Hoid is wrong (Full Spoilers)

[Hoids Imaginary Friend]

At the end when Hoid hears about the time bubble he muses how strange things happen when something happens to a Shard and likens it to Harmonys ascending where the world was remade.

We know that's not true, Scadrial was remade by a concious effort of Sazed and not a direct result of Harmonys ascension.

Which means he's most likely wrong a out Retributions ascension creating the time bubble.

Given that the bubble is working against Retribution I doubt it's him.

It seems most likely Harmony was involved with time bubbles being apart of his magic systems and him being another dual Shard, though he does have problems acting due to his powers.

But..!

What if that red miasma he showed Wax at the end of BoM wasn't about Trell? 

What if its Harmon, a Shard with as much if not more power than Retribution (alot of splinters he wasn't able to suck up), is maintaining the time bubble?

it would be about a decade on Scadrial at this point since Retribution was formed right?

[RedBlue]

I don’t think Hoid was implying that the time bubble is directly analogous to the Catacendre. I think it was more like ‘weird and unpredictable things happen when Shards merge, I guess.’

Because some people are going to want to know WHY Odium and Honor merging would create a time dilation bubble, and the answer (at least for now) is ‘it just does.’

[Hoids Imaginary Friend]

4 hours ago, RedBlue said:

I don’t think Hoid was implying that the time bubble is directly analogous to the Catacendre. I think it was more like ‘weird and unpredictable things happen when Shards merge, I guess.’

What I was getting at is he was wrong about the affects of Harmonys merging and now only has one point of reference for this phenomenon. There's no pattern or basis to back this up and therefore, could also be wrong regarding Retribution.

[alder24]

12 hours ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

At the end when Hoid hears about the time bubble he muses how strange things happen when something happens to a Shard and likens it to Harmonys ascending where the world was remade.

We know that's not true, Scadrial was remade by a concious effort of Sazed and not a direct result of Harmonys ascension.

Which means he's most likely wrong a out Retributions ascension creating the time bubble.

Given that the bubble is working against Retribution I doubt it's him.

It seems most likely Harmony was involved with time bubbles being apart of his magic systems and him being another dual Shard, though he does have problems acting due to his powers.

It was Retribution's doing. It was because of the death of the Highstorm and the birth of the True Everstorm, fueled by Retribution's rage. WaT ch 145:

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The death of the highstorm, and the birth of the true Everstorm, continued to warp the spiritual aspect of Roshar. It was distorting everything, fueled by Retribution’s rage. Dalinar … Dalinar had done this. As the storms finally stilled—control reasserted, his anger managed—Taravangian formed an avatar to confront Dalinar.

 

12 hours ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

But..!

What if that red miasma he showed Wax at the end of BoM wasn't about Trell? 

What if its Harmon, a Shard with as much if not more power than Retribution (alot of splinters he wasn't able to suck up), is maintaining the time bubble?

That red mist was Autonomy's investiture. TLM ch 19:

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“Where is the redness I saw last time?” Wax asked, nodding to the planet. Six years ago a red haze had been coming over the planet, as if to swallow it. “Did you drive it off?”
“No,” Harmony said softly. “It Invested the planet. Invested … me. What you saw was a shroud, Waxillium. I responded too slowly. It is … a failing that grows more dangerous in me. By the time I realized what was happening, that shroud had come over me. It doesn’t hurt, it merely dampens my ability to see.”
[...]
"Autonomy offered me an ultimatum last year, as my blinding was taking effect and when she assumed I would be the most desperate. She demanded I give this world to her, then move to another."

 

[Hoids Imaginary Friend]

@alder24 well there goes that theory

Thank you for the comprehensive citation

[Treamayne]

On 12/26/2024 at 11:37 PM, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

What I was getting at is he was wrong about the affects of Harmonys merging and now only has one point of reference for this phenomenon. There's no pattern or basis to back this up and therefore, could also be wrong regarding Retribution.

Also, there is another point of reference on which Hoid is basing this comment. Elantris Spoilers:

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Sel - what Odium did to Devotion and Dominion there has the whole planet affected by Time Dilation (compared to Cosmere Standard) since those events. It's still happening - and Hoid knows that any massive (planet sized) investiture in the physical or cognitive realm will cause Time Dilation. WoBs:

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Questioner

Is all the worlds in the Cosmere on a linear timeline?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, with an asterisk. There is time dilation. If you get too close to large amounts of matter or large amounts of Investiture, you will have time dilation. 

Starsight Release Party (Nov. 26, 2019)

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Jeremy

If vast amounts of Investiture can distort time in a similar manner as a black hole, [...] does that include Shards? Would time dilation be greater on Roshar than on Nalthis?

Brandon Sanderson

No, because the Shard is contained almost entirely in the Spiritual Realm. In the Spiritual Realm, time and distance have no meaning. So, what this means is: Large piles of Investiture that somehow make it into the Cognitive Realm or the Physical Realm are going to cause time dilation, but the Spiritual Realm—where it belongs—it's not going to do that.

That's gonna make some exclamation points raise above the heads of some people.

The Dusty Wheel Show (June 17, 2021)

 

Which does not mean that Taravangian understood this before accidentally causing this effect by super-boosting the Everstorm.

Hope that helps

Edited December 28, 2024 by Treamayne

[Oookla the Murdery he/him]

I just read that and wow. That makes no sense but I completely understand.