Bnaya Posted December 23, 2024 Posted December 23, 2024 So, in RoW ch. 111 ishar said to szeth: “Your father was barely a man when I found him,” Ishar said. “The Shin had accepted the Unmade. Tried to make gods of them. I saved them. And your father did give me this Blade. He thanked me for letting him die.” Was he lying or delusional? Why would he lie? It doesnt make sense to me now that we know what really happen in shinovar. 1
alder24 Posted December 23, 2024 Posted December 23, 2024 4 hours ago, Bnaya said: So, in RoW ch. 111 ishar said to szeth: “Your father was barely a man when I found him,” Ishar said. “The Shin had accepted the Unmade. Tried to make gods of them. I saved them. And your father did give me this Blade. He thanked me for letting him die.” Was he lying or delusional? Why would he lie? It doesnt make sense to me now that we know what really happen in shinovar. Probably both. At this time he was Tezim, the god-king of Tukar, which was a different persona than Ishar. But Ishar himself lied and manipulated Szeth all throughout his past in Shinovar, so Ishar lying to force Szeth to once more accomplish his goal is in line with his character. WaT ch 33: Quote “Damage,” Ishar said, turning to regard the lightless, rolling Shin hills. “Your Bondsmith pretender attacked me. Changed me. I … saw things I thought I’d forgotten. In that moment, Tezim died, but I need that name no longer. I can be Ishar, who Ascended to the position of the Almighty.”
MagicMaggot Posted December 23, 2024 Posted December 23, 2024 There is a lot about Ishar's plans and actions that makes no sense whatsoever, yet. I really hope we get some more explanations, when we get to see the heralds interacting in the safe space their minds go to when they don't want to think about being tortured. But yes, for basically everything "well, he is really, really delusional, why would you expect to understand?" is a possible explanation. I mean, the guy had control over a power source, an understanding of magic that shards found impressive and helpful, and command over all the honorblades (minus Jezrien's), with the needed mastery of all the surges. And we mostly know the modern him for letting himself be worshipped by some backwater nation and doing creepy experiments with spren and humans, while repeatedly stating that he had the solution for the war, if they'd just ask him. I'd like to hear what that was supposed to be for, On the quote in question, though... Yeah, that just sounds flat-out wrong. Though I guess with some confusion about timeframes there might be some sense in it? Maybe there was Unmade activity in Shinovar, until Ishar/Tezim took an interest? Maybe there was some (indirect) contact between him and Seth's father, before Seth was born? Delusion and lies are certainly the easiest explanation, but I wouldn't totally rule out some hints about what really was going on in Shinovar before being in there.
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