Radiants and spren - ideals to get shardblade

[Wardeneo he/him]

Reading row chapter 9 and another of kaladin windrunner squires speaks the 3rd ideal, thus bonding a spren and getting a shardblade.

 

how is it that some have to wait to speak the third ideal for this and others like kaladin/shallan have the shardblade/and bonded a spren on/before speaking the first ideal?

 

cheers 

Edited January 9, 2024 by Wardeneo

[alder24]

10 minutes ago, Wardeneo said:

Reading row chapter 9 and another of kaladin windrunner squires speaks the 3rd ideal, thus bonding a spren and getting a shardblade.

how is it that some have to wait to speak the third ideal for this and others like kaladin/shallan have the shardblade/and bonded a spren on/before speaking the first ideal?

cheers 

It isn't possible because Kaladin never had a Shardblade before speaking the 3rd Ideal. As for Shallan, keep reading RoW, you will have an answer for that.  

What was happening with Shallan, Kaladin, Renarin and others before OB, was that some spren felt that the Desolation is near and decided to transfer themselves into PR in hopes of finding and getting attracted to someone who's worthy of bonding. Syl was attracted to Kaladin that way, but that was all because Kaladin was a right person who wanted to protect others. Shardblades are granted generally to all orders after speaking the 3rd Ideal, but it depends on the order (WoB).

Now there is another way of bonding. Radiants can have squires. Squires are those close to the Radiant who are getting powers from their Radiant only - almost the entire Bridge Four was made into Kaladin's squires. None of them was bonded with any spren yet, none of them had a Shardblade, but they were getting their powers through Kaladin and Syl. They became squires not just by saying the 1st Ideal, but by living it, wanting to protect (for Windrunners) and believing in those words. Once a squire breathes in Stormlight, it means their 1st Ideal was accepted and they are on the path to become Radiants (you saw some in OB struggled with it). Other Honorspren who wanted to bond just gathered and watched Kaladin and his squires (you can see Honorspren arriving to watch the Bridge Four in OB ch 37), choosing those who were ready and bonding with them - like Teft. Unlike Syl, they didn't have to wander mindlessly around the Physical Realm of Roshar in search of a person to bond, they now stick together and choose from those who are proven to be worthy of bonding, because they've become squires. Squires swear up to the 2nd Ideal, they need to bond a spren to speak the 3rd Ideal and become a full Radiant. That's when they also get their blades. However no matter if you want to be a squire or you're doing it like Kaladin, you need to be ready, be worthy of bonding, be in line with Order's ideals - for Windrunners it's the will to protect. That's what attracts Honorspren.

The Windrunner who swore the 3rd Ideal was a squire, who attracted one of the Honorspren watching Windrunner's squires and bonded with her before the RoW even started. This Windrunner has already bonded with a spren, one chose her while she was a squire. Swearing the 3rd Ideal is difficult, she had to overcome her personal struggles and that also takes time. Because there is more squires than Honorspren (around 50), many squires will not bond their spren unless a Windrunner has fallen, thus they have to wait as squires, stuck at 2nd Ideal - with powers only when their close to their Knights, with no Shardblades however.

[Wardeneo he/him]

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

It isn't possible because Kaladin never had a Shardblade before speaking the 3rd Ideal. As for Shallan, keep reading RoW, you will have an answer for that.  

What was happening with Shallan, Kaladin, Renarin and others before OB, was that some spren felt that the Desolation is near and decided to transfer themselves into PR in hopes of finding and getting attracted to someone who's worthy of bonding. Syl was attracted to Kaladin that way, but that was all because Kaladin was a right person who wanted to protect others. Shardblades are granted generally to all orders after speaking the 3rd Ideal, but it depends on the order (WoB).

Now there is another way of bonding. Radiants can have squires. Squires are those close to the Radiant who are getting powers from their Radiant only - almost the entire Bridge Four was made into Kaladin's squires. None of them was bonded with any spren yet, none of them had a Shardblade, but they were getting their powers through Kaladin and Syl. They became squires not just by saying the 1st Ideal, but by living it, wanting to protect (for Windrunners) and believing in those words. Once a squire breathes in Stormlight, it means their 1st Ideal was accepted and they are on the path to become Radiants (you saw some in OB struggled with it). Other Honorspren who wanted to bond just gathered and watched Kaladin and his squires (you can see Honorspren arriving to watch the Bridge Four in OB ch 37), choosing those who were ready and bonding with them - like Teft. Unlike Syl, they didn't have to wander mindlessly around the Physical Realm of Roshar in search of a person to bond, they now stick together and choose from those who are proven to be worthy of bonding, because they've become squires. Squires swear up to the 2nd Ideal, they need to bond a spren to speak the 3rd Ideal and become a full Radiant. That's when they also get their blades. However no matter if you want to be a squire or you're doing it like Kaladin, you need to be ready, be worthy of bonding, be in line with Order's ideals - for Windrunners it's the will to protect. That's what attracts Honorspren.

The Windrunner who swore the 3rd Ideal was a squire, who attracted one of the Honorspren watching Windrunner's squires and bonded with her before the RoW even started. This Windrunner has already bonded with a spren, one chose her while she was a squire. Swearing the 3rd Ideal is difficult, she had to overcome her personal struggles and that also takes time. Because there is more squires than Honorspren (around 50), many squires will not bond their spren unless a Windrunner has fallen, thus they have to wait as squires, stuck at 2nd Ideal - with powers only when their close to their Knights, with no Shardblades however.

Thank you for the breakdown, I’ll keep reading to understand shallans situation 

 

thanks