Myst He/Him Posted April 22 Posted April 22 (edited) I’m gonna keep this short, I have practice. I did follow Star, and if she’s claiming otherwise either she’s the one doing a reaction test or lying. If it’s a reaction test, then I feel like you’ve gotten a reaction test, but otherwise Star If it’s not a reaction test, I see no reason for you to lie other than if you’re Elim. I’ll be back in like 2 hours though to check up on the thread edit: oh, and @Doc12 I’m actually pretty confident you didn’t get a message saying you got followed Edited April 22 by Mist.
Conure1243 He/Him Posted April 22 Posted April 22 (edited) I'll hold out from voting, as I'm not very sure I know enough for me to place it on somebody already Edited April 22 by Conure1243
Mint11 she/her Posted April 23 Posted April 23 I followed @Doc12 and can confirm that he's being honest about his exploration claim. He saved Striker so I wanted to look into that. 1 hour ago, Doc12 said: Star says Araris did not mention she was followed in her GM PM. did this happen in a PM? I'm not seeing anything like that in thread 1 hour ago, Fizz9 said: So I might have forgot to submit my action until after the deadline. I know everyone is going to think I'm lying but I'm not kidding. I got so mad . once I forgot to take my action on the last turn of a game and would've won if I did. so it could be worse 38 minutes ago, Verdance said: I agree. I will hold off on voting this round, im not fully convinced, but the only person that jumps out to me as suspicious is Star for now. 5 minutes ago, Conure1243 said: I'll hold out from voting, as I'm not very sure I know enough for me to place it on somebody already you should play however feels best to you, but I will argue that voting gives the village important info to sus people out because it's a concrete action you can't take back. everything else is up in the air because you never know when someone is lying. people are rarely 100% sure in a game, and even when they are, they're still wrong sometimes. I think voting on the wrong person sometimes is just a necessary evil for these games just something to think about, but with all that said, I definitely don't wanna pressure anyone to vote if they're not comfortable 35 minutes ago, Mist. said: edit: oh, and @Doc12 I’m actually pretty confident you didn’t get a message saying you got followed very curious about why you felt skeptical about this
Doc12 Posted April 23 Posted April 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, StrikerEZ said: I think I’m going to vote for Star here. I thought I remembered there being something weird as I was reading through all the exploration claims last night. I was just too tired to notice exactly what. Do you think you could elaborate what stood out to you? 16 minutes ago, Frozen Mint said: I followed @Doc12 and can confirm that he's being honest about his exploration claim. He saved Striker so I wanted to look into that. did this happen in a PM? I'm not seeing anything like that in thread once I forgot to take my action on the last turn of a game and would've won if I did. so it could be worse you should play however feels best to you, but I will argue that voting gives the village important info to sus people out because it's a concrete action you can't take back. everything else is up in the air because you never know when someone is lying. people are rarely 100% sure in a game, and even when they are, they're still wrong sometimes. I think voting on the wrong person sometimes is just a necessary evil for these games just something to think about, but with all that said, I definitely don't wanna pressure anyone to vote if they're not comfortable very curious about why you felt skeptical about this Yes, it was a PM conversation. Star said Araris didn't say anything about her being followed. I told her I got confirmation, and she said she asked Araris if she would have been told if she was followed. Again, this read as genuine to me, both her relief at someone confirming her story, her saying that she specifically checked with the GM if she should have received a notification, all that. Also @Verdance @Conure1243 @Fizz9 Seconding what Mint is saying here. We make our guesses and deal with the consequences. Every vote is information for the village, and we win by getting more information. It might get you suspected, or even executed, but we solve the game by all putting in our guesses! The thing is, like Mist said, this is objectively a silly thing for an Elim to lie about, as it can be directly contradicted by your target/pursuer. It's also silly for E!Star to put herself back in the spotlight and throw suspicion on the person that was confirming her N0 exploration. This isn't a 'I followed you to the dead person' accusation where one must be elim, its something that Star could have just admitted she was mistaken or Mist could have claimed to have lied about his action. So. Full list of claimed actions. Clue hunters: Doc - Rithmatic defense - unique to 2 Fallen - Jeskeri paphernalia - unique to 1 Star - Voidlight gem - 2 and 3 Mippo - Voidlight gem - 2 and 3 Akimiko - Bullet casing - 1 and 2 Striker - Spike - 1 and 3 Other claimed actions: Qian - found boot Ver - found boot Mist - followed star Mint - followed Doc Conure - did nothing Fizz - did nothing At least one person is lying. I trust Mint slightly more since so far no one else has claimed to follow me. (There's a paranoid part of me that thinks it might have been Dive who followed me and Mint is just lying, but Occam's razor for now) The big discrepancy is whether Mist actually did follow Star. Again. Weird action to pick to lie about. We're still unsure what scenario we're in, but if we are in 2... Still unsure who would lie. Elim might want to claim a scenario 1 clue like Fallen or Striker, or blend in with the 2 claims like Mippo and Star. I think Mippo seems a little clearer since he clarified some misunderstanding about what clue he actually got. Anyone else had any other thoughts? Edited April 23 by Doc12
Verdance he/him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 32 minutes ago, Doc12 said: Do you think you could elaborate what stood out to you? Yes, it was a PM conversation. Star said Araris didn't say anything about her being followed. I told her I got confirmation, and she said she asked Araris if she would have been told if she was followed. Again, this read as genuine to me, both her relief at someone confirming her story, her saying that she specifically checked with the GM if she should have received a notification, all that. Also @Verdance @Conure1243 @Fizz9 Seconding what Mint is saying here. We make our guesses and deal with the consequences. Every vote is information for the village, and we win by getting more information. It might get you suspected, or even executed, but we solve the game by all putting in our guesses! The thing is, like Mist said, this is objectively a silly thing for an Elim to lie about, as it can be directly contradicted by your target/pursuer. It's also silly for E!Star to put herself back in the spotlight and throw suspicion on the person that was confirming her N0 exploration. This isn't a 'I followed you to the dead person' accusation where one must be elim, its something that Star could have just admitted she was mistaken or Mist could have claimed to have lied about his action. So. Full list of claimed actions. Clue hunters: Doc - Rithmatic defense - unique to 2 Fallen - Jeskeri paphernalia - unique to 1 Star - Voidlight gem - 2 and 3 Mippo - Voidlight gem - 2 and 3 Akimiko - Bullet casing - 1 and 2 Striker - Spike - 1 and 3 Other claimed actions: Qian - found boot Ver - found boot Mist - followed star Mint - followed Doc Conure - did nothing Fizz - did nothing At least one person is lying. I trust Mint slightly more since so far no one else has claimed to follow me. (There's a paranoid part of me that thinks it might have been Dive who followed me and Mint is just lying, but Occam's razor for now) The big discrepancy is whether Mist actually did follow Star. Again. Weird action to pick to lie about. We're still unsure what scenario we're in, but if we are in 2... Still unsure who would lie. Elim might want to claim a scenario 1 clue like Fallen or Striker, or blend in with the 2 claims like Mippo and Star. I think Mippo seems a little clearer since he clarified some misunderstanding about what clue he actually got. Anyone else had any other thoughts? Yes but last time i was voted out because i hopped on vote trains, so I’ve sat out the first two (and likely will the third).
Myst He/Him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frozen Mint said: very curious about why you felt skeptical about this I didn’t think you were skeptical enough of him to follow him(it’s not the impression I got of you the last two days) and you were the only person who hadn’t claimed. And I didn’t follow Doc, so my reasoning was that in a scenario 2, it made no sense for anyone to lie about that if Star’s Elim. If that makes sense. Basically, I didnt follow him, and I didn’t think you would, so I thought he was reactionary testing Edited April 23 by Mist. Have to hadn’t
Stardust She/Her Posted April 23 Posted April 23 30 minutes ago, Frozen Mint said: did this happen in a PM? I'm not seeing anything like that in thread Yes, I did ask it in my GM PM, as I wanted to be sure the rules meant what I thought they meant. When I had confirmation, I checked again to be sure, as I not want to accuse anyone unjustly. Unfortunately, I did notice some discrepancies between what the GMs said and what Mist said. I've kind of given up hope that I will survive this round, so at least when I die and you see I was a villager, I hope you realize I was telling the truth. I wish nothing more that I could claim it was all a misunderstanding, and that I misread it. But after re-reading it for the probably sixth time, I can't see any other option or truth. I checked the rules, and asked the GMs, and re read everything again just to make sure. But everything points to the same thing. I was not followed last night. Please don't get me wrong. I am not saying that I know for a fact that Mist is an elim or anything like that. The only thing that I am saying is that I know for a one hundred percent surety that I was not followed last night. I will make this one plea for my life. I do not expect it to be believed, but I will say it nonetheless: Why would I lie about this? I had just been cleared by one of the people that was most against me. No one was more excited about that than I was. Then I noticed this. If I was an elim, why would I bring this to light? This will most likely get me executed, so why would I do this? Why would I make it so that I am back in the spotlight, rather than in the background if I was an elim? Beyond that, this is such a stupid thing to die for. If it does turn out that Mist has been lying, that does not necessarily mean that he is an elim. Why on earth would I let myself die for this? I just hope that if I do die, you will think it about what I said and maybe believe it. That is all I'm going to say, if anyone has any further questions, please feel free to ask. 1
Myst He/Him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 I’m going over the exploration and scenario rules right now, and I don’t think any of them could have cause this. A protect shouldn’t affect exploration, a Roleblock could, but then I wouldn’t have gotten my results from searching back, so it can’t be that. I don’t have an Aviar, so that shoudnt matter. As for the scenario roles/gifts it’s just vote manip and the NK. Neither of those should produce this. With the items we can get from exploration, those shouldn’t have been able to apply anyways. Plus no one searched for them. I’m throughly confused, because this should not be happening. As an Elim, this is a terrible move from either of us. But it doesn’t make sense otherwise.
Fizz9 Posted April 23 Posted April 23 I believe Star. Her arguments are solid. I am going to wait to vote until we have more information.
___ He/Him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 Looking over these, I don't like how quickly Mist jumped on the star train Completely on vibes, but seems like a good way to direct attention away from oneself Sighhh this is gonna look so bad if star turns out to be elim.
Myst He/Him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ___ said: Looking over these, I don't like how quickly Mist jumped on the star train Completely on vibes, but seems like a good way to direct attention away from oneself Sighhh this is gonna look so bad if star turns out to be elim. You mean the train that only exists because Star’s and I’s GM PMs don’t seem to match? Edit: I’m not saying you shouldn’t vote me, you probably should vote one of Star and I, I’m just saying that that reasoning doesn’t make sense Edited April 23 by Mist.
Mint11 she/her Posted April 23 Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Doc12 said: Yes, it was a PM conversation. Star said Araris didn't say anything about her being followed. I told her I got confirmation, and she said she asked Araris if she would have been told if she was followed. Again, this read as genuine to me, both her relief at someone confirming her story, her saying that she specifically checked with the GM if she should have received a notification, all that. if this is the case, I think it's more likely that Mist lied. e!Mist could easily have killed dive and claimed to follow a player they could reasonably guess was telling the truth (since they'd know star was village). seems more likely that e!Mist forgot a rule than e!star either saying she didn't get confirmation when asked point blank (assuming that's how the PM went?). like I feel like that could prompt e!star to check the rules if they forgot there's also a sliver of a chance that e!star was thinking of dropping out of the game, the elims saw doc catch this discrepancy, and then they came up with this plan to make e!mist look good. they'd have to be taking advantage of a hell of a specific circumstance though I'll look over everything if I get a chance tomorrow
___ He/Him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 18 minutes ago, Mist. said: You mean the train that only exists because Star’s and I’s GM PMs don’t seem to match? Edit: I’m not saying you shouldn’t vote me, you probably should vote one of Star and I, I’m just saying that that reasoning doesn’t make sense Just vibes man Either one could be lying, I'm just going with you
Doc12 Posted April 23 Posted April 23 19 minutes ago, Frozen Mint said: if this is the case, I think it's more likely that Mist lied. e!Mist could easily have killed dive and claimed to follow a player they could reasonably guess was telling the truth (since they'd know star was village). seems more likely that e!Mist forgot a rule than e!star either saying she didn't get confirmation when asked point blank (assuming that's how the PM went?). like I feel like that could prompt e!star to check the rules if they forgot there's also a sliver of a chance that e!star was thinking of dropping out of the game, the elims saw doc catch this discrepancy, and then they came up with this plan to make e!mist look good. they'd have to be taking advantage of a hell of a specific circumstance though I'll look over everything if I get a chance tomorrow At the very least, I don't believe in an e!Mist/e!Star team. I didn't confront Star - I was just asking if she had anything she'd want to share, and she brought up the discrepancy herself that she didn't get a notification that she was followed. I then went to Mist and said I caught someone in a lie, and he didn't know what I was talking about until I spelled it out. So I don't think there was communication there. Also, asked you this in PM, but curious re: your reasoning for following me. Why is me not voting for Striker suspicious to you?
Myst He/Him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 I don’t know if I explained myself from my point of view(most of it is probably here, but I don’t think all of it is. I know I explained it to Doc in PMs though) Alright: I was suspicious of Star, I didn’t like the timing of some of her votes, and as such I followed her N1. What I got back at the beginning of D2 was that she had explored the middle floor N0. I was at first a little confused when Doc told me Star said she didn’t get the thing about her being followed. Because I knew she had gotten it, and because of her reaction to my post saying I followed her. From what Doc told me, she seemed to bring it up herself and had double checked everything in her GM PM, and when Star and I were talking, I was also getting V!vibes from her. As I’ve mentioned(or, Doc mentioned that I mentioned) this is a terrible thing for either of us to lie about, if I was going to fake a claim, I could have said I got lost searching for her(it’s a 20% chance) or I got a clue(those are almost impossible to verify), as for her, it draws attention to herself unnecessarily, no one was under scrutiny, so it couldn’t have been to protect anyone, and in a scenario 2, that wouldn’t even mattered because there’s only one killer at a time in FFA. I did double check with Araris and I am interpreting my PM correctly. And neither GM has clarified anything, so it’s not a GM mistake(i.e. if I got lost and based Star’s PM off of that, and then told me where Star got searched) When I was looking over the rules, none of the items, scenario rules or the exploration rules could have caused this. So I don’t think Star is Elim, but she has to be, but it doesn’t make sense because this entire thing should not be happening. I thought maybe that Star was doing a reaction test or maybe she had misunderstood, but neither of those seem to be happening. And I’m not sure what’s happening, but I’m going to take my vote off of Star for now. Because this entire thing makes no sense. VC: Mist (2): Mint, Mippo/____ Star (2): Striker, Doc As a side note, this is a tie, so how people react will be helpful —————— Brax flipped the top card and sighed in relief. Balance. All was right again.
Fizz9 Posted April 23 Posted April 23 @Through The Living Star, can you do what Mist did just now and explain what happened from your POV? 1
Stardust She/Her Posted April 23 Posted April 23 I did here: 2 hours ago, Through The Living Star said: Yes, I did ask it in my GM PM, as I wanted to be sure the rules meant what I thought they meant. When I had confirmation, I checked again to be sure, as I not want to accuse anyone unjustly. Unfortunately, I did notice some discrepancies between what the GMs said and what Mist said. I've kind of given up hope that I will survive this round, so at least when I die and you see I was a villager, I hope you realize I was telling the truth. I wish nothing more that I could claim it was all a misunderstanding, and that I misread it. But after re-reading it for the probably sixth time, I can't see any other option or truth. I checked the rules, and asked the GMs, and re read everything again just to make sure. But everything points to the same thing. I was not followed last night. Please don't get me wrong. I am not saying that I know for a fact that Mist is an elim or anything like that. The only thing that I am saying is that I know for a one hundred percent surety that I was not followed last night. I will make this one plea for my life. I do not expect it to be believed, but I will say it nonetheless: Why would I lie about this? I had just been cleared by one of the people that was most against me. No one was more excited about that than I was. Then I noticed this. If I was an elim, why would I bring this to light? This will most likely get me executed, so why would I do this? Why would I make it so that I am back in the spotlight, rather than in the background if I was an elim? Beyond that, this is such a stupid thing to die for. If it does turn out that Mist has been lying, that does not necessarily mean that he is an elim. Why on earth would I let myself die for this? I just hope that if I do die, you will think it about what I said and maybe believe it. That is all I'm going to say, if anyone has any further questions, please feel free to ask. If you have any questions or clarification needed, please ask.
Fizz9 Posted April 23 Posted April 23 45 minutes ago, Through The Living Star said: I did here: If you have any questions or clarification needed, please ask. Oh yeah. *facepalm* That was dumb of me.
Mint11 she/her Posted April 23 Posted April 23 10 hours ago, Doc12 said: Also, asked you this in PM, but curious re: your reasoning for following me. Why is me not voting for Striker suspicious to you? sorry, I missed that. basically I was curious to see if anyone would break or change the tie on D1, and you did so I wanted more info on a potential e!Doc/e!Striker situation 9 hours ago, Mist. said: From what Doc told me, she seemed to bring it up herself and had double checked everything in her GM PM, and when Star and I were talking, I was also getting V!vibes from her. As I’ve mentioned(or, Doc mentioned that I mentioned) this is a terrible thing for either of us to lie about, if I was going to fake a claim, I could have said I got lost searching for her(it’s a 20% chance) or I got a clue(those are almost impossible to verify), as for her, it draws attention to herself unnecessarily, no one was under scrutiny, so it couldn’t have been to protect anyone, and in a scenario 2, that wouldn’t even mattered because there’s only one killer at a time in FFA. it's not really a horrible claim for an elim to fake if they forgot that people are notified on being followed, especially in a game with as many potential rules as this one I hope someone convinces us otherwise because I don't want brax to die 1
Akimikoisthecutest Posted April 23 Posted April 23 14 hours ago, Doc12 said: I collected the claims from yesterday again. The only person who didn't claim an exploration N0 is @Akimikoisthecutest Oh, yeah, sorry. I explored the ground floor
StrikerEZ he/him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 I'm starting to think there's a chance this might all be some weird confusion. Because I know I sure as hell am very confused. So I think I'm fine leaving my vote where it is for now and letting the tie decide for me. 1
Stardust She/Her Posted April 23 Posted April 23 34 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: I'm starting to think there's a chance this might all be some weird confusion. Because I know I sure as hell am very confused. So I think I'm fine leaving my vote where it is for now and letting the tie decide for me. Just imagine how confused I am... But can I ask what made me seem suspicious? I'm completely fine with you voting me- to be honest, I would rather let the tie decide it than risk getting out another villager- but I want to know what I did that made you vote for me.
StrikerEZ he/him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 7 minutes ago, Through The Living Star said: Just imagine how confused I am... But can I ask what made me seem suspicious? I'm completely fine with you voting me- to be honest, I would rather let the tie decide it than risk getting out another villager- but I want to know what I did that made you vote for me. It was mostly just vibes based on what other people were saying about the whole predicament. I basically just picked you out of you and Mist because the most recent opinion had been leaning towards you being elim.
Mint11 she/her Posted April 23 Posted April 23 I know its been confirmed in people's PMs but I want this out in the thread considering how weird all this is @Araris Valerian is it possible to be successfully followed by another player without being notified?
Myst He/Him Posted April 23 Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Frozen Mint said: I hope someone convinces us otherwise because I don't want brax to die Ah dang it, you found out my Elim Strat lol, making a Rp character everyone wants to stick around so that they don’t vote me out. In all seriousness though, unless Araris shares something new, I can’t figure it out. I must be missing something, but I’ve gone over my PM, and I’ve gone over the rules, I’ve asked Araris for some clarifications, and I still don’t know how or why this happened.
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