+Oltux72 he/him Posted February 2, 2025 Posted February 2, 2025 Wind and Truth has explained why Spren, Fused and Light were chained to Roshar. The reason cannot apply to Thaidakar. So what keeps him in his home system?
ChickenBonanza Posted February 2, 2025 Posted February 2, 2025 The reasons are the same, I believe. He’s a Cognitive Shadow without a physical body like a Returned. Since Harmony is still Invested in Scadrial, his Investiture in the Physical/Cognitive Realms cannot travel far away. On Roshar, Cultivation and Honor/Odium un-Invested themselves from the Rosharan system, so their Splinters are no more connected to that system than they are anywhere else, allowing them to leave. 1
LeondeBowa Posted February 2, 2025 Posted February 2, 2025 I don't remember him being bound, do you have a quote? If he is harmony being invested isn't enough, honour/cultivation/odium were bound by the deal between honour and odium, not their investment in roshar. This ended when danar as honour revoked his oaths
ChickenBonanza Posted February 3, 2025 Posted February 3, 2025 1 hour ago, LeondeBowa said: honour/cultivation/odium were bound by the deal between honour and odium, not their investment in roshar. I think both apply in Roshar’s case. Spren being bound both by the Shard’s Investing and the binding agreement to not leave by the Shard’s that compose their essence.
Nitpicking Posted February 3, 2025 Posted February 3, 2025 4 hours ago, LeondeBowa said: I don't remember him being bound, do you have a quote? It's in Mistborn: Secret History. He physically can't leave Scadrial in the Cognitive Realm. OK, maybe "physically" is the wrong word. 1
Treamayne Posted February 3, 2025 Posted February 3, 2025 5 hours ago, LeondeBowa said: I don't remember him being bound, do you have a quote? 1 hour ago, Nitpicking said: It's in Mistborn: Secret History. He physically can't leave Scadrial in the Cognitive Realm. OK, maybe "physically" is the wrong word. Specifically, Part 5 Ch 1: Spoiler That was surreal, but so was his life these days. He dropped the fish’s soul and continued onward, hiking through waist-high plants with a blazing staff lighting the way. As he got farther from the shore, he felt a tugging at his soul. A manifestation of his ties to the world he’d left behind. He knew, without having to experiment, that this tug would ultimately grow strong enough that he wouldn’t be able continue outward. He could use that. The tugging was a tool that let him judge if he was getting farther from his world, or if he’d gotten turned around in the darkness. WoBs: Spoiler Quote Blightsong (paraphrased) Is it normal for people to become Connected to an area after being there for a bit, like with Kel and wherever he was when he found the Ire, or is something special going on? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It is normal for a Cognitive Shadow to get stuck to places, because they exist through investiture it is normal for them to get tied to an area. Kelsier was still in Scadrial when he found the Ire. This happened with Odium and the two shards on Roshar, Preservation to Ruin, and the Heralds. OdysseyCon 2016 (April 8, 2016) Quote Edited for Length and Relevance: Questioner So like as far as distance traveled in Shadesmar. So when Kelsier is in Shadesmar, he meets the Ire, who are presumably Elantrians. How far did he travel? Is that still within Scadrial's realm of the Cognitive Realm? Brandon Sanderson Yeah, that's within-- By the time he meets them he has slipped right to the edge of the Cognitive Realm on Scadrial and into, kind of, the darkness between planets. Questioner Okay. Brandon Sanderson He's close enough that he can get there. But he's kind of suffused with Scadrian Investiture then, to a point that it would be harder--you saw in there--for him to get further. I would say that he's like... He has entered space between planets, but he's not out of the solar system. Questioner Okay, so he's still in the Scadrian system, just not--just edging a bit there. Brandon Sanderson Yeah, yep. That's what I'd say if I had to actually point him in that <a map>. It gets really fuzzy though, because it wouldn't be too much longer before he enters another solar system. Like, he would pass lightyears in steps as he starts getting further, if that makes any sense. White Sand vol.1 release party (June 28, 2016) Hope that helps 1
LeondeBowa Posted February 3, 2025 Posted February 3, 2025 Maybe it would be more accurate to say beings made of investiture are bound to the things they are connected to? This is usually their shard or their system, but if they can build a stronger connection to something else and that moves then they can move with it. This would mean that Thaidakars problem is he has bound himself too strongly to Scadrial and as he sees his companions as agents, he cannot build a strong enough connection to move away from the system
Nitpicking Posted February 3, 2025 Posted February 3, 2025 As discussed on the most recent Shardcast, it seems to be that Splinters/Slivers of a Shard find it hard to leave the system where that Shard is Connected very strongly. When Honor, Cultivation, and Odium disconnect from Roshar at the end of WaT, suddenly the spren can leave. Presumably, the three Old Gods (Night, Stone, Wind) can't. 2
+Oltux72 he/him Posted February 4, 2025 Author Posted February 4, 2025 20 hours ago, Nitpicking said: As discussed on the most recent Shardcast, it seems to be that Splinters/Slivers of a Shard find it hard to leave the system where that Shard is Connected very strongly. He felt the tug before his ascension. 1
nova Posted February 4, 2025 Posted February 4, 2025 Kelsier did jump into the well of ascension and at least partially be invested by it. He could be anchored to it in some way. That could also be related to why the ghostbloods are so interesting in BAM and the heralds. BAM absorbed power from Odium's well and the heralds are all manifested directly from Honor's power.
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