How much extra time did Wayne get?

[strmblsd he/him]

During the final explosion how much was time compressed? What was the ratio? How fast was he moving? I've been thinking about this for a bit and so if he burned all that and it froze everything outside how much time did he get?? 

Pt 2... If say someone who was a fullborn mistborn feruchemist and they had the full strength such as elend did(such as rashek) how much in theory could he compress the time? If he were also a savant of duralumin could he also anchor the speed bubble to himself? Then move with the speed bubble. Could he make the speed bubble small enough that it fit inside his body? That would make it so that outside forces wouldn't break the bubble, then if he were to also compound steel to get speed, iron and pewter to increase mass and body durability, and gold for healing, in theory how fast could we get this one guy to go? And if heat were a problem could he in theory store the heat in a metalmind? And if the heat on the outside would melt his metalminds could he have the metalminds inside his body to make it so that they wouldn't melt?

Sorry that's a lot.. but I've been trying to reach the theoretical max speed in the cosmere.. a few more final thoughts if this person also had nightblood to give access to the surges(specifically gravitation) could they go even faster?

I want to hear other peoples thoughts on my max theoretical speed stuff so please say what you think!! And if you have anything you want to add or change about the current thing to increase the speed or correct anything I said wrong please do so!!

 

Edit: also in theory if they were in space that would eliminate outside forces such as air pressure and stuff, and if they were a radiant and had shardplate like in isles of the ember dark/sixth of the dusk could they also be immune to the effects of being in space?

 

Edit 2: if they used waxs method of slingshotting using compounded iron also would that push it even faster?

Edited February 1 by strmblsd

[First of the Tide He/him]

Wayne might have been FTL? light didn't work right, and he went so fast a Shard couldn't keep up. (TLM Ch. 71)

I think bendalloy savantism locks speed bubbles onto the metalborn.

aaaaand gravitation /iron mass/steel push isn't gonna effect that much

transportation surge operates at speed of light, if that counts... ummmm

[alder24]

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

During the final explosion how much was time compressed? What was the ratio? How fast was he moving? I've been thinking about this for a bit and so if he burned all that and it froze everything outside how much time did he get?? 

We don't know it but he was moving super fast, like close to the speed of light kind of fast. He was so fast that the electrical signal moving through wires moved at the snail's pace from his frame of reference and the explosion of the first barrel was basically frozen in time. Even Harmony was frozen. TLM ch 71:

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God himself froze. Standing motionless.
[...]
It sent electric warnings up the wires—but the box that controlled the detonation was stuck in slow time, the signals moving like molasses.
[...]
He was going so fast, only the first one was exploding, and that because he’d taken the longest to Push it out. The blast was completely halted now.

 

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

Pt 2... If say someone who was a fullborn mistborn feruchemist and they had the full strength such as elend did(such as rashek) how much in theory could he compress the time?

Considering how much bendalloy Wayne had, you don't really need to be a Lerasium Mistborn, just having more bendalloy will produce the same effect. With this you can theoretically keep getting infinitely closer to the speed of light but probably never reach it. 

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

If he were also a savant of duralumin could he also anchor the speed bubble to himself? Then move with the speed bubble. 

Bendalloy and cadmium savants can do it.

Spoiler

Questioner

So my quick question: Can you use Identity (I love the speed bubbles!) to anchor speed bubbles to yourself?

Brandon Sanderson

Uh, this is possible. That's less a matter of Identity. What’s gonna happen there, like, the more someone uses the powers, the more familiar and intermingled with their soul the powers become, and they are able to accomplish things that others can't. This would be like a Mistborn learning to hover a coin, right, which they can do, but most think you can't. That's the sort of level we're going with.

Necarion

So a savant could?

Brandon Sanderson

A savant could totally do that. The problem is, things moving in and out of a speed bubble, there's a transference of energy. This is how we keep speed bubbles from irradiating people when light moves through them, right, red shift. And so there's a transfer of energy directly from the Spiritual Realm, which means that moving with a speed bubble, you're gonna run into that, and it's gonna be, it's gonna cause all kinds of problems, but it would be possible.

Arcanum Unbounded San Francisco signing (Nov. 30, 2016)

 

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

Could he make the speed bubble small enough that it fit inside his body?

Wayne was already able to manipulate the size of the bubble and make it smaller.

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

That would make it so that outside forces wouldn't break the bubble, then if he were to also compound steel to get speed, iron and pewter to increase mass and body durability, and gold for healing, in theory how fast could we get this one guy to go?

Who knows? It's hard to tell how all those things would interact with each other, but with F-steel, F-gold and F-brass you could run very fast. Adding A-bendalloy to it would probably increase how fast you can run, but we don't know how time bubbles would react to running at that speeds with large compression factor - it might be impossible due to reasons explained in the WoB above, even if you make your bubble fit to your body, the air around you still interacts with you in the bubble, thus there is this exchange of energy with the Spiritual Realm that will be problematic.

Spoiler

Questioner (paraphrased)

My friend wants to know how fast steel Compounders could possibly go, can they run up walls or over water like the Flash?

Blightsong (paraphrased)

*jokingly* Can they run through time?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Steelrunners can resist a lot things due to the power, like they can withstand the Gs they are out through, but they can't ignore wind resistance and friction. They will burn up if they start running too quickly.

OdysseyCon 2016 (April 8, 2016)

 

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

And if heat were a problem could he in theory store the heat in a metalmind? And if the heat on the outside would melt his metalminds could he have the metalminds inside his body to make it so that they wouldn't melt?

That should work.

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

Sorry that's a lot.. but I've been trying to reach the theoretical max speed in the cosmere..

We know what it is, it's faster than light speed - Metallic Arts can somehow achieve that. I'm betting it's something similar to the Alcubierre drive, made out of anchored time bubbles. 

Spoiler

Steeldancer (paraphrased)

Have you ever heard of the Alcubierre Drive? 

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Yes, I know about the Alcubierre drive. 

Steeldancer (paraphrased)

So, if we took two speed bubbles--mechanized, because Allomancers aren't powerful enough to pull it off--could we create a functioning Alcubierre drive?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

You are theorizing in the right direction. 

FanX Spring 2019 (April 19, 2019)

 

Spoiler

Eric Peters

You mentioned friday night in #Seattle Allomacy has "FTL" built into it, any more hints you can share on how that would work

Brandon Sanderson

It involves where the lost energy from thermodynamic issues goes in certain Allomantic interactions.

Tor Twitter Chat (Nov. 14, 2011)

 

Spoiler

discipleofhoid (paraphrased)

At the signing I asked Brandon to personalize the book with a suggestion for a unique or rare effect that could be achieved with a metal. He signed

"Watch for what happens when something leaves a bendalloy bubble."

He then laughed and said "That won't make any sense for 10 books"

This leads me to believe that this might be related to the FTL travel.

Miscellaneous 2011 (Nov. 10, 2011)

 

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

a few more final thoughts if this person also had nightblood to give access to the surges(specifically gravitation) could they go even faster?

Yes, add to it Abrasion to negate all friction.

Spoiler

Steeldancer

So if a steel Compounder became an Edgedancer... 

Brandon Sanderson

Oh, here we go. [Audience laughs]

Steeldancer

If a steel Compounder became an Edgedancer, how fast could they go?

Brandon Sanderson

[Dramatic sigh] They could go quite fast. They are not going to ever reach superhero levels of bending reality for speed. So, I will say quick, but not that quick. We aren't outracing an atom bomb, as the Flash periodically does. 

Legion Release Party (Sept. 19, 2018)

 

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

and if they were a radiant and had shardplate like in isles of the ember dark/sixth of the dusk could they also be immune to the effects of being in space?

As long as they have Stormlight to heal lack of oxygen.

9 hours ago, strmblsd said:

Edit 2: if they used waxs method of slingshotting using compounded iron also would that push it even faster?

Theoretically yes, but at this point does it really matters?

[NerdyAarakocra They/Them]

He's compressed time so much inside his bubble that the speed of light outside is comparable to Wayne's normal movement speed inside. He's not technically going FTL because the speed of light inside the time bubble has increased by the same factor; however, to an outside observer, Wayne would be going close to lightspeed (F-Steel and A-Pewter would make him go faster, but the effect would be negligible compared to the massive time dilation). Technically not all the way there because electricity still travels outside of the bubble.