Quick Fix 75: The Tower's Pressure

[Kasimir he/him]

31 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

35 minutes left of this turn. Everyone has already voted. Nice. If anyone is planning on changing their vote at the last minute, I would appreciate the forewarning in your GM private message.

I was very good about my intention to chairshot Demon the last time! ^^

Well, Striker, if you are somehow Village, sorry if wrong. I think we did our best. See y'all on the other side.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

And that is time! Tune in very soon for Turn 7: Massacre part 2

Edited May 27, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

The room was a mess of Edgedancers and Truthwatchers. Celeste Spores still coated the floor unactivated, and those two orders were the only ones expected to survive if they activated again. It was a strange sight, to see knights in resplendent shard plate, wielding common brooms. The spores were being brought to a much more isolated room, for study by experienced Ardents

Tim, Plyrcado, Alvron, Elkath, V, Var, and Kalhavar stood, sat, and lay in a corner of the room. No windows or doors. A dozen Windrunners, and half that Dustbringers watched them. 

Midius stood alone against the far wall, with a handful of the spores in his hand. "Have you ever heard of Lumar?"

"No. Is this story going to be important Wit?"

"I haven't the faintest idea. I've never heard of Lumar either. I'll have to pay it a visit after this. These aether-spores should only have been native to  Dhatri, and I have no idea where Lumar is in relation."

The Sibling didn't answer him. He was growing increasingly worried about the effects this would have on their mind, the constant forgetting and subsequent retreats into memory to try to determine what had been lost. It wouldn't be healthy for anyone.

"5 of them gone at once, and one was an enemy. Is that a good enough sacrifice? 7 remain now. I could just kill them all, remove any threat. We don't even know how many of them are innocent. It could be none."

"Ah, not feeling any ruths today? I suppose I can't blame you, but these people are still on edge from that massacre. You perpetuating another one would only worsen matters, turn the tower against you. I encourage you to feel some Mercy, Sibling."

"This goes on too long. More than one will perish today Midius."

"Two then? That is how many people think are left."

"Must you fight me on this Midius?"

"Yes." He let no levity out into his voice. "It is your body, but it is our home. Two, no more."

"Fine. Tim and Plyrcado. Remove them now."

He raised an eyebrow. "Why not-"

"NOW MIDIUS, or I remove all of them!"

Midius considered his options, considered the increasing instability of events in Urithiru and on Roshar, and nodded. He gave the orders. Alvron, Elkath, V, and Kalhavar turned to stare at Var, who shrugged and smiled, pleased that he had been overlooked and forgotten by the Sibling.

Quick Fix 75: The Tower's Pressure, Turn 7: Mercy

@KelsierApologist was Executed! She was a Servant!
@BigBadBagsworth was Executed! He was a Servant!

The Eliminators have used their One-Use ability to save @StrikerEZ from Execution!

Player List and Current Votes
@The Unknown Order [ 2 ]:  Negative_Null (T1), BigBadBagsworth (T2), Lord Spirit (T2), StrikerEZ(T4), Lord Spirit (T4)
@ThatOneWorldhopper [ 1 ]: IcedOutPenguin (T1)
@Lord Spirit [ 0 ]: Negative_Null (T3)
@StrikerEZ [ 8 ]: BigBadBagsworth (T1), ThatOneWorldhopper (T2), Negative Null (T2), The Unknown Order (T4), Aeternum (T5), BigBadBagsworth (T6), KelsierApologist (T6), The Unknown Order (T6), ThatOneWorldhopper (T6), Lord Spirit (T6), Kasimir (T6).
@Kasimir [ 1 ]: Tinwatcher (T1) 

KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren, Executed Turn 1
RoyalBeeMage, Executed Turn 2
|TJ|, Executed Turn 3
THE DEMON, Executed Turn 4
Aeternum, Executed Turn 5
IcedOutPenguin, Executed Turn 5
Negative_Null, Executed Turn 5
Tinwatcher, Executed Turn 5
Aster, Executed Turn 5
BigBadBagsworth, Executed Turn 6
KelsierApologist, Executed Turn 6

Edited May 27, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush
Standardizing the colors of the dead

[Kasimir he/him]

As expected, here we go again.

@The Unknown Order @ThatOneWorldhopper @Lord Spirit

What d'you all reckon, is it worth trying to get a side-train on our second Elim candidate, or just work with the solo world? I think Striker is screwed regardless but I don't want a situation where we're stacking too many votes onto the secondary train. My read atm is the most Striker can Soothe is 2 votes via one off TUN, or one off TOW, meaning he has an effective 6 votes. The only side-train here that could in theory block something is on TUN (Striker Soothes to 6, and TUN accumulates 5 votes, so we shouldn't concentrate regardless.) 

Striker for the moment.

I guess one alternative is we could distribute votes a bit more but leave Striker in the lead. Thinking aloud.

Edited to add:

Wait a minute. @A Jo in the Bush what the heck is Alv doing in there >>

13 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Alvron

 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

8 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Edited to add:

Wait a minute. @A Jo in the Bush what the heck is Alv doing in there >>

On 5/21/2025 at 9:18 PM, The Unknown Order said:

Ties scare me in this game. They were specifically a point I brought up with Jo, and while I accepted his reasoning, they could have big consequences. 

In other news my name is Alvron and I will be your tiemaker this game (if I can at rollover and it doesn't involve people I like)

Alvron is The Unknown Order's character name. He never chose any other name, so that's what I went with.

Edited May 27, 2025 by A Jo in the Bush

[Kasimir he/him]

19 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

The Eliminators have used their One-Use ability to save @StrikerEZ from Execution!

...Just to confirm, can the Mercy and the Soothe be used together? Because it's odd that we aren't seeing both in operation.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

...Just to confirm, can the Mercy and the Soothe be used together? Because it's odd that we aren't seeing both in operation.

On 5/14/2025 at 7:00 AM, A Jo in the Bush said:

Enemies of Urithiru

The Enemies have a Google Doc to speak in private. The Enemies of Urithiru do not have a Kill action. Instead, they may target one player, and erase all votes they have made in the game, including this cycle. 

Once per Game, the Enemies may instead protect one player from execution. If they are the only one up for execution, the player with the second most votes will be executed instead. If they are in a tie, the others will be executed instead.

The Enemies win when the Citizens cannot win through perfect play. Generally, this means outnumbering the Citizens, but that does not guarantee victory.

I suppose I need a refresher in writing clear rules.

No, the Elims could only use one of their abilities a Turn.

[Kasimir he/him]

21 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

I suppose I need a refresher in writing clear rules.

I think TUN and I need a refresher in reading/retaining information.

ffs >>

We spent a bit trying to scheme to see if we could keep Polly alive but missed the whole deal with the Mercy and the Soothe being either/or - our biggest problem was we felt we could mitigate either the Mercy or the Soothe but not both >>

Edited to add:

I suppose it's doubly embarrassing if you consider the fact that both TUN and I went over this ruleset before it was run..........

Edited to add 2:

Ok. I will admit I did the obligatory rethink of TUN, but I'm back to:

A. Penguin was pretty down for the TUN push until blocked, which makes me read this not as distancing but as 'they wanted this scapegoat killed.' Striker also has repeatedly tried to push TUN as a lazy default.
B. The mistake is on me and if I could make this mistake, so could TUN.
C. TUN pushing TJ.
D. I'll take Aet's vibes read into account.
E. I'm not confident in reading posts especially if/when TJ would've been in full misinformation mode, so:

Turn 2:

On 5/23/2025 at 9:34 PM, |TJ| said:

Ugh, cannot wait for the last minute vote shenanigans.

I consider myself quite good at getting a correct read on Striker whenever he's village i.e., can correctly spot ML on v!Striker. 

I've not played with him in a while so while I'm not reading Striker as village currently, village!Striker becomes very obviously village to me, don't ask me how but it's just a thing. So I want to give him more time.  -> Declines to offer a read on Striker and wants more time. Technically a null read.

TUO I can never accurately read in the beginning stages of the game. -> Declines to offer a TUO read as well. I would find it pretty unlikely for TJ to decide to give both teammates the same treatment here.

RoyalBeeMage

On 5/23/2025 at 8:32 PM, StrikerEZ said:

I could be convinced to switch my vote from TJ to RBM.

How do you read me outside the vote removal? I think that's the only thing I remember you mentioning about me this cycle. Could you switch to RBM? 

Turn 3:

TJ #1

On 5/24/2025 at 5:30 AM, |TJ| said:

Sigh, I really should have removed myself yesterday. It's just making it more tedious for us.

Though, from last cycle I'm leaning Striker village because if he was evil, he could have just left his vote there and by some cancellation, could have gotten both me and RBM killed. -> Read on Striker has evolved to a Village lean.

I'm also v-leaning Kas and Negative Null. Polly to some extent, but I do agree with Kas that the urgency to tag players read a bit of TMI on RBM. 

-> Noteworthy that all mentioned here are Villagers; Polly read was a little washed/salted but still kinda Village from handling.

Unsure about Aster, TUO and a whole bunch of people. -> Zero evolution in TUN read, Aster has flipped Village.

On 5/24/2025 at 5:16 AM, IcedOutPenguin said:

I'm going to take the fact that TJ is getting executed this cycle as a given. So I'm going to vote somebody else to try to um... not vote for myself. 

TOW

Sigh, this is how we end up with the same situation as last cycle >>

TJ #2

On 5/24/2025 at 9:58 PM, |TJ| said:

I wanted to leave legacy reads but sigh, too busy at work. 

The last post from TUO was good. 

Watch out for vote cancels to frame players. The last cycle's cancellation reeks of that i.e., watch out for pushes on TUO and Striker. 

-> TUN read has mirrored the Striker read by tacitly shifting to positive. This is not a surprise as TJ is using TUN as a shield for Striker here RE: the frame narrative. Again, would be a bit weird to tie TUN and Striker together I think.

Kas is always village and I'm quite confident on Negative Null as well.  -> Village reads here seem clean, compared to the previous one.

Watch out for... I donno Aster I guess? I'm always tend to read players who defend me against common consensus and there was some of that by Aster in C2. -> Aster is freaking Village lah bhai how many times I tell you already?!?!?! Suspect this means that TJ's teammates were not leading the charge to defend him and were kind of in distancing mode anyway. I would almost say implications here for TOW kind of skew positive. See: post below.

I get ML'ed quite rarely, so I don't really get to leave legacy reads. Good luck and all the best! 

On 5/23/2025 at 5:36 AM, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

I vote TUO. (That feels too weird. I'm going to have to keep calling you TUF)

I don't think the elims would do something so obvious as clear TJ's votes, so the person who immediately told us why that would make TJ an Elim is under my suspicion. -> This is a Turn 2 defense of TJ as his first post and I would take it as being very interesting in light of TJ's post right above. You could argue that TJ has overlooked TOW, but that being said, that doesn't feel exceptionally glaring. If they wanted mileage, TJ should just sus TOW here for doing exactly that. To me the more likely scenario is that the Elims all immediately decided to distance or at least not defend TJ, so this looks like a good sign relatively.

However, I'm e!leaning more StrikerEZ, mostly from just vibes and maybe TUO was too quick, so this vote will probably change.

I also missed that:

F. TUN voted Penguin C1. My read of this team's strategy from Penguin's behaviour is they probably didn't want to waste too much time on distancing votes in light of letting everyone else accumulate votes. I'll now proceed to be super wrong about everything

Wrt TOW, I'm feeling more confident of TOW being Village beyond respecting Aet's read and the sense that TOW voted on TJ C1 resulting in the Soothe being required - especially with the Soothe going on to cause us to want TJ dead in the first place. When I look at the implications of that Soothe again, it reads to me like a forced error, and I don't see the Elims having wanted that.

This means that both TOW (whose vote contributed to the need for a scramble/Soothe) and TUN (who did the off-the-bat C2 vote and early TJ push) do look good under this lens. However, I also missed this from TOW:

And I question if the Elims necessarily want to add yet another vote that needs to be removed via the Soothe to the pile - it negatively affects their ability to use the Soothe to actually create havoc or to save a teammate if necessarily. This is right after the TOW vote on TJ C1 already started the whole problem to begin with.

So I think I've persuaded myself into V!TUN, V!TOW. I'll probably relook Spirit tomorrow later as I've medical again but won't be averse to putting a vote or two on Spirit to make sure he's easier to remove if we have to go into another cycle. Not sure it makes a difference, but @The Unknown Order yo you're my mech guy, does it help or not?

Edited May 27, 2025 by Kasimir

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Huh. I wonder why the elim(s) did that. But hey, I’m alive!

[Kasimir he/him]

15 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Huh. I wonder why the elim(s) did that. But hey, I’m alive!

Not if this steel chair has anything to say about it!

Edited May 27, 2025 by Kasimir
emoji eaten

[Lord Spirit he/him]

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

As expected, here we go again.

@The Unknown Order @ThatOneWorldhopper @Lord Spirit

What d'you all reckon, is it worth trying to get a side-train on our second Elim candidate, or just work with the solo world? I think Striker is screwed regardless but I don't want a situation where we're stacking too many votes onto the secondary train. My read atm is the most Striker can Soothe is 2 votes via one off TUN, or one off TOW, meaning he has an effective 6 votes. The only side-train here that could in theory block something is on TUN (Striker Soothes to 6, and TUN accumulates 5 votes, so we shouldn't concentrate regardless.) 

Striker for the moment.

I guess one alternative is we could distribute votes a bit more but leave Striker in the lead. Thinking aloud.

Edited to add:

Wait a minute. @A Jo in the Bush what the heck is Alv doing in there >>

 

It’s definitely safer to put most votes on a side train. The mercy shot is gone, so as long as the secondary train has three less votes then striker, we’re safe.

 If we play this right, we win, but we need to be careful. If it comes down to 2 villagers vs 1 elim, the elim wins if either villager has a vote on them.

The problem is that I have pretty much zero confidence in my ability to read this game. If you want more analysis of potential outcomes, let me know. 

[Kasimir he/him]

27 minutes ago, Lord Spirit said:

The problem is that I have pretty much zero confidence in my ability to read this game. If you want more analysis of potential outcomes, let me know. 

I'd appreciate if you could offer your analysis, yeah. If you're Village, which I actually think is possible (pending re-read tomorrow), it'll help everyone, if you're Elim, well, maybe it's still helpful to know.

27 minutes ago, Lord Spirit said:

If it comes down to 2 villagers vs 1 elim, the elim wins if either villager has a vote on them.

Does come down to vote totals too, yeah? I almost wonder if there is a case for all of us just voting Striker (to avoid the penalty.) In that world, if Striker's the last Elim, the game ends. If not, we go into the next cycle on a 3v1, which should mean that...okay, yeah, too tired, I'll go over that tomorrow too as well.

Edited to add:

@Lord Spirit Actually, let's do this. I know you have zero confidence, I've also been batting badly for most of this game, give me your thoughts on who we exe tomorrow if the game doesn't end. Let's all try to identify who we think a coherent Elim team would be: @The Unknown Order, @ThatOneWorldhopper and then go from there.

@StrikerEZ give me your favourite recipe, I guess?  Some homework for you.

Edited May 27, 2025 by Kasimir

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

4 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

@StrikerEZ[ 8 ]: BigBadBagsworth (T1), ThatOneWorldhopper (T2), Negative Null (T2), The Unknown Order (T4), Aeternum (T5), BigBadBagsworth (T6), KelsierApologist (T6), The Unknown Order (T6), ThatOneWorldhopper (T6), Lord Spirit (T6), Kasimir (T6).

Do these votes still count: they're just delayed, or are they nullified?

Edited May 27, 2025 by ThatOneWorldhopper
Oops, wrong punctuation

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

28 minutes ago, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

Do these votes still count: they're just delayed, or are they nullified?

They all still count. StrikerEZ currently has 8 votes on him.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

I think this is pretty simple. They can't save Striker with a soothe, so we just don't worry about voting Striker.

We have three villagers, with two potential elims. One of them already has a vote. So one person votes TOW and two people vote Spirit. Ideally.

We can assume that Spirit and TOW each vote got each other. There's no reason for them not to. That puts them at 2/1. I'll vote for TOW because my vote is most likely to get soothed (although with Striker dying anyways, really anyone could get soothed). Kas can vote Spirit, putting us into next cycle with either 3/1 or 2/2, depending on who gets soothed. At that point, however, we can afford to just dog pile on one of them, it doesn't really matter which, we'll be able to elevate them too high to soothe to tie with me. If we don't get it right first try, we just do the same next cycle.

I'll edit it with exactly how the votes should go, but in the meantime

@Lord Spirit and @ThatOneWorldhopper, don't vote Striker this turn as it is unnecessary. Vote each other, since you know who the final elim is (unless we just get lucky and Striker is final e).

@Kasimir, you vote Spirit.

We can decide which to actually vote next cycle.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

And nevermind I just redid everything and it turns out I also need to vote Lord Spirit.

@A Jo in the Bush in case this merges.

[Lord Spirit he/him]

31 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

I think this is pretty simple. They can't save Striker with a soothe, so we just don't worry about voting Striker.

We have three villagers, with two potential elims. One of them already has a vote. So one person votes TOW and two people vote Spirit. Ideally.

We can assume that Spirit and TOW each vote got each other. There's no reason for them not to. That puts them at 2/1. I'll vote for TOW because my vote is most likely to get soothed (although with Striker dying anyways, really anyone could get soothed). Kas can vote Spirit, putting us into next cycle with either 3/1 or 2/2, depending on who gets soothed. At that point, however, we can afford to just dog pile on one of them, it doesn't really matter which, we'll be able to elevate them too high to soothe to tie with me. If we don't get it right first try, we just do the same next cycle.

I'll edit it with exactly how the votes should go, but in the meantime

@Lord Spirit and @ThatOneWorldhopper, don't vote Striker this turn as it is unnecessary. Vote each other, since you know who the final elim is (unless we just get lucky and Striker is final e).

@Kasimir, you vote Spirit.

We can decide which to actually vote next cycle.

You seem very confident of your own villagerness. Obviously you know your alignment, but when was it decided that the final elim is between me and TOW? I’m reasonably confident that Kas is Village (or at least, if he’s elim, he’s playing far above my level), but I don’t have a good read on you. 

You also didn’t mention Strikers vote, which could have an impact. 

I distrust how confident you seem to be in winning.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

3 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Not if this steel chair has anything to say about it!

I am not long for this world, but that's okay. Nothing I can do about that now. The elim(s) already saved me once. This is some serious framing they're pulling. Honestly very impressive that they're willing to use their mercy on a villager. Wonder who that would leave as the last elim(s)....

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

26 minutes ago, Lord Spirit said:

You seem very confident of your own villagerness. Obviously you know your alignment, but when was it decided that the final elim is between me and TOW? I’m reasonably confident that Kas is Village (or at least, if he’s elim, he’s playing far above my level), but I don’t have a good read on you. 

Oh you know. Minor reasons, like voting an elim c1 when I had no reason to, voting an elim c2 before he was confirmed elim, voting on two more elims on several occasions and having been pushed extremely hard by an elim.

[Lord Spirit he/him]

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said:

Oh you know. Minor reasons, like voting an elim c1 when I had no reason to, voting an elim c2 before he was confirmed elim, voting on two more elims on several occasions and having been pushed extremely hard by an elim.

True. There is some decent evidence that your town. But maybe the elims decided that in a game where every death is an exe, it would be very important to have at least one elim get as much credibility as possible. Which could explain your votes. 

I’m not saying I think you’re an elim, I’m just saying that we need to consider every possibility. 

(I’m still hoping striker is the last elim and we’ll just win, but I doubt were that lucky)

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

2 hours ago, The Unknown Order said:

@Lord Spirit and @ThatOneWorldhopper, don't vote Striker this turn as it is unnecessary. Vote each other, since you know who the final elim is (unless we just get lucky and Striker is final e).

I don't like this. I'm going to vote for Lord Spirit for now, because he has only one vote and I want everyone to be pretty much equal until we decide so that we have the easiest time getting rid of the last elim. 

That being said, I feel like this aggressive "you all vote for each other" is kind of wolfy. You have made some good points, though, so I'll leave my vote on Spirit.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Man the thread has been quiet today. Guess there's not much to talk about when I'm on the chopping block again.

EDIT: No idea why there's a bunch of blank space

Edited May 28, 2025 by StrikerEZ

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

BigBadBagsworth had really been carrying the game yesterday huh

[Kasimir he/him]

1 minute ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

BigBadBagsworth had really been carrying the game yesterday huh

No kidding

But also I had yet another hospital trip so it's a busy morning. 

[Lord Spirit he/him]

4 hours ago, ThatOneWorldhopper said:

I don't like this. I'm going to vote for Lord Spirit for now, because he has only one vote and I want everyone to be pretty much equal until we decide so that we have the easiest time getting rid of the last elim. 

That being said, I feel like this aggressive "you all vote for each other" is kind of wolfy. You have made some good points, though, so I'll leave my vote on Spirit.

I was leaving TUO, but this gives me doubts as well. If I die and flip village, then you say “oops, I know I voted the innocent for no reason except they didn’t have votes, but I actually thought it was TUO the entire time.”

 TOW for now.