Returned he/him Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 Do we have any definitive information on where Taravangian encountered the term "Nahel bond"? It'd be a term from the Shadowdays at most recent, and even the people most learned about the Radiants seemed not to know about the spren-bonding angle of their nature. That he is ruler of the city which maintains the Palanaeum seems the most obvious answer, but seems unsatisfying to me because there are just so many texts there. A more plausible guess is perhaps encountering a source with more direct access to the information. Gavilar probably knew it, and the Heralds on Roshar certainly did, as did Odium and Cultivation. Worldhoppers are another good guess, and I would wager that at least Mraize and Iyatil knew it prior to Way of Kings. Taravangian almost certainly knew the term before he wrote the Diagram (he uses it, but how could he have derived "Nahel" as a proper noun from his existing knowledge?). Is the most likely answer just an interaction, never described in-text, with someone who knew it?
Treamayne Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 37 minutes ago, Returned said: Do we have any definitive information on where Taravangian encountered the term "Nahel bond"? It'd be a term from the Shadowdays at most recent, and even the people most learned about the Radiants seemed not to know about the spren-bonding angle of their nature. It was implied that he learned much of this from Restares while in the Sons of Honor - before splitting off to form the Diagram. WoB Spoiler sonofstannis Both Amaram and Taravangian were members of Galivar's trusted circle before his death, so are the Sons of Honor and Diagram followers affiliated or separate groups with different agendas? Brandon Sanderson Different agendas, but similar origins. /r/books AMA 2015 (May 18, 2015) 3
alder24 Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 1 hour ago, Returned said: Do we have any definitive information on where Taravangian encountered the term "Nahel bond"? It'd be a term from the Shadowdays at most recent, and even the people most learned about the Radiants seemed not to know about the spren-bonding angle of their nature. That he is ruler of the city which maintains the Palanaeum seems the most obvious answer, but seems unsatisfying to me because there are just so many texts there. A more plausible guess is perhaps encountering a source with more direct access to the information. Gavilar probably knew it, and the Heralds on Roshar certainly did, as did Odium and Cultivation. Worldhoppers are another good guess, and I would wager that at least Mraize and Iyatil knew it prior to Way of Kings. Taravangian almost certainly knew the term before he wrote the Diagram (he uses it, but how could he have derived "Nahel" as a proper noun from his existing knowledge?). Is the most likely answer just an interaction, never described in-text, with someone who knew it? It was described in the in-world Words of Radiance book and Taravangian used it in his Diagram. Moreover Nohadon used it during Dalinar's vision so it's likely the term was mentioned in the Way of Kings as well. He might have either learned it from those books, or deduce it during his single day of transcendent brilliancy. WoK ch 60: Quote “Our own natures destroy us,” the regal man said, voice soft, though his face was angry. “Alakavish was a Surgebinder. He should have known better. And yet, the Nahel bond gave him no more wisdom than an ordinary man. Alas, not all spren are as discerning as honorspren.” [...] "They need to be better, old friend. We all do. The responsibility of what we’ve been given—whether it be the crown or the Nahel bond—needs to make us better.” WoR ch 35 epigraphs: Quote They also, when they had settled their rulings in the nature of each bond’s placement, called the name of it the Nahel bond, with regard to its ef ect upon the souls of those caught in its grip; in this description, each was related to the bonds that drive Roshar itself, ten Surges, named in turn and two for each order; in this light, it can be seen that each order would by necessity share one Surge with each of its neighbors. —From Words of Radiance, chapter 8, page 6 WoR ch 77 epigraphs: Quote One danger in deploying such a potent weapon will be the potential encouragement of those exploring the Nahel bond. Care must be taken to avoid placing these subjects in situations of powerful stress unless you accept the consequences of their potential Investiture. —From the Diagram, Floorboard 27: paragraph 6 3
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