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The Forbidden Resonance (including Wind and Truth)


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First of all a Spoiler warning for ALL of the Cosmere, including advancement.

I would like to start by reviewing what a resonance is: resonance, as Khriss mentions, is a kind of "additional effect" resulting from the interaction of two or more powers within a person [1]. In RPG player language, it would be something like a passive ability.
A well-known example is the "strength of squires", a resonance belonging to the order of radiant knights of the Windrunners. This resonance causes this order to have an abnormally high number of squires associated with a knight [2].
Having already reviewed the term 'resonance', I think it is fair to explain the reason for the title of the publication. Well, an idea that I have had for a long time is that the resonances belonging to the orders of radiant knights are not purely generated by the interaction of their two powers (in the previous case they would be Adhesion and Gravitation) but in addition to them, the same radiant system is resonating making them 3 "power" resonances instead of just 2. My basis for this is the following WoB's:

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Ray745

You have stated that each Knights Radiant Order gets their own unique ability, for lack of a better word, due to the combination of their Surges. For instance, you have stated this ability for the Windrunners is strength of squires. My question - is this due to the Nahel bond, or just inherent in the Surges combining. Would a non-Radiant get these abilities from the Honorblades, or would they be out of luck due to no Nahel bond?

Brandon Sanderson

Good question! The unique abilities have more to do with the powers interacting, same as how Twinborn will often manifest some odd side effects of the powers interacting. But there are limitations. For example, Jezrien didn't actually have any squires, as none of the Heralds did.

General Reddit 2016 (Oct. 4, 2016)

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Brandon Sanderson

Lashings

I'll be referencing the original draft of The Way of Kings (AKA Way of Kings Prime), written in 2002, as I feel it will probably be fun for readers to see how the book evolved over time. Every other book of mine you've read was conceived and executed over a relatively short period. The Way of Kings is different—it had a lot of evolving to do before hitting the state it's in now.

One of those evolutions was the magic. Mistborn had one of my best magic systems to date. In Way of Kings Prime (written before Mistborn) we only had two types of magic: Shardblades and Soulcasting. Shardblades were great, but not really magic. Soulcasting didn't work so well. [Assistant Peter's note: There was also something called Windrunning, but it was completely different from the version we know now.]

Mistborn really upped the ante in terms of magic in my books, and I wanted The Way of Kings to have a more dynamic, interesting magic system. That is one factor in why I waited so long to release it.

I finally worked out Lashings while on tour for The Well of Ascension. (That was the tour I went on following the call from Harriet, asking if I was interested in finishing The Wheel of Time.) What I liked about the Lashings system was the visual power and the means of manipulating gravity and pressure in interesting visual and creative ways. I had already built into the sensibilities of the world the idea that there were ten fundamental forces I had based on the idea of fundamental forces in our world's physics. It all fit together nicely.

Anyway, Szeth (named Jek in the first version of the book) was a more ordinary assassin in the original. He didn't have powers beyond being a really, really good killer.

The Way of Kings Annotations (Sept. 29, 2017)
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Shardplate is said to be made by Awakeners which are different from Nalthian Awakeners and the equivalent of Soulcasters.

Coppermind Way of Kings Prime

Well, this being the case, my line of thought led me to believe that the resonances of the radiants are slight alterations in the functioning of specific points of their radiant abilities, affecting the squire system or other things such as healing speed (I must admit that This is still very speculative on my part). At this point, an interesting idea also occurred to me:

If the Windrunners see the number of squires they can have modified, can a similar order such as that of the Bondsmiths see the "quality" of the squires they attract modified?
What can be considered a quality squire?

Well, initially one that links a Sprens quickly. But we can take this further. Since Sanderson explained that double binding was possible but that keeping both oaths would be extremely complicated [4] for me the person who will achieve that would be considered one of the best knights radiant (note, not a better fighter or a better person, simply a better base roster as far as the system is concerned).
Well, all this was simply a fun idea in my head-canon, that the Bondsmiths would turn into squires those who had the qualities of swearing to two orders at the same time, I mean, it even fits their purpose when seeking relationships between different groups and thus smooth out acrimony between them (In my opinion, if these individuals had existed during the desolations, the misunderstandings between orders could have been mitigated by their presence, being a kind of "ambassadors" between orders by understanding both perspectives)


Then came Shallan's breakthrough in Wind and Truth and the possibility appeared. Here it is explained that dual bonding was locked out of the box while Honor was around and that it is now possible. As soon as I read this my brain clicked, the Bondsmiths in the books don't seem to have access to the squire system (yes, it's something I always had in mind, that's why it was a "fun idea" to me) and the people who They called in their squires, they did it more than anything out of conviction, but what if this was a side effect of the double binding being blocked? A resonance that, due to the intervention of the shard, has no reason to exist, not because it has been specifically eliminated, but because what it should have affected was prohibited. Here is the reason for the title 'The Forbidden Resonance'.

Now I don't pretend that things actually turn out like this in the books, it is obvious that many of my proposals are based on various assumptions, I simply looked for an excuse to publish this idea that I had floating around in my head for a long time, a group of double radiants that would function as bridges between the different orders to avoid conflicts and unite them.

Just one last thought:

It is quite curious that one of the orders that apparently cannot have squires, shares a surge with the one that has the greatest amount per unit of radiant. Furthermore, resonances arise through the interactions of said powers.

 

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12 hours ago, Dofurion said:

Having already reviewed the term 'resonance', I think it is fair to explain the reason for the title of the publication. Well, an idea that I have had for a long time is that the resonances belonging to the orders of radiant knights are not purely generated by the interaction of their two powers (in the previous case they would be Adhesion and Gravitation) but in addition to them, the same radiant system is resonating making them 3 "power" resonances instead of just 2. My basis for this is the following WoB's:

Well, a resonance makes two powers kind of merge into a single one. So it's not making them have 3 powers, it's actually making them have only one power, being made of two power - kind of like Mistborn spoilers:

Spoiler

Shards merge - Harmony is one Shard made out of two powers. 

The powers interfere with each other and act like one power. WoBs:

Spoiler

[...]

Brandon Sanderson

The idea of resonance is that two powers, combined, meld kind of into one single power. This is a manifestation of the way Shards combine. 

Miscellaneous 2016 (Dec. 15, 2016)

 

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Questioner

So in The Stormlight Archive, they have the two Surges, and they have a third power effect, right?

Brandon Sanderson

They have kind of effects on each other, like a reverberation. Yes. I wouldn’t call it expressly a third power, I’d call it interactions.

Questioner

So, it seems like...you don’t have to confirm anything, but it seems like Kaladin is able to transfer his powers to his men following him…

Brandon Sanderson

The Windrunners are known for having lots of squires.

Questioner

That's the one I thought was really compelling. And the Skybreakers seem like they’re really good at hunting people down.

Brandon Sanderson

I’m not going to answer any of those! But good questions!

Calamity Austin signing (Feb. 25, 2016)

 

12 hours ago, Dofurion said:

Well, initially one that links a Sprens quickly. But we can take this further. Since Sanderson explained that double binding was possible but that keeping both oaths would be extremely complicated [4] for me the person who will achieve that would be considered one of the best knights radiant (note, not a better fighter or a better person, simply a better base roster as far as the system is concerned).

The more powers you have, the less resonance there is between them. Mistborn spoiler WoB:

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OrangeJedi

Do Mistborn have resonances?

Brandon Sanderson

*Hesitantly* Everybody does, but they're not as pronounced.

OrangeJedi

Is that because they just have so many powers?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah.

Orem Signing (March 16, 2019)

 

13 hours ago, Dofurion said:

Well, all this was simply a fun idea in my heath-canon, that the Bondsmiths would turn into squires those who had the qualities of swearing to two orders at the same time, I mean, it even fits their purpose when seeking relationships between different groups and thus smooth out acrimony between them (In my opinion, if these individuals had existed during the desolations, the misunderstandings between orders could have been mitigated by their presence, being a kind of "ambassadors" between orders by understanding both perspectives)


Then came Shallan's breakthrough in Wind and Truth and the possibility appeared. Here it is explained that dual bonding was locked out of the box while Honor was around and that it is now possible. As soon as I read this my brain clicked, the Bondsmiths in the books don't seem to have access to the squire system (yes, it's something I always had in mind, that's why it was a "fun idea" to me) and the people who They called in their squires, they did it more than anything out of conviction, but what if this was a side effect of the double binding being blocked? A resonance that, due to the intervention of the shard, has no reason to exist, not because it has been specifically eliminated, but because what it should have affected was prohibited. Here is the reason for the title 'The Forbidden Resonance'.

Now I don't pretend that things actually turn out like this in the books, it is obvious that many of my proposals are based on various assumptions, I simply looked for an excuse to publish this idea that I had floating around in my head for a long time, a group of double radiants that would function as bridges between the different orders to avoid conflicts and unite them.

Just one last thought:

It is quite curious that one of the orders that apparently cannot have squires, shares a surge with the one that has the greatest amount per unit of radiant. Furthermore, resonances arise through the interactions of said powers.

 

I don't think Bondsmiths would take squires from people who are in another order, or will be in the future - this is far too problematic and unlikely to happen. Squires themselves aren't a resonance, it's part of the nature of the Nahel Bond. There are Orders that don't have squires, but we know that Bondsmiths did have squires in the past. However, unlike any other order, those squires didn't get any powers from that, which is weird indeed. I highly doubt this is because they belong to another order at the same time (as this didn't happen in the past), or some hidden resonance, it's probably about the nature of god spren Bondsmiths are bound to. They aren't ordinary spren.

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Questioner

Can a Radiant join multiple Orders?

Brandon Sanderson

This was not done in the past.

Questioner

Or become a squire of a different Order?

Brandon Sanderson

It is actually not impossible for this to happen; it simply was not done.

Questioner

If Dalinar became a Lighweaver squire or had the Lightweaver Honorblade, could he create the Roshar map himself?

Brandon Sanderson

This is going to depend on factors. It is possible, but highly implausible, following another highly implausible set of circumstances that would actually allow him to actually do that. (Though getting the Honorblade would not be as difficult.)

Footnote: Brandon has commented on this twice before.
RoW Release Party (Nov. 17, 2020)

 

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Brandon Sanderson

Bondsmith

I will unite

Bondsmith oaths are focused on unity, unification, and bringing others together. However, this is a loose theme, as there are so few Bondsmiths—and the three sources of their powers are so different in personality—that the oaths can end up taking a variety of different shapes, depending on the situation.

Anyone can become a Bondsmith, subject to persuading one of the three spren who grant Bondsmith powers. Those powers tend to work differently for one Bondsmith than another, and even those Surges they share with other Orders tend to work differently for Bondsmiths.

The Bondsmiths are unusual in that there are never more than three full members. Historically, they worked to resolve disputes and help set up functioning governments. Even though there can only be three full members, there were times that some Bondsmiths did take squires. Beyond that, many of the retinues that protected the Bondsmiths were considered members of the Order–going so far as to swear oaths, even though they didn’t have a spren and never would. Some even called this the most pure form of being a Radiant, because these were oaths sworn not in the name of gaining powers, but simply for the good of the oaths themselves.

Bondsmiths are generally the heart and soul of the Radiants, the most protected and highly regarded of the Orders, capable of doing incredible things with the nature of oaths, bonds, and power. The Order, including the aforementioned squires and attendants, tends to attract the peacemakers of the world, those who want to bring people together rather than divide them.

The Ten Orders of Knights Radiant (June 9, 2020)

 

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Dan Wells

Sixth Epoch, Year 31, Shashaches 6.3.1.

Bondsmiths

Bondsmiths are, well... different. For starters, there are only three of them at a time, because there are only three spren that can grant Bondsmith powers. Seems kind of strange for a Radiant Order whose whole job is to bring people together, right? But, see, that's where the strangeness continues. Every Order takes squires; that's nothing new. But Bondsmiths sometimes have whole groups of servants who swear oaths but gain no powers at all. Can you imagine? I think there's something beautifully pure about that. They might be the only people in any Order who've ever taken the oaths for purely selfless reasons. They can't do any Surgebinding, they don't get spren, they just... take the oaths. Because oaths are important, and the values they swear to uphold are worth upholding.

And those values, I admit, are pretty great. Bondsmiths unite things - mostly people, but also governments and kingdoms and armies and everything else. They negotiate treaties, and resolve disputes, and help people to see each other as people, instead of as rivals or foreigners or enemies. Their main power (if you can call it a power) is to help people find common ground, and get them to agree on things, and to make those agreements matter. No matter which of the three spren they bond with (and those three spren can produce some very different textures in the bond), the thing all Bondsmiths share is that they bring people together. They make people feel included and important. Sometimes, they're in the middle of those groups, corralling the actions and holding the attention. Sometimes, they're out on the edges, watching the group they created have new ideas and activities and adventures of their own. Either way, the Bondsmith is happy.

#SayTheWords (Feb. 28, 2024)

 

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Argent

There is a person on the forums who noticed that Shallan has this awesome Memory thing going on, Jasnah seems to have a really powerful, kind of, geolocation thing going on, Kaladin is a really good fighter - are those just their traits, or is there something supernatural going on?

Brandon Sanderson

There is something supernatural going on. Each Order... Well, how about this. If you look at the scholar interpretations, there are some scholars who think that these things are not supernatural, in the past, and some who said they definitely are. But many, if you look, many Lightweavers had powerful mnemonic abilities.

Argent

So it's definitely tied to the Orders?

Brandon Sanderson

It's tied to the Orders. Now, I am not going to say that you've got them all 100% correct, but each Order, there are things that come with Order, things that do not add up from simple the "you get this power plus this power," there is something else going on. And I would say that for Windrunners, watch the number of squires and the power of the squires... is abnormal for the Windrunners.

Argent

And each Order's squires are somehow different from the other Orders'?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeeeaaaah... some Orders don't have them, [that] is the difference.

Argent

 But some have more?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah.

Words of Radiance Chicago signing (March 22, 2014)

 

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On 7/10/2024 at 9:25 AM, alder24 said:

Well, a resonance makes two powers kind of merge into a single one. So it's not making them have 3 powers, it's actually making them have only one power, being made of two power - kind of like Mistborn spoilers:

Well, that's why I compared it with the passive skills of RPGs, they are not skills that can be used at will, but rather they are constant effects.

 

On 7/10/2024 at 9:25 AM, alder24 said:

The more powers you have, the less resonance there is between them.

Yes, but we still don't know the decay rate for the resonances. 3 powers could still generate a resonance.

 

On 7/10/2024 at 9:25 AM, alder24 said:

I don't think Bondsmiths would take squires from people who are in another order, or will be in the future - this is far too problematic and unlikely to happen. Squires themselves aren't a resonance, it's part of the nature of the Nahel Bond. There are Orders that don't have squires, but we know that Bondsmiths did have squires in the past. However, unlike any other order, those squires didn't get any powers from that, which is weird indeed. I highly doubt this is because they belong to another order at the same time (as this didn't happen in the past), or some hidden resonance, it's probably about the nature of god spren Bondsmiths are bound to. They aren't ordinary spren.

I don't think I ever said that the squires are a resonance, I am simply suggesting that in the case of the Radiants their resonances possibly also follow a pattern related to the system itself.

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