Battle is coming at 3 fronts! what our we going to lose?!

[feruchemicalrockband]

On 10/8/2024 at 6:48 AM, Catlito said:

Looks like Nale and the Skybreakers could easily take Urithiru if its undefended but narratively it looks too much like a repeat of Rythm of War  .

For the rest I think the coalition is gonna lose 1 or 2 kingdoms. Sigzil and Jasnah not going anywhere so Azir fall with Adolin brave death seems the most logical 

This idea about Odium-aligned surgebinders being able to function within Urithiru has been passed around a ton, except we've seen that the Tower is able to repel them. Moash used the honorblade and Stormlight, but because of his connection to Odium he was cast out. You can assume that the same goes for Nale and the Skybreakers, as they are connected to him through the law. They may not have given him his pain, but they have certainly abandoned personal responsibility to the letter of the law.

[Aon Tia she/her]

16 hours ago, feruchemicalrockband said:

This idea about Odium-aligned surgebinders being able to function within Urithiru has been passed around a ton, except we've seen that the Tower is able to repel them. Moash used the honorblade and Stormlight, but because of his connection to Odium he was cast out. 

Something weird happened with him for sure, but I always thought that it had specifically to do with him. He was blind after he witnessed the waking up of the Tower may be because he was standing right in front of it. And then he ran out or something, i dont think he was cast out!? I dont think the same applies to all others. 

16 hours ago, feruchemicalrockband said:

You can assume that the same goes for Nale and the Skybreakers, as they are connected to him through the law. They may not have given him his pain, but they have certainly abandoned personal responsibility to the letter of the law.

I think we have learnt so far that the oaths are very Intentional and subjective and not as crystal clear as one would think. The fact that Skybreakers think and genuinely believe that they are following the word of law, makes it to be so in their case. Now, whose law they need to law, well that is very subjective and I think being 5th level KR, Nale gets to decide. And others, being 3rd/4th level KRs have decided to follow Nale. So i dont see their being a problem. There spren are granting them these powers and have accepted their oaths and not the tower. 
 

[The Stick]

20 hours ago, feruchemicalrockband said:

This idea about Odium-aligned surgebinders being able to function within Urithiru has been passed around a ton, except we've seen that the Tower is able to repel them. Moash used the honorblade and Stormlight, but because of his connection to Odium he was cast out. You can assume that the same goes for Nale and the Skybreakers, as they are connected to him through the law. They may not have given him his pain, but they have certainly abandoned personal responsibility to the letter of the law.

So, to this, I also though that this was specifically because it was Moash. The thing about Moash is that he's extremely deeply connected to Odium, who has his pain. When the Sibling reawoke, it went to full power. We know that the Sibling said this chapter that her beats drive Fused mad. I would say from the scene in RoW where Moash is desperately lashing himself down the corridor at exponential acceleration to escape, he was doing it to reconnect to Odium to lose his pain again. As such, I don't necessarily think the Tower will have the same effect on Male and the skybreakers. The only thing I can say is that since we don't know how Moash's eyes were burned away, we can't be sure there is not some second defense mechanism.

[teknopathetic he/him]

Team Honour cant just be on the defense the entire time. I hope they manage to make a play for something important in an unexpected way. 

There has to be a call back to Odium's promise not to touch Karbradth. 

Edited October 11, 2024 by teknopathetic

[Wanguu He/Him]

2 hours ago, teknopathetic said:

Team Honour cant just be on the defense the entire time. I hope they manage to make a play for something important in an unexpected way. 

There has to be a call back to Odium's promise not to touch Karbradth. 

I have been hoping that they get some unexpected chance to take back Alethkar, Jah Keved, etc. The current state of the world is pretty heavily favored towards odium, so it makes me wonder if the back half will be about reclaiming Roshar for everyone and not just humans or singers.

Also, does anyone know the relative population count of singers vs humans? 'hundreds of thousands' has been reported for the number of singers, is this true? And would the humans be in the hundreds of millions like medieval Eurasia?

Edited October 11, 2024 by Wanguu
double post

[The Stick]

59 minutes ago, Wanguu said:

I have been hoping that they get some unexpected chance to take back Alethkar, Jah Keved, etc. The current state of the world is pretty heavily favored towards odium, so it makes me wonder if the back half will be about reclaiming Roshar for everyone and not just humans or singers.

Also, does anyone know the relative population count of singers vs humans? 'hundreds of thousands' has been reported for the number of singers, is this true? And would the humans be in the hundreds of millions like medieval Eurasia?

I think probably a lot less people. Primarily just because the geography on Roshar is so hostile. I would say if they have a force of maybe 100,000 after a few years of war, maybe they had something like 10 or 20 mil normally.

[Master Silver]

So, from the interlude that was read a couple of days ago, it sounds like Talin and Ashin are in Azimir. If there are only a handful of Fused, and both Adolin and Colot swear ideals, it is possible that we see two Heralds win the day in a couple of minutes. For Adolin I think he may say several oaths in quick succession because he knows them and has lived them. The third ideal may be slightly tailored. Something like this: Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination. I will remember those who have been forgotten. I will listen to those who have been ignored, including my father.  Side note: perhaps the way the Heralds were able to remain functional is by just consuming a very large amount of Stormlight all the time. If Tower light, doesn't really run out, they may actually be functional in the Tower. Maybe they need to re-swear/re-bond their blades first. But for Talin at least this would make tons of sense. 

Here is a map compliments go to the wonderful people found here: Wind and Truth Read-Along Discussion: Chapters 19 and 20 - Reactor (reactormag.com) One note, there are 1k fused headed to the shattered plains.

[Confused]

On 10/8/2024 at 7:09 PM, The Stick said:

I think you are seriously underestimating Navani. It is irrelevant if the tower knocks out Skybreakers, while she is in the Tower, Navani is essentially impossible to kill, unless they give the Sibling anti-light. Plus, you are also discounting that the Sibling fundamentally is the Tower. Now they are at full strength, I would imagine that the Sibling could just control the pressure in the Tower to squash invading Skybreakers. [Bold added.]

This is the best statement to counter my theory that the real purpose of the 3 attacks is to empty the Tower, kill or capture Navani, and deprive the Sibling of the ability to make Towerlight to weaken Dalinar. But the post acknowledges a potential flaw:

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In talking to Dalinar earlier, she’d learned that a Radiant leaving would lose Towerlight almost immediately.

WaT, Chapter 14 (emphasis added).

Bondsmiths are Radiants. Would Navani wander away from the Tower because she feels safe with the battles elsewhere? How far might she go? Would she risk the temporary loss of Towerlight to test the Sibling's limits? She's not the type to rely solely on Dalinar's word. Would some Skybreakers, or other Odium minions, wait for that possibility? Might they set up a diversion to induce her to leave the Tower?

I raise this issue because IMO winning the battles is less important to Odium than winning Dalinar's soul to lead the "Greater War." Odium himself will remain bound to the Rosharan system in any event, regardless of how much land he controls. What is mere land to a Shard? But Taravangian cannot bear the cosmere's pain. He wishes to become the One God to stop feeling that pain; hence, he needs to conquer the cosmere, at least in his own mind.

If the real goal is to win the contest and "draft" Dalinar to lead his army, depriving Dalinar of both Stormlight and Towerlight during the contest seems a good way to go. I still believe this approach makes the most strategic sense for Odium. Rosharan land battles are irrelevant to this purpose. My two cents.

[teknopathetic he/him]

Can Shadesmaar be conquered as well in the same way?