Alehela/Alethela- Isles of the Emberdark + Stormlight

[Rand-Al-Thaidakar]

Hi! This is something I have been thinking about since finishing Isles of the Emberdark, and wanted to share it with y'all to see what you think.

I think it's really interesting that in Isles of the Emberdark, Dajer talks about the Battle of Alehela, and how his lungs were permanently injured due to the sky being set on fire (presumably by the surge of division, similar to the way that Alaswha was made uninhabitable, and caused the mass exodus to Roshar-- but on a smaller scale hopefully). I think it's so interesting because Alehela is only one letter off from Alethela, which was a Silver Kingdom, the predecessor of Alethkar on Roshar. After looking at the Coppermind, it seems to be likely that Alehela is Rosharan settlement, or at least a settlement (wherever it may be) that was founded mainly by Rosharans, because of the symmetrical name and because Dajer mentions that the Scadrians are at war with the Rosharans. I know that there are quite a few Skybreaker worldhoppers, (seen in Mistborn Era 2, in Isles of the Emberdark, and in a different way in The Sunlit Man), so it's not unthinkable that the Battle of Alehela or its division-surge-fire took place on a Rosharan-controlled satellite planet or within the Cognitive Realm in some fashion, but I just think that these pairs of symmetrical names and events could be a clue to something, or that some hidden piece of lore is hiding within there. 

This isn't really a theory or a question, but just something I have been wanting to investigate a little more and hear some of your thoughts on. At the time in which Isles of the Emberdark takes place, Dajer speaks about the Battle of Alehela being within his lifetime, and the Kingdom Alethela would be thousands of years old, even older than it was during Stormlight Era 1, when it was already at least 2,000 years old, so they obviously aren't the same. But the symmetry between the fire at the Battle of Alehela and the fire at the expulsion from Alaswha, alongside the near-symmetricality of the names Alehela and Alethela seem to be hinting at something to me. What do y'all think?

[Grubfriend He/Him]

10 minutes ago, Rand-Al-Thaidakar said:

Hi! This is something I have been thinking about since finishing Isles of the Emberdark, and wanted to share it with y'all to see what you think.

I think it's really interesting that in Isles of the Emberdark, Dajer talks about the Battle of Alehela, and how his lungs were permanently injured due to the sky being set on fire (presumably by the surge of division, similar to the way that Alaswha was made uninhabitable, and caused the mass exodus to Roshar-- but on a smaller scale hopefully). I think it's so interesting because Alehela is only one letter off from Alethela, which was a Silver Kingdom, the predecessor of Alethkar on Roshar. After looking at the Coppermind, it seems to be likely that Alehela is Rosharan settlement, or at least a settlement (wherever it may be) that was founded mainly by Rosharans, because of the symmetrical name and because Dajer mentions that the Scadrians are at war with the Rosharans. I know that there are quite a few Skybreaker worldhoppers, (seen in Mistborn Era 2, in Isles of the Emberdark, and in a different way in The Sunlit Man), so it's not unthinkable that the Battle of Alehela or its division-surge-fire took place on a Rosharan-controlled satellite planet or within the Cognitive Realm in some fashion, but I just think that these pairs of symmetrical names and events could be a clue to something, or that some hidden piece of lore is hiding within there. 

This isn't really a theory or a question, but just something I have been wanting to investigate a little more and hear some of your thoughts on. At the time in which Isles of the Emberdark takes place, Dajer speaks about the Battle of Alehela being within his lifetime, and the Kingdom Alethela would be thousands of years old, even older than it was during Stormlight Era 1, when it was already at least 2,000 years old, so they obviously aren't the same. But the symmetry between the fire at the Battle of Alehela and the fire at the expulsion from Alaswha, alongside the near-symmetricality of the names Alehela and Alethela seem to be hinting at something to me. What do y'all think?

Just so you know, Emberdark is still in its spoiler phase, so anything with Emberdark spoilers should be put in the Emberdark Cosmere section. I reported it, so the admins should move it in a second (The three dots at the top of the post can let you report them. No big deal, but some people like me don't enjoy spoilers too much).

The naming thing could be Roshar calling back to its history as a power move against Scadrial. Mentioning a semi-united planet that worked together that didn't have all the messed up skaa that the Scadrians had would make Roshar look better by comparison. That or some guy just really likes the Silver Kingdoms.

[#1 Taln Fan he/him]

Xiahida is correct. I've moved the topic for you 

[Rand-Al-Thaidakar]

2 hours ago, #1 Taln Fan said:

Xiahida is correct. I've moved the topic for you 

Thanks! Sorry about that!

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

I find it interesting that Dajer has that throat injury, but also mentioned that they had 'Feruchemical Healing Devices' later on. So maybe the battle was so traumatizing, that he internalized the wounds and the Self-Perception limit prevented healing? So, the Malwish don't have the ability to heal those kinds of wounds through Identity hacks even in Space Age?

Also, I find the implication that the Rosharan's are now willing to intentionally pull an Ashyn just to win a battle to be very concerning. Sounds like something a certain newly Ascended double god would do. So chances are, that this could mean that even after Stormlight 10 (which probably takes place well before any of the Secret Projects) that Taravangian is still kicking around, causing problems and being in charge of a large enough army to contend with the Malwish Empire. Though this is all just conjecture and extrapolation.

[+Oltux72 he/him]

On 1/30/2026 at 6:37 AM, JustQuestin2004 said:

I find it interesting that Dajer has that throat injury, but also mentioned that they had 'Feruchemical Healing Devices' later on. So maybe the battle was so traumatizing, that he internalized the wounds and the Self-Perception limit prevented healing? So, the Malwish don't have the ability to heal those kinds of wounds through Identity hacks even in Space Age?

Whoever was fighting Scadrians mus have known that they have feruchemical healing. Therefore they are likely to develop weapons that do spritual damage in order to prevent the healing.

On 1/30/2026 at 6:37 AM, JustQuestin2004 said:

Also, I find the implication that the Rosharan's are now willing to intentionally pull an Ashyn just to win a battle to be very concerning. Sounds like something a certain newly Ascended double god would do. So chances are, that this could mean that even after Stormlight 10 (which probably takes place well before any of the Secret Projects) that Taravangian is still kicking around, causing problems and being in charge of a large enough army to contend with the Malwish Empire. Though this is all just conjecture and extrapolation.

It is a reasonable tactic. If you cannot defend a colony it is better to destroy it in a fighting retreat rather than yield it to an enemy. It takes away the incentive for trying to annex your colonies.
Adolin Kholin would have been able to explain that.

[Frustration]

On 1/29/2026 at 10:37 PM, JustQuestin2004 said:

Also, I find the implication that the Rosharan's are now willing to intentionally pull an Ashyn just to win a battle to be very concerning. Sounds like something a certain newly Ascended double god would do. So chances are, that this could mean that even after Stormlight 10 (which probably takes place well before any of the Secret Projects) that Taravangian is still kicking around, causing problems and being in charge of a large enough army to contend with the Malwish Empire. Though this is all just conjecture and extrapolation.

It's also possible that they figured out how to undo the damage to the planet and so they no longer fear doing it.