Franklin Posted March 14, 2024 Posted March 14, 2024 Can someone bond with a deadeye? also can a spren bond with two different people at the same time? 2
Trusk'our he/him Posted March 14, 2024 Posted March 14, 2024 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Franklin said: Can someone bond with a deadeye? also can a spren bond with two different people at the same time? Bonding a Deadeye is what happens when a Shardbearer Bonds to their blade. So, technically yes, but no Surgebinding is gained. As for a Spren Bonding multiple people, I'm fairly certain that the closest thing to this is Squires, as actually Bonding a Spren has to do with Identity and not just Connection, so two people plugging in a Connection to that Spren artificially probably wouldn't result in two Knights. Mistborn spoilers. Spoiler Orem signing (March 10, 2018) Questioner If a Knight Radiant were to store Connection and Identity into the appropriate metalminds on a heavy basis, would it affect their spren bond, and how? Brandon Sanderson Oh, right. Yes, but I won't answer the how, but it definitely has an effect. Edited March 14, 2024 by Trusk'our 3
+Lewis Nethur He/Him Posted March 14, 2024 Posted March 14, 2024 1 hour ago, Franklin said: Can someone bond with a deadeye? also can a spren bond with two different people at the same time? Except in the case of squires, I would expect that the nature of the Oaths that Ishi bound the Radiants and spren to uphold would inadvertently prevent a spren from bonding two Radiants even though a Radiant can theoretically bond two spren at the same time. That is to say, a Radiant bonding two spren is obligated to being more and more constrained and, for lack of a better word, controlled in their actions as they progressed through an additional set of 5 oaths. The spren however would not be any further bound in what they could or couldn't do (because they would be accepting basically the same oaths over and over) if they were able to bond with many people...they would just get more and more powerful with no drawbacks that I can think of, which seems counter-intuitive to the fundamental nature of the bond. A spren that was somehow able to be freed from and reverted back to a state of oathless bonding might be able to do some pretty wild and uncontrollable interactions though, in a similar way to how an unchained bondsmith could wreak absolute havoc on just about anyone or anything.
alder24 Posted March 14, 2024 Posted March 14, 2024 11 hours ago, Franklin said: Can someone bond with a deadeye? also can a spren bond with two different people at the same time? As said earlier, every Shardbearer is bonded with their deadeye Shardblade, but that's not a Nahel Bond, no powers are gained with that bond. The Nahel Bond requires conscious agreement from a spren and a deadeye can't do that, because their mind and soul is too severely damaged. Have you read RoW? Spoilers for RoW: Spoiler Adolin is forming a special bond with his deadeye Maya, which allows them to do more than normally is possible, but that is also not a Nahel Bond. RoW ch 94: Quote Blended strolled around Adolin and studied Maya’s face. “Still scratched out…” she said. “Though a bond between you is.” “I’m … no Radiant,” Adolin said. “No. That is certain.” Maya met Blended’s gaze. “But something is happening." There is one known spren that successfully bonded with many people at once - Ba-Ado-Mishram. She bonded with every Singer and gave them Forms of Power and Voidlight. But that's not the same as a Radiant Nahel Bond. A True Spren is not as big as an Unmade, and the Nahel Bond is a bit more restrictive. Technically speaking, the Nahel Bond is a Spren filling cracks in Radiant's soul with their own soul. A True Spren won't be able to share his own soul like that between two different people. WoR synopsis: Quote It is the nature of the magic. A broken soul has cracks into which something else can be fit. Surgebindings, the powers of creation themselves. They can brace a broken soul; but they can also widen its fissures. The Emperor's Soul spoilers: Spoiler However something like that might be theoretically possible, but it would require a non-standard hacking - like using Forgery. A skilled Forger might be able to Forge his soul to bond a spren that is already bonded with someone else, just like they can do with bonding a Shardblade owned by someone else. This would be very confusing for a spren and they would be definitely able to break that Forged bond any time they want, but it would count. Spoiler Lady Radagu If Shai were to gain a Shardblade and she gave it up, could she then create an Essence Mark that represented the history where she still had the blade? And then if she applied it could she summon the blade? Or a copy of it? Brandon Sanderson Okay, so doing that sort of thing, like re-writing herself to be an Allomancer or something like this -- This is possible but in order to gain the Investiture she wants to have she will have to input that much in Investiture which her current magic system is not capable of doing. Okay? Alright, so "re-write so that I have a Shardblade" would require some sort of hacking of her magic system, which is currently impossible to her in her current situation. Lady Radagu So if she had had a Shardblade and gave it up she could not rewrite herself to have that back without more input -- Brandon Sanderson She could-- Yes, exactly. Now rewriting-- That would be a lot easier than just rewriting herself so that she had a Shardblade-- Lady Radagu That's what I was asking-- Brandon Sanderson Yeah, but what you're asking about would be much easier and that is probably within her power. But what that would do is-- Yeah that's totally within her power. It would create some weird implications where she's summoning it and someone summons it back from her because the Shardblade thinks it's owned by two people. Lady Radagu So it wouldn't be a copy it would be the same Blade? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Firefight release party (Jan. 5, 2015) But, while a spren can't bond two knights, a person can bond two or more spren. That would however require all spren to agree to share that person, something that not all might be willing to agree. Spoiler Questioner Could a Radiant ever belong to multiple Orders? Brandon Sanderson This is theoretically possible, but it was not done in the past. It’s just not a thing that you did. It was not kosher. But it is theoretically possible. You’d have to find spren that had volition, and you would have to convince multiple demigods to be okay with this. The fact that you can be a Knight Radiant and you could pick up one of the Honorblades and have access to those Surges… I mean, there’s an easier way to do it, in that case. (If you consider getting a hold of one of the Honorblades to be easy.) But it is theoretically possible to have something like that happen. Waterstones RoW Release Event (Nov. 18, 2020) 11 hours ago, Trusk'our said: As for a Spren Bonding multiple people, I'm fairly certain that the closest thing to this is Squires, I think Squires are bonded to a Radiant, not to their spren directly. A Radiant shares his Nahel Bond through his Connections to Squires, so I don't think this would count at all. 2
Trusk'our he/him Posted March 14, 2024 Posted March 14, 2024 1 hour ago, alder24 said: I think Squires are bonded to a Radiant, not to their spren directly. A Radiant shares his Nahel Bond through his Connections to Squires, so I don't think this would count at all. Agreed. Sorry I made it sound the other way, I've been using my mobile account more recently and it makes it much harder to dictate what I mean.
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