Opal Lion Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 Wow this is a lot Not a fan of the push from Cham. It feels desperate. Will read up more when I get home from work in about 4 hours.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 44 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: And why? They’ve felt genuine to me in PMs. I am conscious of a possible misclear here as they had an odd reaction in PMs to the back and forth you and I had surrounding your claim earlier (in that their reaction felt a little too tinfoily to be real) but ultimately I’ve been comfortable with their approach so far and don’t really see what you are seeing in the posts you highlighted. Where is the negative logic in the post where they vote for you? — 52 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: 1. If there is an Elim between me and the seeker, then why haven't I outted them in thread? It's far more beneficial to me (for either alignment) if I did that. 2. If I am the Elim, why on earth would I put myself in thread for no reason? Shouldn't e!chameleon imply the seeker exists, because otherwise, I'm throwing away a valuable tool to the elims? And if e!chameleon means that the seeker exists, wouldn't I just NK the seeker N3? Or try and push the vote towards them? I seriously don't see a world in which e!chameleon claims in thread over a fake seeker, and I don't see a world in which e!chameleon claims anyways. 3. And why would the seeker need to die? I can only see one reason why, and that would entail an Elim seeker, but then and again, why would they claim seeker to me? It's much more beneficial to just NK the person, and keep scan results hidden in the Elim doc in the back. In other words, I don't think an Elim seeker would make that kind of play. 4. While we're on the topic of it, in which world does v!chameleon claim in thread? Again, beagle outlined the best course of action, which would be to a) contact someone about the seeker privately and b) play along, and their alignment will be revealed eventually? You tell me what conditions you think v!chameleon would threadclaim in. 1. I think a v!seeker would have naturally just told you who they targeted C1. After all, why shouldn’t they? You are confirmed village to them. The fact that they didn’t volunteer that information is a red flag. The fact that they claim a convenient C1 scan like Falcon is a red flag. Why haven’t you outted them to the thread? Well because it doesn’t make any sense to, from your point of view. It’s objectively the incorrect thing to do in this scenario. 2. If you’re an elim the seeker doesn’t exist because they couldn’t have scanned you as a village mistborn? Any seeker targeting e!you here would not out their results to you but would instead out via proxy. 3. Weren’t you yourself arguing a while ago that you suspected the seeker to be an elim claiming to you for village cred? Didn’t you cite a few games where this has happened? Am I delusional? 4. I don’t understand this point; are you arguing against v!Chameleon? Are you saying you’re an elim? — 21 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: No. But I am confident of Penguin being an Elim. I have additional evidence, if anyone cares. Additional evidence? — Let me make this clear: I am not voting Vulture today. The way they’re handling the shot on them I almost never expect to come from an elim. An elim wouldn’t want to antagonize whoever shot them in this way and Vulture’s perspective here, in my opinion, is hard to come to as an elim to begin with. Apologies for my posts looking like this. It’s hard on mobile.
Amethyst Scorpion Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 Okay back to Cham They were just so sure that Meerkat was “lock elim” going to the point of referring to that read as “outing them” and now they don’t even care anymore Definitely reeks of desperation. They’re voting randomly and seeing what sticks
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 7 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said: Okay back to Cham They were just so sure that Meerkat was “lock elim” going to the point of referring to that read as “outing them” and now they don’t even care anymore Definitely reeks of desperation. They’re voting randomly and seeing what sticks ... alright yall have convinced me. Penguin for the record though, im not voting anyone new yet. and for a second time, i ask that the seeker PM me.
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 2 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: They’ve felt genuine to me in PMs. I am conscious of a possible misclear here as they had an odd reaction in PMs to the back and forth you and I had surrounding your claim earlier (in that their reaction felt a little too tinfoily to be real) but ultimately I’ve been comfortable with their approach so far and don’t really see what you are seeing in the posts you highlighted. Where is the negative logic in the post where they vote for you? — 1. I think a v!seeker would have naturally just told you who they targeted C1. After all, why shouldn’t they? You are confirmed village to them. The fact that they didn’t volunteer that information is a red flag. The fact that they claim a convenient C1 scan like Falcon is a red flag. Why haven’t you outted them to the thread? Well because it doesn’t make any sense to, from your point of view. It’s objectively the incorrect thing to do in this scenario. 2. If you’re an elim the seeker doesn’t exist because they couldn’t have scanned you as a village mistborn? Any seeker targeting e!you here would not out their results to you but would instead out via proxy. 3. Weren’t you yourself arguing a while ago that you suspected the seeker to be an elim claiming to you for village cred? Didn’t you cite a few games where this has happened? Am I delusional? 4. I don’t understand this point; are you arguing against v!Chameleon? Are you saying you’re an elim? — Additional evidence? — Let me make this clear: I am not voting Vulture today. The way they’re handling the shot on them I almost never expect to come from an elim. An elim wouldn’t want to antagonize whoever shot them in this way and Vulture’s perspective here, in my opinion, is hard to come to as an elim to begin with. Apologies for my posts looking like this. It’s hard on mobile. No one will ever understand but yes this was indeed a reaction test that's what I'm trying to get you to realize anyways that's not important but it's going to be annoying if I have to be exe'd twice and it's a ml anyways 1. I'm a village thug 2. No, I did not get scanned by a seeker 3. Mouse's idea was a lot better and tbh we probably should've rolled with it 4. It was indeed a reaction test, but the objective was to try and get the elims to waste an NK on me 5. Scorp, Zebra, and Iguana all were informed of this idea beforehand 6. Beagle and lion are likely village based on the results, and penguin and ostrich are probably less village. 7. Let's be honest this is a disaster anyways but if anyone wants to vouch for the seeker (which doesn't exist) to disprove me go ahead. 8. An important line of thought is "why would an Elim make this reaction test" and the easiest answer is "cham is backpedaling" andy response to that is: What evidence do you have for the seeker's existence, and me being a mistborn? Again, if anyone wants to come forward and claim to be a proxy for a seeker who scanned me N2, go ahead, but otherwise you have no proof. Besides, if I'm e!Cham, why would I make this whole ordeal? Especially if I'm a thug, I'd rather sacrifice myself twice in order to stifle to village, and tbh the elims are already winning. Also, @Saffron Iguana, @Quartz Zebra or @Amethyst Scorpion can vouch for this (if they don't, and I flip village thug, you've found 3 elims!) I will admit, it wasn't the most well thought-out fake claim, but it worked, and I'll go recatoge
Saffron Iguana Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 39 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: No. But I am confident of Penguin being an Elim. I have additional evidence, if anyone cares. .... so you're saying you're e/e with penguin then?>???????? 37 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said: im willing to risk it here. for you, i say your village based on how much youve contributed. also, youve run me through my paces and then some, which i think is appropriate. you are willing to risk it? whats with the unvote then???? er also i was asking why was i not on your "no vote" list then, since im also in contention a bit xD also respond to my pm plz @Salmon Meerkat
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 Forgot, but additional evidence is that e!rioter could've tried to save penguin indirectly by tying up Hyena, they said in PM that they were worried of the coinshot, and wouldn't want to be coinsmitten, and their "analysis" is not actually analysis- both times they've posted it.
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 21 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said: If you try to retract this whole thing and call it a reaction test I think I will want to kill you again. Chameleon What’s the additional evidence you have against Penguin? What did you dislike about Ostrich’s reaction? 1 minute ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Forgot, but additional evidence is that e!rioter could've tried to save penguin indirectly by tying up Hyena, they said in PM that they were worried of the coinshot, and wouldn't want to be coinsmitten, and their "analysis" is not actually analysis- both times they've posted it. How do you know there’s an e!Rioter??
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 2 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Chameleon What’s the additional evidence you have against Penguin? What did you dislike about Ostrich’s reaction? How do you know there’s an e!Rioter?? Chameleon, only i get to say its a reaction test/j
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 2 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Forgot, but additional evidence is that e!rioter could've tried to save penguin indirectly by tying up Hyena, they said in PM that they were worried of the coinshot, and wouldn't want to be coinsmitten, and their "analysis" is not actually analysis- both times they've posted it. 1 minute ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Chameleon What’s the additional evidence you have against Penguin? What did you dislike about Ostrich’s reaction? How do you know there’s an e!Rioter?? It implies Elim rioter if Elim penguin, yeah? 1 minute ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Chameleon What’s the additional evidence you have against Penguin? What did you dislike about Ostrich’s reaction? Fuchsia Ostrich made a sort of indecisive reaction, not sure if I like that reaction. Although I am curious to know why you think that a reaction test is e!indicative. You haven't said why, exactly. 3 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said: Chameleon, only i get to say its a reaction test/j Tbh, mouse suggested I fake being green scanned, I wanted to claim mistborn in thread, one of the ideas was to say it came from a dubious source, so I combined all of them and now Aman's probably dying on the inside wherever he is.
Saffron Iguana Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 9 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Forgot, but additional evidence is that e!rioter could've tried to save penguin indirectly by tying up Hyena, they said in PM that they were worried of the coinshot, and wouldn't want to be coinsmitten, and their "analysis" is not actually analysis- both times they've posted it. eh???? 5 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: It implies Elim rioter if Elim penguin, yeah? Fuchsia Ostrich made a sort of indecisive reaction, not sure if I like that reaction. Although I am curious to know why you think that a reaction test is e!indicative. You haven't said why, exactly. Tbh, mouse suggested I fake being green scanned, I wanted to claim mistborn in thread, one of the ideas was to say it came from a dubious source, so I combined all of them and now Aman's probably dying on the inside wherever he is. im so tires youre so tiresing this was a mist-stake im dying on th e inside
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 I just really struggle to understand why a villager would derail the thread in this manner and my thought is you’re an elim who wanted to do this for village cred. As I understand it, Mouse wanted to pull some gambit initially but when proposed to you, you weren’t up for it (Mouse informed me of this bit in PMs) so I’m again confused as to why you’ve decided to pull this here when there was seemingly no reason for it. Iguana Zebra Scorpion: Why did you choose these three? And are you (assuming v!Cham) confident this group is all green? Was this a reaction test or was it you trying to bait the NK? You’ve said both things. That said: Chameleon Until @Saffron Iguana @Quartz Zebra and @Amethyst Scorpion share their views here in the thread.
Chartreuse Penguin Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 … I’m going to finish my breakfast and then get back to this in order.
Quartz Zebra Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 Can confirm Cham started the cycle PMing us saying yooo I want to do the gambit Mouse designed! Ostensibly to draw a NK! In retrospect, it could well have been performative since gambiting = villagey to most people and they needed the cred. They didn't have a strong vision for the outcomes they desired from the thread beyond maybe I'll get NKed, so it wasn't even a reaction test, technically. They then spent 24 hours convinced of e!Meerkat, which I can't repeat enough makes locking in on Penguin with no self doubt at all seem fake! Will also note that I've heard Vulture claimed Thug, and when I directly PMed Cham about it with the argument that two village thugs seems unlikely, they weren't having any of it! Which is NAI, keep distro talk out of it if you want, but would it not be tempting to go down that road! Unless you know Vulture will flip village and you're the elim in that pair! Cham only started the Meerkat push when Heron came under pressure, so that's the best way to test this without directly shooting Cham! Heron might be a high value target if they're this committed to saving them!
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 (edited) If my reaction was indecisive it was because Mouse told me about a potential fake green scan gambit. & to be extra clear, he also told me about a Thug claim he didn't fully trust. He didn't share the specifics of either but a man can put 2+2 together. I would love to know who shot Vulture in PMs if the relevant shooter is cool with it, because I don't know if I'll be able to mentally resolve Vulture and Cham's slots until I understand the reason why the former was nearly killed. While I'm not usually one to role exe or very good at distro analysis, two village Thugs seems a bit odd to me atm. Edited January 10, 2024 by Fuchsia Ostrich
Saffron Iguana Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 1 minute ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Off I go for a longer walk wow youre so oxblood beagle coded
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 Chameleon, why were you not up to perform the gambit when Mouse proposed it C1? I’m curious to know why you chose to do it now instead of earlier when you weren’t receiving pressure. To be clear, Mouse did tell me he proposed a gambit (did not tell me the details though) to you along with Falcon and that you hadn’t been particularly responsive to it. This had been one of Mouse’s concerns in regards to you.
Saffron Iguana Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 Spoiler 1 hour ago, Saffron Iguana said: ty, are you willing to put your life on the line to say that you/penguin is v/e? hm, why can't an elim be convicted like that? As of late, cham was in mouse's ??? tier iirc. What points did cham bring up that you think are good? and what about me? 1 hour ago, Pearl Chameleon said: No. But I am confident of Penguin being an Elim. I have additional evidence, if anyone cares. 50 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said: .... so you're saying you're e/e with penguin then?>???????? you are willing to risk it? whats with the unvote then???? er also i was asking why was i not on your "no vote" list then, since im also in contention a bit xD also respond to my pm plz @Salmon Meerkat hi i realized that this doesnt make sense- you realize i mean your like. life in game. ie if penguin flips v we chainsaw you immediately . not. an irl life. sorry im., great, at this. speaking to people. being social. interactions oif the social manner. gods.,
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 28 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said: Can confirm Cham started the cycle PMing us saying yooo I want to do the gambit Mouse designed! Ostensibly to draw a NK! In retrospect, it could well have been performative since gambiting = villagey to most people and they needed the cred. They didn't have a strong vision for the outcomes they desired from the thread beyond maybe I'll get NKed, so it wasn't even a reaction test, technically. They then spent 24 hours convinced of e!Meerkat, which I can't repeat enough makes locking in on Penguin with no self doubt at all seem fake! Will also note that I've heard Vulture claimed Thug, and when I directly PMed Cham about it with the argument that two village thugs seems unlikely, they weren't having any of it! Which is NAI, keep distro talk out of it if you want, but would it not be tempting to go down that road! Unless you know Vulture will flip village and you're the elim in that pair! Cham only started the Meerkat push when Heron came under pressure, so that's the best way to test this without directly shooting Cham! Heron might be a high value target if they're this committed to saving them! very well, ill start. Heron
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 2 minutes ago, Oxblood Beagle said: Chameleon, why were you not up to perform the gambit when Mouse proposed it C1? I’m curious to know why you chose to do it now instead of earlier when you weren’t receiving pressure. To be clear, Mouse did tell me he proposed a gambit (did not tell me the details though) to you along with Falcon and that you hadn’t been particularly responsive to it. This had been one of Mouse’s concerns in regards to you. He first told me about this idea N2, and I wanted to delay it until D3, because that would raise less questions. Also, I was semi responsive to the gambit (I wouldn't say I didn't like it), but Mouse's suggestion was sort of, you know, given to me when I was sleeping, so not much I can do. 33 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said: Can confirm Cham started the cycle PMing us saying yooo I want to do the gambit Mouse designed! Ostensibly to draw a NK! In retrospect, it could well have been performative since gambiting = villagey to most people and they needed the cred. They didn't have a strong vision for the outcomes they desired from the thread beyond maybe I'll get NKed, so it wasn't even a reaction test, technically. They then spent 24 hours convinced of e!Meerkat, which I can't repeat enough makes locking in on Penguin with no self doubt at all seem fake! Will also note that I've heard Vulture claimed Thug, and when I directly PMed Cham about it with the argument that two village thugs seems unlikely, they weren't having any of it! Which is NAI, keep distro talk out of it if you want, but would it not be tempting to go down that road! Unless you know Vulture will flip village and you're the elim in that pair! Cham only started the Meerkat push when Heron came under pressure, so that's the best way to test this without directly shooting Cham! Heron might be a high value target if they're this committed to saving them! I don't understand how my fate entwines with Heron's. Additionally, if I get killed because of someone else's role being the same as mine one more time, I will return from beyond the grave to haunt y'all 10 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said: Reveal hidden contents hi i realized that this doesnt make sense- you realize i mean your like. life in game. ie if penguin flips v we chainsaw you immediately . not. an irl life. sorry im., great, at this. speaking to people. being social. interactions oif the social manner. gods., Dude I'm a thug that's just a waste of time Like, how many people did mouse even tell Chameleon This entire thing is worthless. The. Entire. Storming. Thing. I'm done. I'm just done.
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 14 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said: Reveal hidden contents hi i realized that this doesnt make sense- you realize i mean your like. life in game. ie if penguin flips v we chainsaw you immediately . not. an irl life. sorry im., great, at this. speaking to people. being social. interactions oif the social manner. gods., ?
Saffron Iguana Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 1 minute ago, Salmon Meerkat said: ? i dont want anybody thinking i would come to their house at 5 pm with an axe LOL
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 Just now, Saffron Iguana said: i dont want anybody thinking i would come to their house at 5 pm with an axe LOL it just seemed very random.
Opal Lion Posted January 10, 2024 Posted January 10, 2024 See, with how strongly you're pushing this I would have expected it to be "the Seeker told me they scanned them E", But really it's just that...nothing? Kinda dissapointing
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