Future Fullborn

[Windborn_bolder]

I see a fullborn as a promise with the lordruler. I see 4 people as potential Fulborn Hoid, Sazed, marsh, and Kelsier. 

hoid because he seems to collect magic.

sazed as he could give up the shards and make himself Mistborn like the lordruler

marsh as he currently is the closest to having all 32 powers

Finally kelsier as he helped make the bands of morning 

Who of these four of a fifth option I’m not thinking of do you think would be the most interesting as a fullborn

[sespe14 he/him]

(This does contain spoilers for all of mistborn)

I dont think we know of a way to gain feruchemical powers other than being born with them or through use of hemalurgy, so unless Brandon shows how to, i doubt Hoid will ever become a fullborn since he tries to avoid hemalurgic spikes.

Sazed could theoretically give up Harmony though we know of only one person who ever gave up a shard, which was Vin in the well of ascension with Ruin, and she didnt even fully absorb the power at the moment. Sazed has two shards, so he Is very restricted, and i'm not sure how possible it Is for him to give up Harmony.

Marsh could very well become a fullborn through hemalurgy, though that would leave him very susceptible to however holds Harmony.

Kelsier could probably become a fullborn through hemalurgy maybe? I dont know how cognitive shadows interact with different kinds of investiture magics, though i do know that Kelsier has the inquisitor sight in one eye, so he could also become a hemalurgic fullborn like Marsh.

I also remember a theory that said that manipulating connection between yourself and another misting (which i think could be done through compounding a specific metal or perhaps through bondsmith powers) allowed you to use their powers while the connection lasted

If anything, i think we are going to see a hemalurgic fullborn since it will become more widely known as the eras pass or perhaps through unsealed metalminds. Though with so much time passing one could perfectly be born naturally.

[Trusk'our he/him]

49 minutes ago, sespe14 said:

I dont think we know of a way to gain feruchemical powers other than being born with them or through use of hemalurgy, so unless Brandon shows how to, i doubt Hoid will ever become a fullborn since he tries to avoid hemalurgic spikes.

It is also possible to use Atium and Lerasium to obtain Feruchemy somehow (probably by alloying them together in some way and burning the result).

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Yoitsthew

Would a lerasium/atium alloy create a Feruchemist, rather than an atium misting?? What with the way that it’s an alloy of god metals, and the way that lerasium can be used to acquire other magics? As far as I know there is no lerasium left currently, so this one is also just for my curiosity!!

Brandon Sanderson

You can use the god metals from Scadrial to make a Feruchemist, but I have to RAFO the actual means.

 

49 minutes ago, sespe14 said:

Kelsier could probably become a fullborn through hemalurgy maybe? I dont know how cognitive shadows interact with different kinds of investiture magics, though i do know that Kelsier has the inquisitor sight in one eye, so he could also become a hemalurgic fullborn like Marsh.

Given that Kelsier cannot seem to gain powers from Hemalurgy I find this doubtful.

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Lerasium would have been the easiest way, but it seemed he would have to keep hunting. That gave him hope for himself though. Lerasium wouldn't have worked on him, and Hemalurgy had proven ineffective on what he'd become. It held his soul and body together, but no more.

There had to be another way. He had hope. Ever, he had hope. Hope he could control the metals again. Hope he would be able to soar again. Hope he'd be able to touch the metals he could see in the world all around him.

TLM, pg. 486

 

49 minutes ago, sespe14 said:

Marsh could very well become a fullborn through hemalurgy, though that would leave him very susceptible to however holds Harmony.

I feel like this is the most likely way we'll see a Fullborn next aside from the Bands- he might already be there, even.

It's worth noting that there are also ways a Hemalurgist can help shield from being controlled, such as aluminum helmets, Copperclouds of a sufficient strength, and possibly electrum Compounding as a last-ditch effort.

49 minutes ago, sespe14 said:

(This does contain spoilers for all of mistborn)

You don't have to worry about hiding spoilers for Mistborn books in this forum, as that's what it's designed for.

Edited May 21, 2025 by Trusk'our

[sespe14 he/him]

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21 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

It is also possible to use Atium and Lerasium to obtain Feruchemy somehow (probably by alloying them together in some way and burning the result).

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Yoitsthew

Would a lerasium/atium alloy create a Feruchemist, rather than an atium misting?? What with the way that it’s an alloy of god metals, and the way that lerasium can be used to acquire other magics? As far as I know there is no lerasium left currently, so this one is also just for my curiosity!!

Brandon Sanderson

You can use the god metals from Scadrial to make a Feruchemist, but I have to RAFO the actual means.

 

Ohh, i wasnt aware of that WoB, that certainly seems interesting, if he RAFO'd it, it probably means access to atium and lerasium could become easier, or maybe it Is the product of burning harmonium, since allomancy Is from Preservation, hemalurgy from Ruin and feruchemy from both (you would have to put it through some special process to avoid exploding yourself if thats the case). I wonder what he Is going to do with it

21 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Given that Kelsier cannot seem to gain powers from Hemalurgy I find this doubtful.

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Lerasium would have been the easiest way, but it seemed he would have to keep hunting. That gave him hope for himself though. Lerasium wouldn't have worked on him, and Hemalurgy had proven ineffective on what he'd become. It held his soul and body together, but no more.

There had to be another way. He had hope. Ever, he had hope. Hope he could control the metals again. Hope he would be able to soar again. Hope he'd be able to touch the metals he could see in the world all around him.

TLM, pg. 486

I had forgotten hemalurgy didnt affect him, though he did have the steel sight, right? I could be wrong again though if it he did have it then maybe they could find a way to do it, they are lacking in knowledge of how the powers and investiture work.

Like this WoB shows

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swieczq
Had a hemalurgic spike been encased in aluminium, would it still decay?
 
Brandon Sanderson
Nobody has tried that! (It might work.)

 

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/121/#e5060

Anyways, since i dont know a lot of things bout of cognitive shadows, i'll trust you

 

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25 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

I feel like this is the most likely way we'll see a Fullborn next aside from the Bands- he might already be there, even.

It's worth noting that there are also ways a Hemalurgist can help shield from being controlled, such as aluminum helmets, Copperclouds of a sufficient strength, and possibly electrum Compounding as a last-ditch effort.

I feel like if an aluminium helmet can prevent you from being controlled with hemalurgy becoming widely known and aluminium becoming easy to get and cheap, we are probably get a lot more of compounding, mistborns, twinborns, full feruchemists, and maybe even some fullborns in the next few eras. Probably organizations like the Set would abuse hemalurgy.

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30 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

You don't have to worry about hiding spoilers for Mistborn books in this forum, as that's what it's designed for.

Alright, thanks for letting me know!

[CoderDrag0n8 He/Him]

2 hours ago, sespe14 said:

(This does contain spoilers for all of mistborn)

I dont think we know of a way to gain feruchemical powers other than being born with them or through use of hemalurgy, so unless Brandon shows how to, i doubt Hoid will ever become a fullborn since he tries to avoid hemalurgic spikes.

Sazed could theoretically give up Harmony though we know of only one person who ever gave up a shard, which was Vin in the well of ascension with Ruin, and she didnt even fully absorb the power at the moment. Sazed has two shards, so he Is very restricted, and i'm not sure how possible it Is for him to give up Harmony.

Marsh could very well become a fullborn through hemalurgy, though that would leave him very susceptible to however holds Harmony.

Kelsier could probably become a fullborn through hemalurgy maybe? I dont know how cognitive shadows interact with different kinds of investiture magics, though i do know that Kelsier has the inquisitor sight in one eye, so he could also become a hemalurgic fullborn like Marsh.

I also remember a theory that said that manipulating connection between yourself and another misting (which i think could be done through compounding a specific metal or perhaps through bondsmith powers) allowed you to use their powers while the connection lasted

If anything, i think we are going to see a hemalurgic fullborn since it will become more widely known as the eras pass or perhaps through unsealed metalminds. Though with so much time passing one could perfectly be born naturally.

2 hours ago, sespe14 said:

Sazed could theoretically give up Harmony though we know of only one person who ever gave up a shard, which was Vin in the well of ascension with Ruin, and she didnt even fully absorb the power at the moment. Sazed has two shards, so he Is very restricted, and i'm not sure how possible it Is for him to give up Harmony.

Erm--actually--In secret history, Keliser gave up preservation to Vin

[Windborn_bolder]

I was thinking more narrative than in world

but speaking in world do we know if marsh still has only 22 spikes or if he has more. maybe spooks and Kelsier spike him more times during their experiments.

also could his spikes give him more powers because ruin was supplying the intent

Edited May 29, 2025 by Windborn_bolder

[Denissimo He/him]

What about Wax? He's gotta get more hemlurigc spikes at one point.

[sespe14 he/him]

7 hours ago, Denisimo said:

What about Wax? He's gotta get more hemlurigc spikes at one point.

I was under the impression that he was against wearing spikes. Even ones as small as the earrings that harmony uses to communicate.

Also, didnt he just want to stop with the action? I dont really remember it that well since ive read TLM some time ago

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

18 hours ago, Denisimo said:

What about Wax? He's gotta get more hemlurigc spikes at one point.

 

10 hours ago, sespe14 said:

I was under the impression that he was against wearing spikes. Even ones as small as the earrings that harmony uses to communicate.

Also, didnt he just want to stop with the action? I dont really remember it that well since ive read TLM some time ago

He actually said to Marsh that he was considering removing the Electrum Spike he got at the end of TLM.

 

And technically anyone who uses the Bands of Mourning is a Fullborn, if indirectly. Though yes, they are known to be drained right now, but I fully subscribe to the theory that they aren't and the Malwish pulled some trickery to steal them while trying to trick everyone into believing that they are worthless now.

On 5/22/2025 at 4:25 AM, Windborn_bolder said:

marsh as he currently is the closest to having all 32 powers

Anyhow, Hemalurgy isn't a way to become a Fullborn anymore since Harmony Ascended, because Hemalurgy has new limits, there are only so many spikes people can acquire now before they just stop gaining powers. This is due to Ruin no longer pushing on the fabric of Scadrial and causing slight decay in everyone's souls. Marsh is an exception to this with his 20+ Spikes, but this is likely because he was spiked before Harmony Ascended.

Maybe there's a way around this new limit, but that's just speculation.

On 5/22/2025 at 6:03 AM, sespe14 said:

I had forgotten hemalurgy didnt affect him, though he did have the steel sight, right? I could be wrong again though if it he did have it then maybe they could find a way to do it, they are lacking in knowledge of how the powers and investiture work.

The Steelsight is just an effect of being spiked through an eye, not due to a power. Kel has no allomancy and Hemalurgy doesn't work on him, even Lerasium wouldn't work on him. Theres even implications that he can't use the Bands of Mourning despite being credited with their creation, as he said he's 'still looking' for a way to use Allomancy.

On 5/22/2025 at 6:03 AM, sespe14 said:

Ohh, i wasnt aware of that WoB, that certainly seems interesting, if he RAFO'd it, it probably means access to atium and lerasium could become easier, or maybe it Is the product of burning harmonium, since allomancy Is from Preservation, hemalurgy from Ruin and feruchemy from both (you would have to put it through some special process to avoid exploding yourself if thats the case). I wonder what he Is going to do with it

Technically speaking Lerasium has never been easier to acquire as of the end of Era 2, since there is a viable, if unclear, way to produce Lerasium and Atium by splitting Harmonium with Trellium, with some unknown extra step to actually produce the two godmetals instead of just an explosion.

[Returned he/him]

I am skeptical that we'll get another natural-born full Feruchemist, never mind a fullborn. The heritable Metallic Arts have been getting weaker and rarer. It might be possible to husband individuals to strengthen it again over time but it seems really difficult to do that all the way to a fullborn. With the advent of commoditized Metallic Arts, as demonstrated by the Malwish and the Set, it seems like it wouldn't be worth the effort any more. Buying or stealing stuff is so much easier! Plus, if you're interested in the natural-born route then all your work is for someone else to someday get all the powers and be more powerful than you yourself are. Picking up the right supplies gives you the all the power right now.

I think that Kelsier is the most likely from your list, and also the most dangerous. He's interested in power, can always think of ways to use it, and probably has more knowledge about how to work with something like the Bands than anyone else (except for Sazed). I don't think that Marsh has the ambition to bother with it. Sazed already has way more power by holding the Shards, and if he gave them up someone else would take them and could then frustrate whatever his plans might be. Hoid already has so many powers and ways to pursue his interests that it's not clear to me that he'd gain all that much from being fullborn, regardless of how awesome fullborn powers are.

[clowncarcrash]

I don't see any of these characters becoming a true fullborn. I think its likely they might acquire a band of mourning or hemalurgy to get to that level.

 

As for a true fullborn, I'd imagine its a numbers game, as billions of people are born on Scandriel over hundreds/thousands of years , I think there is going to be someone lucky to born lucky.