Sigzil's plate spren?

[Shacharma]

So we know that in the future sigzil has plate spren from his time as a windrunner that join into nomad's plate - but it looks like his windrunner days are over and he never reached the fourth ideal and thus hasnt gotten plate spren.

Is this a continuity error? or will he go back at some point? 

(given that he is now hanging out with aux I doubt that vienta will get in the picture?)

[Treamayne]

4 hours ago, Shacharma said:

So we know that in the future sigzil has plate spren from his time as a windrunner that join into nomad's plate - but it looks like his windrunner days are over and he never reached the fourth ideal and thus hasnt gotten plate spren.

Is this a continuity error? or will he go back at some point? 

(given that he is now hanging out with aux I doubt that vienta will get in the picture?)

So, if we assume that it is not an error (seems like the kind of thing Dragonsteel would catch and correct if the contradiction were this big), then what does that tell us?

• We see in WaT that Kaladin's Plate Spren follow him around - so forming plate does not come from the ambient spren of the correct type, but from those that a Radiant has gathered to them over the course of their Oaths.
• We see in Oathbringer that Kaladin had already gathered Windspren (that would eventually form his plate), and even had some measure of control with them even before the Fourth Oath
  • Kaladin directed the Windspren to form a Windbreak at Revolar to protect the humans running for the Stormshelter
  • Kaladin's Platespren even slightly manifested in Shadesmar, while they travelled with Notum's ship - because they were following his Shadesmar journey

Based on this, I would suspect that Sig had already found a gathering of Windpren following him - he's had the Third Oath for a while. So, it could be that by the time he reaches Fouth Ideal with Aux, his plate will become a combination of the Windspren already following his radiance, and the GravitationSpren he will eventually attract as he progresses his Skybreaker Oaths. Since a change in Radiant Order is so rare (if it ever happened before Sigzil), this just be an uncommon interaction (resonance?) of Sigzil's Surge of Gravitation interacting with Adhesion from his time as a Windrunner, and DIvision when he becomes a Skybreaker-in-fact - and Brandon wanted us to see this interaction at least once.

[Ewery1]

What I’m most curious about here is where are Sig’s windspren if he’s currently in Shadesmar and can’t see them? If he’s traveling away from Roshar, how is he going to be attracting Gravitationspren? Do they not have any sort of distance limiter? That seems extremely strong and does not make a lot of sense to me.

Edited December 25, 2024 by Ewery1

[Treamayne]

58 minutes ago, Ewery1 said:

What I’m most curious about here is where are Sig’s windspren if he’s currently in Shadesmar and can’t see them? If he’s traveling away from Roshar, how is he going to be attracting Gravitationspren? Do they not have any sort of distance limiter? That seems extremely strong and does not make a lot of sense to me.

Hoid said in the epilogue that he maintains his Connection to Design while she is on Roshar and he is on Scadrial. I would guess that Sig retains his Connection to the Windspren while he travels, and if he returns to Roshar in the back half then he may make the Fourth Ideal (and Armor) at that point. . .

[Ewery1]

7 hours ago, Treamayne said:

Hoid said in the epilogue that he maintains his Connection to Design while she is on Roshar and he is on Scadrial. I would guess that Sig retains his Connection to the Windspren while he travels, and if he returns to Roshar in the back half then he may make the Fourth Ideal (and Armor) at that point. . .

Hmm did not seem like Sig ever returned to Roshar based on Sunlit Man.

[Treamayne]

1 minute ago, Ewery1 said:

Hmm did not seem like Sig ever returned to Roshar based on Sunlit Man.

I took that as Sigzil did not return to Roshar after encountering the Night Brigade, which was after giving up the Dawnshard.
And we have no idea how long that would be after these events.

[Shacharma]

17 hours ago, Treamayne said:

So, it could be that by the time he reaches Fouth Ideal with Aux, his plate will become a combination of the Windspren already following his radiance, and the GravitationSpren he will eventually attract as he progresses his Skybreaker Oaths. Since a change in Radiant Order is so rare (if it ever happened before Sigzil), this just be an uncommon interaction (resonance?) of Sigzil's Surge of Gravitation interacting with Adhesion from his time as a Windrunner, and DIvision when he becomes a Skybreaker-in-fact - and Brandon wanted us to see this interaction at least once.

I like th eline of thought, but if this is the case, why does Sigzil seem surprised in sunlit man that his plate is different, combining both? Shouldnt this be the usual way he saw his plate after gaining it as a SkyBreaker?

[Lightspine]

To add to what others have already said, Aux even mentions that some windspren have joined the Iriali caravan:

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I can leave now! Any of us can. There are some in the caravan, even some windspren and other smaller ones. Cultivation fled, and it was her bond with Honor, and their agreement with Odium, that locked us here.

So it seems pretty likely that those are Sigzil’s platespren following him!