Star @Miss Fallen

This... makes a lot of sense.  I have actually been think about a lot of this myself, as I don't know who would want to roleblock me, other than someone who wants extra assurance that they would not be voted out. Plus, Doc told me in a PM before the Night ended that he found me suspicious and was planning to roleblock me. This was before Miss came up with her plan, but then he said that he reserves the right to continue with his plan if not all agree. Everyone did agree, but it would be really smart to have someone else follow Miss, saving Doc from suspicion. Then, I was roleblocked, immediately putting suspicion on me. I know I was roleblocked, and I seriously can't think of anyone else who would want to do that, besides Fizz, and he got lost, meaning he couldn't have roleblocked me. 

Doc12

VOTES:

Doc12 (3): Fizz, Star, Mippo/___

Star (1):  Doc12

 

[Fizz9]

VOTES:

Doc12 (3): Fizz, Star, Mippo/___

Star (1):  Doc12

Fizz (1): Conure1234

Edited April 26 by Fizz9

[Doc12]

Sigh. Any activity is good activity, I suppose?

54 minutes ago, Fizz9 said:

I believe Star. I think that Doc is working with Fallen, OR Doc got someone else to follow Fallen, OR somehow he found another role blocker person to roleblock Star. Why would he do this?

Me, Doc, and Star are the only ones that could have the gun, Doc was seemingly cleared, leaving me and Star.

I should be the most suspicious right now, not saying vote me, don't, but Doc pushed aside my action in favor of Star. This could be natural, no one said to have roleblocked Star. Unless he wants Star dead. This would mean that Doc got someone to follow Fallen, roleblocked Star, drawing immense attention to Star, knowing that no one was going to claim to have roleblocked her, no one did, it was Doc. Doc could easily draw attention to that, and kill Star. I think that Doc somehow was able to do this, and want's Star dead.

Doc12

@Doc12 @Through The Living Star @Miss Fallen

What you're saying implies a level of coordination that I'm not sure can be achieved in a single elim mode. 

1) What benefit does Fallen have to lie for me? She was the one suspicious of me last turn.

2) Who could I have convinced to follow Fallen in my stead that would not immediately have accused me of lying?

I'm fine with you voting on me, if you can answer these questions. 

Why am I voting for Star instead of you?

I pushed aside your action in favor of Star because getting lost was an action that could happen on your own. Getting roleblocked isn't. There's no way to verify if you actually got lost. There is a very simple way to verify if Star got roleblocked, which is for the person who blocked them to say so. 

  

41 minutes ago, Through The Living Star said:

This... makes a lot of sense.  I have actually been think about a lot of this myself, as I don't know who would want to roleblock me, other than someone who wants extra assurance that they would not be voted out. Plus, Doc told me in a PM before the Night ended that he found me suspicious and was planning to roleblock me. This was before Miss came up with her plan, but then he said that he reserves the right to continue with his plan if not all agree. Everyone did agree, but it would be really smart to have someone else follow Miss, saving Doc from suspicion. Then, I was roleblocked, immediately putting suspicion on me. I know I was roleblocked, and I seriously can't think of anyone else who would want to do that, besides Fizz, and he got lost, meaning he couldn't have roleblocked me. 

Same question for Star - Who could I have gotten to follow Fallen for me, or why would Fallen lie for me? 

44 minutes ago, ___ said:

Oh wait he can't have the gun oops

Qian Doc

...Why? Also didn't understand your vote on Qian either. There is a chance for people to find clues outside of the current scenario, if you read the rules. 

 

Sure, you can vote on me, but can you not understand my logic here? I'm using the same logic I used last turn, which is between Fizz getting lost and Star getting roleblocked, which is more likely to be a lie, and which can be verified? 

Edited April 26 by Doc12

[Fizz9]

1 minute ago, Doc12 said:

What you're saying implies a level of coordination that I'm not sure can be achieved in a single elim mode. What benefit does Fallen have to lie for me?

Not necessarily her, it could be someone else to follow her.

1 minute ago, Doc12 said:

Who could I have convinced to follow Fallen in my stead that would not immediately have accused me of lying?

I don't have names, but if I got the promise to not be killed by a person, I would most likely take it.

2 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I pushed aside your action in favor of Star because getting lost was an action that could happen on your own. Getting roleblocked isn't. There's no way to verify if you actually got lost. There is a very simple way to verify if Star got roleblocked, which is for the person who blocked them to say so. 

This could be, but, for the points I have already started, I believe that this was planned. I could be wrong, but this is what I think right now.

[Through The Living Star She/Her]

12 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Same question for Star - Who could I have gotten to follow Fallen for me, or why would Fallen lie for me? 

So, my thing is that I know I got roleblocked. I've thought about this a lot, and I seriously can't think of any reason for someone outside of the group of us that voted for mist to roleblock me. We had a simple, decisive way to determine who was safe and who wasn't. This would give anyone outside of the group an easy way to see who to vote. However, if someone were to want an easy way to make sure that suspicion wasn't placed on them, they would just have to make sure that another person was more suspicious. Thus, me getting roleblocked. I don't know who would follow Fallen for you, but I do know that I got roleblocked, and above is my logic about that. 

If you do want to speak your side, I am willing to listen. @Doc12

Edited April 26 by Through The Living Star

[Doc12]

6 minutes ago, Through The Living Star said:

So, my thing is that I know I got roleblocked. I've thought about this a lot, and I seriously can't think of any reason for someone outside of the group of us that voted for mist to roleblock me. We had a simple, decisive way to determine who was safe and who wasn't. This would give anyone outside of the group an easy way to see who to vote. However, if someone were to want an easy way to make sure that suspicion wasn't placed on them, they would just have to make sure that another person was more suspicious. Thus, me getting roleblocked. 

If you do want to speak your side, I am willing to listen. @Doc12

Deep sigh

Agreed. We had a simple, decisive way to account for everyone's actions last night. 

Therefore, there should be no reason anyone roleblocked any of us last night. 

I do have a roleblock, I have already admitted as much to you, Fizz, and Mint. But I did not use it because Fallen convinced me her plan was sound. No one should have interfered with the plan, and to be honest, I don't think anyone did. 

Your theory requires that I convince either Miss to lie for me, when she has already been suspicious of me last two rounds, or for me to convince someone else to take my place, a request that I have no way to force someone to do or trust that they'll keep secret? 

Let's actually look at this. If I asked you to follow Fallen for me, would you have? Fizz says I could have threatened to kill you/promised not to kill you. But I have no way of actually making you do what I asked, you could just have not followed Fallen and I wouldn't have known until this morning. And you would have announced what I did last night and exed me. 

So that's a terrible plan from all angles. 

I am voting on you, Star, because you and Fizz have actions that are unaccounted for. I cannot verify that Fizz got lost. That's a 1/5 chance of happening. I can verify if someone roleblocked you if someone claims/doesn't claim. I am voting on what is able to be verified, not theories that require a lot of other players to make work. 

 

[Fizz9]

2 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Deep sigh

Agreed. We had a simple, decisive way to account for everyone's actions last night. 

Therefore, there should be no reason anyone roleblocked any of us last night. 

I do have a roleblock, I have already admitted as much to you, Fizz, and Mint. But I did not use it because Fallen convinced me her plan was sound. No one should have interfered with the plan, and to be honest, I don't think anyone did. 

Your theory requires that I convince either Miss to lie for me, when she has already been suspicious of me last two rounds, or for me to convince someone else to take my place, a request that I have no way to force someone to do or trust that they'll keep secret? 

Let's actually look at this. If I asked you to follow Fallen for me, would you have? Fizz says I could have threatened to kill you/promised not to kill you. But I have no way of actually making you do what I asked, you could just have not followed Fallen and I wouldn't have known until this morning. And you would have announced what I did last night and exed me. 

So that's a terrible plan from all angles. 

I am voting on you, Star, because you and Fizz have actions that are unaccounted for. I cannot verify that Fizz got lost. That's a 1/5 chance of happening. I can verify if someone roleblocked you if someone claims/doesn't claim. I am voting on what is able to be verified, not theories that require a lot of other players to make work. 

 

If you had the gun, and Miss was making a plan to completly prove that you had the gun, wouldn't you become desprite? Think of a better plan that what I said, assuming you had the gun. I can think of nothing.

This is the best theory I can come up with, and as such, I stand by it. I would be willing to change my vote, but no evidence that I can count on is better that what I have.

 

Still:

Doc12 (3): Fizz, Star, Mippo/___

Star (1):  Doc12

Fizz (1): Conure1234

[Doc12]

4 minutes ago, Fizz9 said:

If you had the gun, and Miss was making a plan to completly prove that you had the gun, wouldn't you become desprite? Think of a better plan that what I said, assuming you had the gun. I can think of nothing.

This is the best theory I can come up with, and as such, I stand by it. I would be willing to change my vote, but no evidence that I can count on is better that what I have.

 

Still:

Doc12 (3): Fizz, Star, Mippo/___

Star (1):  Doc12

Fizz (1): Conure1234

Fizz. I just had a thought that completely disproves this theory. One action per turn.

If I had roleblocked someone, then I couldn't have shot someone. And I would be dead. 

Unless you now think I got 1 player to follow Miss and a 2nd player to roleblock Star so I could shoot Mint?

Edited April 26 by Doc12

[Fizz9]

Just now, Doc12 said:

Unless you now think I got 1 player to follow Mist and a 2nd player to roleblock Star so I could shoot Mint?

Yes, this is what I was thinking originally, I think I have forgotten about this, but yes this is what I was thinking originally.

Wait, Mist? I thought you followed Fallen?

[Doc12]

7 minutes ago, Fizz9 said:

Yes, this is what I was thinking originally, I think I have forgotten about this, but yes this is what I was thinking originally.

Wait, Mist? I thought you followed Fallen?

Mist and Miss are one letter off, give me a break  I was calling Fallen Miss from last game. 

I am just kind of in shock that you think I'm capable of making not 1, but 2 players do what I'm asking  Again. Your theory requires me to get one player to follow Miss Fallen. And to find another player with roleblock that can block Star. Both of whom do not immediately turn me in for the chance to get the gun/be a hero. 

Let's talk about points of verification. The reason I am voting on Star instead of you is because

You getting lost - no one can verify this except the GM, who will not. 0 way to verify

Star getting roleblocked - one person can claim they roleblocked Star, which will verify that she told the truth, at which point I will not suspect her anymore. 1 way to verify.

Me with that plan - there would be 2 players who can at any point say this is what I did. Your plan requires two players to be silent this whole time about this plan when at any point they could have accused me. 2 potential people to verify. Why haven't these two players confessed yet? They have nothing to gain from hiding me?

Your theory is even more easily verified than my theory. All that needs to happen is for 1 or both of these hypothetical village traitors to confess. They would face 0 repercussions because I won't have the gun next turn, and they get the chance to be hero/have the gun by voting on me. 

My theory requires one person to verify that they blocked Star. Also very simple, and the fact that no one has claimed that except potentially Akimiko who just hasn't seemed active makes me suspicious that she made it up because I had told her last round that if I roleblocked her and she had the gun, she would die, which gave her the idea of claiming roleblock to prove she couldn't have had the gun.

Edited April 26 by Doc12

[Verdance he/him]

Wait why is everyone voting Doc?

if he’s an elim i feel like we wouldn’t know it to be honest. 

Edited April 26 by Verdance

[Doc12]

Just now, Verdance said:

Wait why is everyone voting Doc?

if he’s an elim i feel like we wouldn’t know it tbh :3

Fallen confirmed I followed her last night. 

So Fizz thinks that I

1) convinced some other player to follow Fallen

2) found a player who admitted they had roleblock and convinced them to block Star

3) shot Mint

And none of those 2 players who I allegedly threatened are willing to confess this. 

Star's voting me because she has to to save herself

Mippo's voting me because...? 

[Fizz9]

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Wait why is everyone voting Doc?

if he’s an elim i feel like we wouldn’t know it to be honest. 

My theory:

 

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, Doc12 said:

Fallen confirmed I followed her last night. 

So Fizz thinks that I

1) convinced some other player to follow Fallen

2) found a player who admitted they had roleblock and convinced them to block Star

3) shot Mint

And none of those 2 players who I allegedly threatened are willing to confess this. 

Star's voting me because she has to to save herself

Mippo's voting me because...? 

Okay. That about clears it up. I might as well go Fizz due to suspiciously bad logic.

[Miss Fallen she/her]

Currently there’s a lot of suspicion on Doc and Star. 
With regards to Doc, I believed he might have the butler’s gift (and the gun) which would protect him from not firing. This would also allow him to take a different action. However, this theory was wrong, as confirmed by Araris in a PM. For clarity, I’m getting it out here in thread too. @Araris Valerian @coco.pudding Can the butlers gift (in scenario 2) protect from not firing the gun?
So yeah, I don’t think doc has the gun, and it’s inconclusive as to who has the gift; I can’t get info from the dead players and this is probably better off left secret anyways

With regards to Star, Akimiko is the only possibility left for the roleblock. Claiming roleblock over getting lost(like fizz) seems unexpected and convenient, so for now I’m leaning towards Star. 

Edited April 27 by Miss Fallen
Pinged coco

[Fizz9]

Votes:

Doc12 (3): Fizz, Star, Mippo/___

Star (2):  Doc12, Miss Fallen

Fizz (2): Conure1234, Verdance

Edited April 26 by Fizz9

[___ He/Him]

1 hour ago, Doc12 said:

Fallen confirmed I followed her last night. 

So Fizz thinks that I

1) convinced some other player to follow Fallen

2) found a player who admitted they had roleblock and convinced them to block Star

3) shot Mint

And none of those 2 players who I allegedly threatened are willing to confess this. 

Star's voting me because she has to to save herself

Mippo's voting me because...? 

I don't really have a reason other than like there's a train going

I'm not the most interested in the game rn

[Conure1243 He/Him]

I'm starting to become convinced.

Fine, let's do this, I guess.

Fizz9, Doc12

[Doc12]

Ugh. @StrikerEZ @Qianweilian care to weigh in? It looks like me, the one player who actually fulfilled the plan put forth last night and cannot have had the gun, is somehow the one who is most suspicious to everyone. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

49 minutes ago, Miss Fallen said:

Currently there’s a lot of suspicion on Doc and Star. 
With regards to Doc, I believed he might have the butler’s gift (and the gun) which would protect him from not firing. This would also allow him to take a different action. However, this theory was wrong, as confirmed by Araris in a PM. For clarity, I’m getting it out here in thread too. @Araris Valerian @coco.pudding Can the butlers gift (in scenario 2) protect from not firing the gun?
So yeah, I don’t think doc has the gun, and it’s inconclusive as to who has the gift; I can’t get info from the dead players and this is probably better off left secret anyways

With regards to Star, Akimiko is the only possibility left for the roleblock. Claiming roleblock over getting lost(like fizz) seems unexpected and convenient, so for now I’m leaning towards Star. 

Nope. The Gun eats you if you don't shoot it, and the scenario 2 gift only redirects a bullet.

[Miss Fallen she/her]

1 minute ago, Araris Valerian said:

Nope. The Gun eats you if you don't shoot it, and the scenario 2 gift only redirects a bullet.

We know doc cant have used the gift to save himself. Plus, Doc would’ve had to convince 2 people to do his bidding(one to roleblock star, one to follow me) in order to shoot mint. Only Akimiko has been offline since Friday, and anyone else only has benefits to admit they did what doc asked. Since no one has done so, despite the benefits of confirming doc an elim, it’s extremely unlikely this happened.

Our real contenders right now are Fizz and Star. The likelihood of getting roleblocked is much lower than that of getting lost, so it’s probably star, but either is more likely than doc