IcedOutPenguin He/Him Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 Can you bond multiple spren, or can you bond a spren and then steal a bond with Hemalurgy? Also what would happen if you had double Gravitation, Progression, or Transformation, or other surges?
Treamayne Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 9 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said: Can you bond multiple spren, or can you bond a spren and then steal a bond with Hemalurgy? Also what would happen if you had double Gravitation, Progression, or Transformation, or other surges? WoBs: Spoiler Quote Questioner Could someone bond with two spren and wield two swords? Brandon Sanderson It is theoretically possible, but the spren aren't going to like it. So you are not going to see it very often. Firefight Seattle Public Library signing (Jan. 7, 2015) Quote Questioner Can you have multiple spren? Brandon Sanderson Can you have multiple spren at once? This is theoretically possible, to have multiple spren. They would both have to agree, which might be difficult to get them... But it is possible. Good question. Someone may have done that already... It's pretty obvious, too. You should be able to figure out who that is from Rhythm of War. It's not two different Orders. Dragonsteel 2023 (Nov. 21, 2023) Quote Questioner I was wondering if a Hemalurgic spike would take surges, or if it could take a spren bond? Would it interact at all for that? Brandon Sanderson Hemalurgy can interact with every one of the magics. I designed it specifically in writing Mistborn for future use. Because some of the magics are so limited by their planet I wanted one that transcended all of them and Hemalurgy is very important to the entire cosmere. Its invention is a thing of great power and great danger to the entire cosmere. Words of Radiance San Francisco signing (March 6, 2014) Quote Questioner So, the fan page wanted to know. Would it be possible for Hemalurgy to steal a living Shardblade? That was the top voted question. Brandon Sanderson Ok, so you're bonded to a Shardblade. You get spiked, then they spike off the bond so that the Shardblade is bonded to someone else. Questioner I assume so... Brandon Sanderson But can they do it with a living Shardblade? You can definitely do it with a dead Shardblade because its just stealing the Connection. With a living Shardblade, yes you could do that 'though the spren could break the bond at will. Questioner So the spren would survive? That was the second-- the corollary-- Brandon Sanderson Ehhh. Would the spren survive? The spren would survive as long as the oaths were-- Questioner Intact? Brandon Sanderson --the person didn't break the oaths. But you could theoretically steal the bond, break the oaths, and kill the spren. If you wanted to. Its a very convoluted to kill a spren, they are easier to kill than that, but yes. You could do that. That is a viable but twisted route that you can do. You would end up with a dead spren and a Shardblade, so there is that. But there are easier ways to accomplish that... White Sand vol.1 Orem signing (June 29, 2016) Quote Questioner For the Honorblades, if somebody that was already a Radiant used an Honorblade, would they get that Surge also? Brandon Sanderson It is possible to get multiples, yes. Words of Radiance Philadelphia signing (March 21, 2014) Quote Questioner If a Radiant uses an Honorblade or binds a second spren, could they get new abilities/resonances by having access to Surges that aren't usually combined? Brandon Sanderson Yes, they could. Indeed. San Diego Comic-Con@Home 2020 (July 23, 2020) There is no data I can find on double access to a Surge affecting anything, because you still manipulate teh surge in the same way, and efficiency on Stormlight use with a surge is controlled by oath-level, not having multiple access to that ability. With Honorblades, you would gain access to surges you do not already have, but there are no indications that having a repeat surge affects how you use that surge. Hope that helps 1
Trusk'our he/him Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 5 minutes ago, Treamayne said: With Honorblades, you would gain access to surges you do not already have, but there are no indications that having a repeat surge affects how you use that surge. Honorblades are a bit finicky. If you bond one that shares Surges with your Radiant Order you'll receive a slight increment to your Surgebinding power, but not much. Spoiler https://wob.coppermind.net/events/222-words-of-radiance-houston-signing/#e5618 Questioner (paraphrased) If a non-Windrunner picked up Jezrien's Honorblade would they gain Windrunner powers as well? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. Questioner (paraphrased) If a Windrunner picked up that blade, would their abilities be enhanced? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) There would be some compounding but strength is not as much an issue with Surgebinding as is the strength of the spren bond and how much Stormlight you are using. 2
+Lewis Nethur He/Him Posted November 15, 2024 Posted November 15, 2024 On 11/13/2024 at 7:43 PM, IcedOutPenguin said: Can you bond multiple spren, or can you bond a spren and then steal a bond with Hemalurgy? Also what would happen if you had double Gravitation, Progression, or Transformation, or other surges? Can one bond multiple spren? Yes. Should one? Well...it's a self-limiting system on purpose. Theoretically, a single proto-Radiant with a completely vapid and blank personality should theoretically be able to swear the first ideal to one spren of each order and gain access to (almost) all of the surges fair and square pretty much upfront (some, like Division, seem to be specifically hard locked, so one might only get "most" of the surges doing this). That said...Spren can talk to eachother and would likely have some serious concerns about arbitrarily piling extra superpowers onto a person who is openly exploiting them or has no legitimate hope of progressing to greater Oaths/Ideals (every one of which is permanently binding!); also, any one of them could break the bond at any time, which could result in a cascade collapse and total loss of power once initiated since the first Ideal is common between all of them. Swearing up to the second and third Ideal between two Spren might Theoretically be easier than swearing up to the 5th ideal with one, buuuuuut...one is going to start running into interpersonal dynamics that functionally look a lot like what one would encounter for maintaining multiple spouses would be my guess, and that doesn't play out the way most folks think... I think It has been implied thus far by WoB that Radiants simultaneously bonded to two different orders are just never going to be shown on screen. They could happen, but they just aren't going to because it would get too weird. Radiants changing orders deliberately, losing a spren by accident and getting a new one of the same or a different class, or bonding two spren of the same order are all still fair game as far as I'm aware though.
Raven Wilder Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 There's also the bit where Radiants need to have been "broken" in some way, creating cracks in their mental/spiritual psyche that the spren can fit into. So how broken does someone need to get to have room for two or more spren?
alder24 Posted December 6, 2024 Posted December 6, 2024 8 hours ago, Raven Wilder said: There's also the bit where Radiants need to have been "broken" in some way, creating cracks in their mental/spiritual psyche that the spren can fit into. So how broken does someone need to get to have room for two or more spren? You don't need to be broken to bond a spren, but being broken does make it easier (it grants access to the soul, but that's what the Nahel Bond itself does, which is the reason why you don't need to be broken). However there is an upper limit of how much bonds your spirit web can handle. Spoiler AndrewStirlingMacDonald (paraphrased) Is being a little bit crazy a prerequisite to becoming a Knight Radiant? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Well, so, for many of the cosmere magics to work, you have to... it has to get into the soul somehow. Right? Sometimes you ram it in by spiking someone else's soul and ripping off a piece and sticking it into yours. Sometimes, it just seeps in the cracks. Sometimes the bond allows it to kind of bypass some of this, but it's usually traumatic experience. So crazy is not required, but there's got to be a place for the magic to go, to get in. Shadows of Self Boston signing (Oct. 14, 2015) Spoiler Questioner Is someone limited to how many Nahel bonds they can form, or could someone go play Pokéspren and catch them all, getting access to all Surges? Brandon Sanderson There are limits to what a soul can handle. These limits are soft caps, not hard caps. Pokéspren is theoretically possible, but there would be hoops, not just the normal "I want to bond two spren" hoop, which is already a pretty big one. YouTube Spoiler Stream 4 (June 16, 2022) 2
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