Predictions for Stones Unhallowed

[Newan he/him]

Here's a thread for discussing anything you think will happen in the next Stormlight Archive book.  

 

 

Jezrien's Honorblade: 

 

The Kholins are in Urithiru and now have Jezrien's honorblade.  Since Dalinar, Renarin, and Shallan all have surges of their own to practice, and Navani is busy making fabrials, I think they will let Adolin use the honorblade.  

 

The Stone Shamans are supposed to get the honorblade back.  I doubt they expect anyone to freely give up an honorblade.  My guess: they will come armed with at least one other honorblade.  

 

 

Adolin's Fate:

 

Since killing Sadeas in cold blood, Adolin will attempt to keep it a secret for a while.  Whether he eventually admits to it or someone else uncovers the truth, it will eventually come out into the open.  His father won't be happy with him, but he will defend his actions, and the little voice in his head will agree with him.  

 

He will begin to manifest traits of becoming a Releaser.  

 

 

Roshone:

 

After watching Kaladin's long struggle to trust lighteyes, I'm ready to see him forgive the heck out of somebody.  

 

 

Parshendi:

 

Eshonai will somehow figure out how to avoid transforming into a voidbringer.  She will begin to search for parsh who haven't been changed to build up a secret resistance.  Maybe Rlain will join her.  Separately, Venli will continue to lead the odious parshendi.  

 

 

Interludes:

 

I expect to see another Rysn interlude, showing off another part of the world we know nothing about.  Maybe New Natanatan or Rall Elorim.  (Actually, we probably won't learn about Rall Elorim until Lift's flashbacks in the back half of the series.)

 

Speaking of Lift, in the recent interview with buzzy mag, Brandon said we can expect more awesomeness in the next Stormlight Archive book.  Yay, Lift!

 

I'm hopeful for a Rock viewpoint.

 

When Axies hears about the strange spren surrounding the Voidbringers, I doubt he will be able to keep his curiosity at bay.  

[maxal she/her]

Here's a thread for discussing anything you think will happen in the next Stormlight Archive book.  

 

 

Jezrien's Honorblade: 

 

The Kholins are in Urithiru and now have Jezrien's honorblade.  Since Dalinar, Renarin, and Shallan all have surges of their own to practice, and Navani is busy making fabrials, I think they will let Adolin use the honorblade.  

 

The Stone Shamans are supposed to get the honorblade back.  I doubt they expect anyone to freely give up an honorblade.  My guess: they will come armed with at least one other honorblade.  

 

And Adolin will refuse to use it as he will claim he is unworthy. Most of his arc will deal with his feeling of unworthiness following the ascension of everyone he cares for to Radianhood while he is left behind suddenly becoming the black sheep of the family, the "problem" they'll have to deal with.

 

 

Adolin's Fate:

 

Since killing Sadeas in cold blood, Adolin will attempt to keep it a secret for a while.  Whether he eventually admits to it or someone else uncovers the truth, it will eventually come out into the open.  His father won't be happy with him, but he will defend his actions, and the little voice in his head will agree with him.  

 

He will begin to manifest traits of becoming a Releaser.  

 

The truth will come out, one way or another and Dalinar will go ballistic. Adolin will lose his shards as well as retribution for his actions and he'll drive him mad. He won't understand why, but losing his blade will feel like losing a part of his soul.

 

Adolin will clash openly with Dalinar and will become more obsess over right and wrong and about why it is right to sometimes do something wrong... He'll alienate himself most of his family and he'll find little support as everyone will think he has grown petty and jealous.

 

He will progressively lose it and his nerves will slowly give out, but he'll keep a composed outside face up until the last moment. Nobody will notice how bad he is until he cracks down under the pressure. In truth, most of his angst will be triggered by conflict between the growing nature of a Releaser he'll start to actively manifest and the honor and protocol obsess Dalinar the Bondsmith.

 

There will be a big showdown at the end where he'll claim his blade back while everyone will think he has gone crazy. The bond will start forming at the very end of the book and his spren will slowly come back to life. He will finally learn her name.

 

 

Roshone:

 

After watching Kaladin's long struggle to trust lighteyes, I'm ready to see him forgive the heck out of somebody.  

 

YES. Good one. I approve.

 

 

Parshendi:

 

Eshonai will somehow figure out how to avoid transforming into a voidbringer.  She will begin to search for parsh who haven't been changed to build up a secret resistance.  Maybe Rlain will join her.  Separately, Venli will continue to lead the odious parshendi.  

 

Makes sense. I think she will be seen mostly from the interludes.

 

 

 

I expect to see another Rysn interlude, showing off another part of the world we know nothing about.  Maybe New Natanatan or Rall Elorim.  (Actually, we probably won't learn about Rall Elorim until Lift's flashbacks in the back half of the series.)

 

Speaking of Lift, in the recent interview with buzzy mag, Brandon said we can expect more awesomeness in the next Stormlight Archive book.  Yay, Lift!

 

I'm hopeful for a Rock viewpoint.

 

When Axies hears about the strange spren surrounding the Voidbringers, I doubt he will be able to keep his curiosity at bay.  

Interludes:

 

I think Jasnah will take a large part of the interlude as she will slowly makes her way back to Urithiru.

 

I'd like to read about Redding too....

[Crystin Radiant]

Hmmm...

I think Jasnah will take a large part of the interlude as she will slowly makes her way back to Urithiru.

Perhaps. my thoughts are that maybe Kaladin will run into her in Kholinar (assuming he goes there after he gets to Hearthstone.) and will not believe that it is Jasnah at first. (my carry in length of one page to half the book, and he has never met Jasnah, so he can't confirm her identity)

Adolin may be ok with not being a Radiant, though I really don't know.

We will see more of Shallan and her involvement with the Ghostbloods. Hopefully Adolin will become less protective of Shallan, and she will love him more for that.

(I can see that, or Adolin becomes even more protective of Shallan, and she 'breaks up' with him for that, and begins a romantic relationship with Kaladin. (I hope this does not happen, and storm me, but if it does, I will throw this book across the hall and scream.))

We will see more of Gaz now that he is Shallan's guard.

Lopen will become Kaladin's squire, along with the rest of bridge four. Even Moash will become a squire, but every time he tries to summon his shard blade, he will hear it scream in his head.

Kaladin will return to Urithiru via the oath gate in Kholinar, and will tell Shallan he killed Herlan. (she may or may not forgive him.)

Renarin will become much more important. (Strategizing, maybe? He can see into the future, so maybe he can see the disaster, and help everyone choose the correct course of action.)

Jasnah will make it to Urithiru, and reunite with Shallan and the rest of her family. (Navani may or may not think that Shallan had lied to everyone about Jasnah being dead.)

Someone (possibly Renarin, Shallan, Dalinar, or maybe some of Bridge Four) will go looking for the others whom the Soren have chosen, and bring them to Urithiru. (I can see Dalinar doing this as part of his 'quest' to unite.)

And lastly, possible prologue viewpoints:

Sadias (was the decoy the night Gavilar was murdered; would be interesting)

Amaram (was seen talking to Gavilar in prologue to WoR, likely, but if we do get a prologue, it may possibly be in book five because it would probably give away too much about the Sons of Honor)

Parshmen or Parshendi (would be interesting, we might be able to understand the Parshmen a little more, though it would make more sense if this was in Eshonai's book.)

Other servants (could be interesting)

Guardsmen who encountered Szeth (could amount to a mood of horror appropriate to the apocalypse in the rest of the book.)

Someone from the beggars feast (not likely, but they would have seen Szeth)

Navani (I wonder how she felt what she was up to when her husband was brutally murdered)

We will 99% not see Dalinar as a prologue; he was drunk and half asleep when his brother was murdered.

These are all just speculations, some with no evidence behind them, but we'll see...

[sun tzaro]

 

The truth will come out, one way or another and Dalinar will go ballistic. Adolin will lose his shards as well as retribution for his actions and he'll drive him mad. He won't understand why, but losing his blade will feel like losing a part of his soul.

 

Adolin will clash openly with Dalinar and will become more obsess over right and wrong and about why it is right to sometimes do something wrong... He'll alienate himself most of his family and he'll find little support as everyone will think he has grown petty and jealous.

 

He will progressively lose it and his nerves will slowly give out, but he'll keep a composed outside face up until the last moment. Nobody will notice how bad he is until he cracks down under the pressure. In truth, most of his angst will be triggered by conflict between the growing nature of a Releaser he'll start to actively manifest and the honor and protocol obsess Dalinar the Bondsmith.

 

 

Now this would be cool to see. Now, I really do wonder what Kaladin will do with the Honorblade. Handing it to Adolin would be far too cut-and-dry, considering how Kaladin still mistrusts - if not resents - lighteyes. I don't think he'll give it to one of Bridge Four either, considering how well giving Shards to Moash worked out.

 

I think the idea of Adolin obsessing over the idea of doing wrong for the greater good is an excellent one, especially since it's an idea that is so directly opposed by the KR (journey before destination, yadda yadda). Although, Mr. T does already sort of fill that niche. 

 

 

We will see more of Gaz now that he is Shallan's guard.

 

 

Now, I've been wondering about the role of Gaz and Vathath in the rest of the series. 

 

While Sanderon is certainly fond of twists, in many ways he is a textbook writer (I mean, he is a teacher, right?) and I find it very unlikely that he'd introduce two characters like Gaz and Vathath, give them quite a bit of "screen"-time, and then have them remain unimportant for the rest of the series.

 

In fact, the more I think about this, the more sure I am - it would be exactly in Sanderson's style to throw a curveball like this.

 

Gaz and Vathath are going to become Squires. 

 

Think about it. There's no way that the Lightweaver Squires could all be on the level of artistic talent of a Lightweaver like Shallan. Shallan is a prodigy; there are very few like her. 

 

From what we've seen, Squires can't surgebind at all - they are only able to utilize Stormlight for enhanced speed and healing. I think that it's likely that artistic skills aren't requisite at all - perhaps the only requirement is loyalty to a KR, and Gaz and Vathath certainly are loyal to Shallan. And, in the same way that the Bridgeman emulate Kaladin in bravery, Gaz and Vathath seem to hold almost as many secrets as Shallan does. 

 

But more than that, think of the implications. Ex-mercenary Squires would be an incredible contrast to the Bridgeman Squires - especially considering their history with Gaz. I think Sanderson would have a field day with all the tension that would cause, and it would certainly be an elegant way of showing how different the KR orders can be. 

Edited October 4, 2014 by sun tzaro

[maxal she/her]

Adolin may be ok with not being a Radiant, though I really don't know.

We will see more of Shallan and her involvement with the Ghostbloods. Hopefully Adolin will become less protective of Shallan, and she will love him more for that.

(I can see that, or Adolin becomes even more protective of Shallan, and she 'breaks up' with him for that, and begins a romantic relationship with Kaladin. (I hope this does not happen, and storm me, but if it does, I will throw this book across the hall and scream.))

 

 

Adolin won't bug over not being a Radiant, he'll bug over not being "good enough" or "worthy enough". By the end of WoR, he has progressively lose all his groundings, everything he has always taken for granted was just suddenly taken away from him. His entire life is defined around protecting and caring for his loved one: he kills Sadeas to protect Dalinar, when he goes through his duel spree, the thoughts in his head are not "I will be champion" but "I will win shards for father".  Once he loses all this, what will be left for him? For the first time in his life, he is force to ponder as to where his place is, as to who he has, who he wants to be.

 

I don't think Adolin will grow more protective of Shallan, I think it is more the opposite we are going to see. Adolin needs some allies in what he is going to go through. Shallan may be one, I hope Kal will be the other. I also think Adolin may be the one to break up with Shallan as he will think he is not good enough for her anymore. It is also possible he'll confront Shallan, asking her if she would still marry him if he weren't Adolin Kohlin (in other words, the do you love me question), a question to which I do not think Shallan is ready to answer, hence the heartbreaking breakup.

 

 

Renarin will become much more important. (Strategizing, maybe? He can see into the future, so maybe he can see the disaster, and help everyone choose the correct course of action.)

 

Hmmm not sure, too early. I think we may start to understand how it is he got to be a Radiant. I think most of his arc will be about him moving out of his brother's shadow. As a result, I think there will be a fallout between these two as they won't understand each other. Renarin will fail to be there for his brother and won't realize the depth of his brother's despair until the end. He'll try to make it right.

 

 

Now this would be cool to see. Now, I really do wonder what Kaladin will do with the Honorblade. Handing it to Adolin would be far too cut-and-dry, considering how Kaladin still mistrusts - if not resents - lighteyes. I don't think he'll give it to one of Bridge Four either, considering how well giving Shards to Moash worked out.

 

I think the idea of Adolin obsessing over the idea of doing wrong for the greater good is an excellent one, especially since it's an idea that is so directly opposed by the KR (journey before destination, yadda yadda). Although, Mr. T does already sort of fill that niche. 

 

 

I think it is quite safe to assume Kaladin left the honorblade in Urithiru. I see three things happening with it:

 

1) It remains in the care of the bridgemen for the duration of the book.

2) It is offered to Adolin, but he refuses it because of his growing feeling of unworthiness. And it also mirrors Kal's refusal of the shards.

3) Elhokar claims it for himself as he is king and Dalinar thinks it is a marvelous idea and agrees, thus widening the gap between him and Adolin.

 

I think it is what the Releasers are for: doing the right thing even if it is wrong. Adolin has been actively doing just that ever since WoK. He goes and do the unthinkable because "it feels right". He has strong intuition and is rarely wrong, but he cannot truly control it yet. He know Sadeas is "an eel", he knows Kal is "hiding something", same about Amaram, but these are just feelings... They'll grow stronger. I believe the Releasers were very emotional and intuitive people whose role were to decipher the right from the wrong on a moral stand-point. Adolin will go deeper into this, but he'll get all mixed up as he is surrounded by honor bond people and Dalinar still has a too strong influence on him.

 

Edit: I was disrupted ealier as I had to get the kids ready for their swimming lesson... I wanted to add I love the idea of Jasnah meeting up with Kaladin at some point. Bringing her together with one of the main character would give her a greater spotlight then the occasional POV from the interlude sections.  It would also please greatly all the fans of the Kaladin/Jasnah ship as they would see interaction between these two.

 

As for Moash becoming a squire: no. Just plain no. I believe that to become a squire, you need to embody your knight's ideals. We saw it as Skar and Drehy start to use stormlight to rescue/protect Adolin: they managed to keep up with him and Adolin himself marveled at their readiness to help him. All the bridgemen are involved as bodyguards meant to protect the Kohlin family. Moash refused this role when he decided to kill Elhokar and as long as he believes it is in his right to do so, he certainly won't be a squire. He may have shown something akin to remorse at the end, but it was more remorse over having being drawn into something bigger than assassination then the assassination itself or this is how I understood it.

 

I do see Moash playing a further role and perhaps having a redemption arc where he appears, at the last possible moment, to rescue/help the Kohlin army with his shards, especially since I foresee the Kohlin family losing most of its shards as a result of Adolin's betrayal.

 

Anyway, I am not sure Windrunner squire is the position that would befit Moash the most... He does not have this impulse to protect like Kaladin, he seems to have a greater instinct to do what is right.... To see the law as twisted as it condemns the innocent and protect the guilty... Wouldn't he fit better as a Releaser's squire? If Adolin makes it to Radianhood, he is bond to get squires... and I do think some of the soldiers/bridgemen may step up to fill this role.

Edited October 4, 2014 by maxal

[AerionBFII he/him]

• Szeths past and his progress in the Skybreakers.

Hoid and his road trip with Jasnah. Bonnie and Clyde style..

The secret societies and their numerous plots.

Axies and his various and inconvenient incarcerations.

Thaidakar and Restares unveiled....

The Unmade

Kaladin finally bringing a girl home to meet his parents and the reunion between him Roshone and Laral.

Shallans awful attempts at humor.

Hoid and Frosts letters...

Last but not least the horrible wait for book 4...

[Newan he/him]

• Shallans awful attempts at humor.

 

You didn't think Shallan was funny in Words of Radiance? I thought she was much better in WoR than she was in tWoK, and I think she will continue to get wittier as the books go on. 

 

Someone once asked what would happen if Shallan tried to go toe to toe bantering with Hoid.  He said that at this point, she would be torn to threads, but that that could change in the future as she gets more experience.

 

Edit: I found quotes! from http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/7267-words-of-brandon-compiled-x-2/

 

Q:  Who would win in an argument, Shallan or Lightsong?

A:  [laughs]Lightsong. More practice.  Maybe Shallan would eventually be able to hold her own but at this point he would win.

...

Q:  Do we get to see any good banter between Wit and Shallan?

A:  She is not quite ready yet to be on his level.  And if you watch in the series, her use of humor will mature.  In fact you should be able to notice the difference between these two [books] even.  By later books, she will be able to stand a little bit better.  Right now, he would rip her to shreds.

Edited October 8, 2014 by New One

[Maverick]

Hi first post here but I have a lot of predictions for Stone Unhallowed

Kaladin & Jasnah:

Kal will reach Heartstone and take charge of the villagers and organise them to travel to Kholinar to get the Oathgate to Urithiru meeting some resistance from the suspicious. It will take Jasnah arriving and not having patience with Roshone, Laral and Kaladin takes charge and leads the people to the capital, obviously with some Hoidish shenanigans along the way or some Parshendi attacks possibly Venli leading this band.

Adolin:

He will be found out by Sadeas' wife Ialai and Amaram. This will be brought before the other highprinces and they will demand justice in accordance with the laws. Due to the stress and widening gap between himself and the others Adolin will become more alone in his mind and will try to do what he feels best. A trial will take place with some remarks being made about how the Skybreakers would oversee these matters of law. When Adolin's trial is done a sentence of death or exile will be put forth. Dalinar will secretly exile him but leave him his Shardblade. Adolin will then take a journey to Kholinar to meet Kaladin there to have the Oathgate open.

The Parshendi:

Eshonai will be found by the remaining Parshendi who escaped before they were changed by the odiumspren. She will be in dull form having found it the only way to contain the odiumspren. Rlain will be saddened by the lost of Eshonai and his people and will go back to the Plains to find them there.

Jezrien's Honorblade & Navani:

Navani will be given the Blade to study and will attempt to replicate it's power but will fail to create more of them. The Blade will instead drive the research of her and her artifabrians in the direction of trying to use Geranid's discovery to mimic the power of the Knights' control over the Surges.

Elhokar:

Elhokar will listen more to the advice of those around him. He will begin to become more familiar with the people in Urithiru and begin to take the lessons from the Way of Kings more seriously. He will keep trying to be a great king, but decides he cannot serve his people well until he understands them better. Elhokar will take a pilgrimage across Roshar like Nohadon in hopes to learn more about himself and to become a better leader like his father who he tries to emulate. As he leaves Navani will gift him with Jezrien's Honorblade and will leave behind both his old Shardblade and Gavilar's Blade and take the Honorblade as his own on his journey.

Szeth:

He will have his story of how he became Truthless told and he will be inducted into the Skybreakers along with Nightblood, of course. Szeth will revel in the purpose of the organisation in keeping order, but he will discover that through many tests of Nalan's that it isn't the law that the Skybreakers uphold but Nalan's warped idea of Justice. Szeth will see through Nalan's lies about upholding peace by killing new Radiants as the same he was told when he was made Truthless and will become a true Skybreaker ready to atone for his own actions by serving others as a Knight Radiant.

Shallan:

Shallan will become the face of the new Radiants in Urithiru despite her objections to Dalinar about it. This will force to spend more time disguised as Veil. She will also become the focus for people resentful of the Radiants to try and kill her. She will call on the Ghostbloods to help her win over the people and find who sent the assassins after Elhokar and her. She will become more friendly with their group but will feel conflicted loyalties. Also she will get the Ghostblood symbol tattooed onto her. She will learn about Helaran and the Skybreakers in parallel to Szeth. She will learn that Kaladin killed Helaran from Mraize but will not acknowledge it until Kaladin tells her himself.

Dalinar:

He will try to unite the nations against the Voidbringers and not each other but will have to work with Taravangian and rebuild some nations including the Purelake. Dalinar will begin to take a more political role as the head of the Radiants and as Adolin will be exiled in disgrace for killing Sadeas so Dalinar will pass the duties for house Kholin to Renarin.

Renarin:

Renarin will take up the responsibilities left by Adolin and become more active in his role he will begin to train with Zahel extensively and will become better with the sword having studied his brother so long. He will begin to understand his powers more by spending time with Shallan and learning from her and the archives of knowledge buried in Urithiru. He will become a POV character will be involved in the battle against the Stone Shamans sent to retrieve Szeth's Honorblade.

Interludes:

Lift will be more awesome and will have left the Bronze Palace to steal food from the palace in Jah Keved and then Kholinar. Dalinar will found out that she is a Radiant by talking with Gawx the new Prime.

Taravangian will follow the Diagrams blueprint for conquest and will begin to experience more errors in the Diagram which will begin to cause his faith in it to waver. More straying from the Diagram will occur where the Radiants are concerned but it will stray massively off scale in relation to events that Hoid has a hand in shaping.

Rysn will continue to see more of the world allowing her to be more open minded than before and will put a spirit of adventure into her and put her down the path of becoming a Willshaper. Also Axies will have been bought from the Reshi people by Vstim and he will be with Rysn until Vstim can sell Axies to someone. But Axies will explain the larkin to Rysn and tell a little about the Scourging of Aimia.

"Taln or the man who thinks he is Taln" will begin to be brought out of his shell by focusing on his role in training new soldiers for the Sons of Honor.

Lastly some wild speculation on my behalf.

The Order of Releaser are the destroyers of the Knights Radiant and they bond with Ashspren, cousins of Firespren because that is all the Releasers leave behind on the battlefield.

An unnamed Releaser will be mentioned in the background who will be the missing POV for the last half of the Stormlight Archive.

The one of the Godspren will be the Cognitive representation of Odium or Damnation.

Lastly there will be an order that bonds a Darkspren

Edited October 9, 2014 by Maverick

[maxal she/her]

First, welcome!

 

Lot's of stuff here... Let's see...

 

 

Adolin:
He will be found out by Sadeas' wife Ialai and Amaram. This will be brought before the other highprinces and they will demand justice in accordance with the laws. Due to the stress and widening gap between himself and the others Adolin will become more alone in his mind and will try to do what he feels best. A trial will take place with some remarks being made about how the Skybreakers would oversee these matters of law. When Adolin's trial is done a sentence of death or exile will be put forth. Dalinar will secretly exile him but leave him his Shardblade. Adolin will then take a journey to Kholinar to meet Kaladin there to have the Oathgate open.

 

If Adolin is exiled, it won't be in Kohlinar or anywhere in Alethkar... that sort of defies the concept of... exile... I for one strongly suspect Adolin will lose his shards in the next book. How, I am not sure, but I do think his character development will follow an arc where he will progressively lose everything he holds dear until all he has left is himself. Force for the first time to ponder on his place in the world and within his own family, Adolin will finally grow up into the man he is as opposed as the man Dalinar wants him to be.

 

 

Shallan:
Shallan will become the face of the new Radiants in Urithiru despite her objections to Dalinar about it. This will force to spend more time disguised as Veil. She will also become the focus for people resentful of the Radiants to try and kill her. She will call on the Ghostbloods to help her win over the people and find who sent the assassins after Elhokar and her. She will become more friendly with their group but will feel conflicted loyalties. Also she will get the Ghostblood symbol tattooed onto her. She will learn about Helaran and the Skybreakers in parallel to Szeth. She will learn that Kaladin killed Helaran from Mraize but will not acknowledge it until Kaladin tells her himself.

 

Shallan is a 17 years girl. I sincerely doubt she will managed to outranked Dalinar as the political face of the Radiants. I do agree she may end up getting too friendly with the Gostbloods up the point she may even become sympathetic to their cause...

 

 

Dalinar:
He will try to unite the nations against the Voidbringers and not each other but will have to work with Taravangian and rebuild some nations including the Purelake. Dalinar will begin to take a more political role as the head of the Radiants and as Adolin will be exiled in disgrace for killing Sadeas so Dalinar will pass the duties for house Kholin to Renarin.

 

Dalinar takes leadership very seriously. It took him years of controlled tutoring before he even considered letting Adolin take a more significant role in the management of house Kohlin. I doubt he will relent anything to Renarin, who is seriously unsuited for this task. I suspect the two of them will spend more time together. Following Adolin's demise, Dalinar may see fit to start training Renarin as well, but I doubt Renarin will respond well to this.

 

I think Dalinar's biggest challenge will be finding out how to keep his family and his kingdom united after learning what Adolin did. How harsh will he think he needs to be with his son? How far he is willing to go in the application of his code? How low Adolin will have to sink before Dalinar realizes he needs to let his son be his own man making his own mistakes?

 

If it comes down to it, losing Adolin will be a hard blow for the Kohlins. They depend on him in many, many ways and there are just nobody to take up his role.

 

 

Renarin:
Renarin will take up the responsibilities left by Adolin and become more active in his role he will begin to train with Zahel extensively and will become better with the sword having studied his brother so long. He will begin to understand his powers more by spending time with Shallan and learning from her and the archives of knowledge buried in Urithiru. He will become a POV character will be involved in the battle against the Stone Shamans sent to retrieve Szeth's Honorblade.

 

I think we have a different reading of Renarin. I do not see Renarin stepping up to fill Adolin's shoes. For one, Renarin is Adolin's number one fan and his greatest supporter. He will never, never, never want to take his place. As for training with Zahel, I think Renarin will realize he can contribute to society without being a soldier. I frankly do not see Renarin taking an active role in any battle nor do I see him ever being anything more then a passable fighter.

 

I think most of Renarin's arc will be tied to his brother. I do not think we will get many POV from him until much, much later in the story.

 

 

Lastly some wild speculation on my behalf.
The Order of Releaser are the destroyers of the Knights Radiant and they bond with Ashspren, cousins of Firespren because that is all the Releasers leave behind on the battlefield.
An unnamed Releaser will be mentioned in the background who will be the missing POV for the last half of the Stormlight Archive.

 

Interesting, but we have a WoB stating we have meet a member (or future member) for each order. There are no unknown Dustbringer to be met. Whoever fill that spot, we have already met. As for the missing POV, it is not missing anymore: Brandon has brought forward Shalash for the missing spot.

 

I for one do not believe the Releasers are the destroyers.... It is too easy to blame the ruthless order Words of Radiance claimed were feared... I think they were seriously misunderstood and certainly not evil.

 

However, I do think Brandon is up to something with this order as they do not have a scheduled flashback character. I like to believe it is because our Releaser's progression will happen real time as opposed to the past for the others.

[Walker]

While it will probably not going to happen in this book, the most useful thing Shallan could do is use Lightweaving to infiltrate Mr. Ts organization.  Once Szeth hits Urithiru, he will spill the beans on his old employer, and this infiltration will become a priority.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Walker

[maxal she/her]

While it will probably not going to happen in this book, the most useful thing Shallan could do is use Lightweaving to infiltrate Mr. Ts organization.  Once Szeth hits Urithiru, he will spill the beans on his old employer, and this infiltration will become a priority.

 

I am thinking perhaps Moash would fill this role in his redemption arc....

[Maverick]

I agree that there is something odd about the Releasers. They are perhaps one of the orders we know least about. What their powers will be and what is their general purpose within the Radiants. Personally I find them to be my favourite Order based on how little we can gleam from the quotes in Words of Radiance

[king of nowhere]

And Adolin will refuse to use it as he will claim he is unworthy. Most of his arc will deal with his feeling of unworthiness following the ascension of everyone he cares for to Radianhood while he is left behind suddenly becoming the black sheep of the family, the "problem" they'll have to deal with.

 

 

You are no more than the dueling champion of all the armies combined. what's wrong with you boy? you are a disgrace to our name!

[maxal she/her]

You are no more than the dueling champion of all the armies combined. what's wrong with you boy? you are a disgrace to our name!

 

Suddenly dueling champion and shardbearer sounds quite lame.... especially when the said champion turns into a murderer.... I cannot wait to read the Kohlin's family reunion where they all discuss what they should do with Adolin...

 

And I am also dreaming of a scene where Adolin loses it all and throws the Way of Kings book into the fire screaming/crying how this storming book destroyed their life....    :ph34r:

[Newan he/him]

Interesting, but we have a WoB stating we have meet a member (or future member) for each order. There are no unknown Dustbringer to be met. Whoever fill that spot, we have already met. As for the missing POV, it is not missing anymore: Brandon has brought forward Shalash for the missing spot.

 

Brandon said that Ash is a POV character in the back half of the series.  We know that Ash is Shalash's nickname.  

 

But what if somebody else had the same nickname?  

 

I don't expect this to happen, because I doubt Brandon would lead us astray like that.  But I do think that it would be awesome if it did.  What if Adolin becomes a Releaser and Ash is the name of his spren?  It would be a great name for a spren that gives you fire powers.  

[maxal she/her]

Brandon said that Ash is a POV character in the back half of the series.  We know that Ash is Shalash's nickname.  

 

But what if somebody else had the same nickname?  

 

I don't expect this to happen, because I doubt Brandon would lead us astray like that.  But I do think that it would be awesome if it did.  What if Adolin becomes a Releaser and Ash is the name of his spren?  It would be a great name for a spren that gives you fire powers.  

 

Oh neat one! I LOVE your idea and the name Ash for Adolin's potential spren I keep thinking Adolin's spren/blade should be called Fury , but Ash is nice too. I know.... I am making up potential spren's names... Lame :ph34r:

 

However, long before Brandon gave us Shalash's name he was already telling us two heralds would be getting flashbacks. One is Taln. Some of us assumed for a long time the other would be Chana, but turns out it is Shalash. I just don't get why and I am pissed we are not getting a Dustbringer's flashback  

[Newan he/him]

However, long before Brandon gave us Shalash's name he was already telling us two heralds would be getting flashbacks. One is Taln. Some of us assumed for a long time the other would be Chana, but turns out it is Shalash. I just don't get why and I am pissed we are not getting a Dustbringer's flashback

 

Dang it.  I really want a Dustbringer book.  And what about having one book for each order? Hmmm... hahaha ok funny idea:  What if Shalash somehow became de-herald-ized, then joined the Releasers?

[maxal she/her]

Dang it.  I really want a Dustbringer book.  And what about having one book for each order? Hmmm... hahaha ok funny idea:  What if Shalash somehow became de-herald-ized, then joined the Releasers?

 

Someone already called it, but I hate it I want Adolin to be our Releaser, not Shalash or anyone else for that matter He should be getting the last flashback :ph34r:

 

We are still supposed to get one book per order, but the Releaser's book will most likely not featured a Releaser for flashbacks.

[Newan he/him]

Seriously.  Who does Shalash think she is?

[maxal she/her]

Seriously.  Who does Shalash think she is?

 

Wild one... Shshshshshshshsh?????

[Fatebreaker he/him]

Now that practically everyone else has powers, Kaladin will mope about no longer being special. Syl will try to smack sense into him, but it will take a near-death experience for him to snap out of it.

 

The Lopen will rise as the Coolest Gancho Ever, make two armed herdazian jokes, and establish his own radiant order, The Ganchos.

 

Shallan will wrestle with which romantic interest to choose. Adolin is super attractive, but Kaladin has super powers. Who she marries will be irrelevant, because FeatherWriter will write sooooo many fanfictions of Shallarin that it will eventually become cannon. 

 

Rock will use his stormlight to become the Ubercook, cooking the greatest culinary masterpieces Roshar has ever known. Unfortunately, his food will still break your teeth, so no one will try it.

 

Szeth will be badchull. Extremely badchull. Nightblood will be hilarious and profound, and together with Szeth will redefine badchull.

 

The moment it is released the forums will explode with theories. Only 5% will be true, but that won't stop people from crashing the site. 

 

 

Can't wait for this book.

[Marmota he/him]

Someone already called it, but I hate it I want Adolin to be our Releaser, not Shalash or anyone else for that matter He should be getting the last flashback :ph34r:

 

We are still supposed to get one book per order, but the Releaser's book will most likely not featured a Releaser for flashbacks.

 

I also hate this possibility, but it may be partially true at least.

 

 

 

I mean, i think we could have the "one book for each order" statement as a fact. And that the flashback character of the order of a particular book doesnt belong to the same order just really seems wrong....i really dont think BS would do that.

 

He already stated tat the Heralds without the honorblades are just kind of regular people...so in theory it would be possible for Shalash to become a Dustbringer. Even 'cause the lightweaver book is already done, so he wouldnt just repeat a order. 

It really seemfs a lot messy, but we have to trust master BS to pull it off ( even 'cause it is probably not it, and actually something really mind blowing that no one thought so far...due lack of current information most likely)

There is gona be a book where the flashback character is a Dustbringer, im This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules* sure 

About Adolin, I also think that he will become a Dustbringer...but something tells me that he wont appear in the second half. Yes, i think that Adolin dies eventually! It always struck me as odd why Adolin wouldnt be getting his own book, and the Sadeas murder and his "dark path" to begin following gives me the idea that something bad is reserved for his future, at the fifth book, probably

Edited October 10, 2014 by Marmota

[AerionBFII he/him]

You didn't think Shallan was funny in Words of Radiance? I thought she was much better in WoR than she was in tWoK, and I think she will continue to get wittier as the books go on. 

 

Someone once asked what would happen if Shallan tried to go toe to toe bantering with Hoid.  He said that at this point, she would be torn to threads, but that that could change in the future as she gets more experience.

 

Edit: I found quotes! from http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/7267-words-of-brandon-compiled-x-2/

 

Q:  Who would win in an argument, Shallan or Lightsong?

A:  [laughs]Lightsong. More practice.  Maybe Shallan would eventually be able to hold her own but at this point he would win.

...

Q:  Do we get to see any good banter between Wit and Shallan?

A:  She is not quite ready yet to be on his level.  And if you watch in the series, her use of humor will mature.  In fact you should be able to notice the difference between these two [books] even.  By later books, she will be able to stand a little bit better.  Right now, he would rip her to shreds.

Hahaha honestly she was better in WOR than in WOK but sometimes she grates on my nerves. I do find her funny about 60% of the time.

[Patrick Star]

Elsecallerspren look exactly like Slenderman once 5 oaths are reached.

 

The facelessness reflects the mysterious forces that elsecalling entails.

 

The suit coincides with Ivory looking like a gentleman.

 

And Slenderman's ability to teleport coincides with the surge of transportation.

[maxal she/her]

I mean, i think we could have the "one book for each order" statement as a fact. And that the flashback character of the order of a particular book doesnt belong to the same order just really seems wrong....i really dont think BS would do that.

 

We don't know what Brandon would or would not do. He has never stated the flashback characters would always belong to the featured order. He even mentioned he may do the flashback of a dead character...

 

 

He already stated tat the Heralds without the honorblades are just kind of regular people...so in theory it would be possible for Shalash to become a Dustbringer. Even 'cause the lightweaver book is already done, so he wouldnt just repeat a order. 

 

They are not regular people.... For one, they are immortal, for second, they are tied to the Oathpact. Someone correct me if I forgot a WoB here, but we don't know if they can even bond a spren, let alone become a Radiant. However, Shalash becoming a Dustbringer is a possibility, even if an unlikely one.

 

 

There is gona be a book where the flashback character is a Dustbringer, im This post has been reported for attempting to skirt the rules* sure 

About Adolin, I also think that he will become a Dustbringer...but something tells me that he wont appear in the second half. Yes, i think that Adolin dies eventually! It always struck me as odd why Adolin wouldnt be getting his own book, and the Sadeas murder and his "dark path" to begin following gives me the idea that something bad is reserved for his future, at the fifth book, probably

 

We don't know. It could be there won't be a flashback character from this order... Sad as it may seem. My theory on the matter is that Adolin will indeed turn out to be our Dustbringer, but we will see his progression live, in the present time, as opposed to in the past for all of the others. I feel his story would be more poignant if we see him struggle without knowing the ending, without knowing if he'll make it or not. I think Adolin is the perfect opportunity to write the "journey to Radianhood", which would explain why he does not get a flashback and why his order is treated differently.

 

But I will admit a lot of this is wishful thinking

 

Adolin is not going down a dark path.... He is becoming the person he always was. He just didn't know it yet and still don't.