Anniversary Game 10/Anonymous Game 14: Tyrian Falls Apocalypse

[Mint Heron]

12 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

And therefore mouse was coinshot iyo?

Mouse was tineye...

[Opal Lion]

4 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

Per writeup, Mouse was Spiked killed, Vulture was Coinshot-kill-attempted. A WGG would mean E!Coinshot (or more likely, E!Mistborn - E!Coinshot wouldn’t hold fire for much imo).

Well that's my point

[Pearl Chameleon]

Told you the NK was going to be extra spicy

Y'all didn't take my warning>>

Salmon Meerkat

Start the cycle off strong ig

17 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

what does WWG mean...?

edit: wait wounded gazelle gambit nvm

It's in the SE lexicon btw

39 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

Because you failed at your job. 

I'm very compelled by the perspective slip from before that indicated e!you, re: PM paranoia! 

Village: Albatross, Beagle, Scorp, Swan, Lion, Ostrich, Flamingo, Iguana

Positive: Penguin, Meerkat

Null: Tuatara, Weasel, Crocodile, Dingo

Uhhh: Kangaroo, Elephant, Vulture 

Elim: Rhino, Heron, Chameleon

What makes you v!read Lion?

28 minutes ago, Mint Heron said:

I don't understand what you're saying here...

The fact that I suspected PM shenanigans is your reason for voting me? Or am I reading it wrong?

 

Also vulture could def be a WWG. Or is it WGG? I don't remember.

I believe Archer pulled off a WGG last LG98, (similar setting) so it certainly isn't off the table.

58 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

I'm a little worried about how confidently these control kills have been made! Ostrich said they'd protect Mouse, and others advocated for their protection! 

That screamed weakness, no? 

Maybe! But it's an uncommon kill profile to take that risk! 

But if you assume e!Lurcher, they expose themselves by taking the shot! Same with a mole in Mouse's inner circle! Ironically, it feels like they took a gamble rather than acted on insider information, likely knowing Mouse surviving an NK wouldn't change how they were treated, trust-wise! 

Night voting appears villagey, so I like you! But why Beagle over Heron, I might ask! 

You're right. I think it's more likely a mistborn, on either the protecting side or the attacking side.

E!mistborn might fit with the distro. Maybe I could see even two e!mistborns, hence the smokers. Depends on how dicey the GMs were feeling.

1 hour ago, Magenta Albatross said:

 

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Was working on this at the end of the turn but though I didn't get to analyse it, I need to post it before the forum eats it.

Okay, so starting from Mouse's tally here, and updating for the game state an hour prior to the end of cycle, with Hyena and Meerkat tied with 5 votes. 

42 min: Zebra votes Iguana (Hyena 5, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2)
41 min: Meerkat votes Hyena (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2)
36 min: Albatross votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Scorp 2, Iguana 2)
34 min: Heron votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 5, Iguana 3, Scorp 1)
18 min: Chameleon votes Iguana (Hyena 6, Meerkat 4, Iguana 4, Scorp 1)

Then the other trains fall away.

13 min: Zebra votes Kangaroo (Hyena 6, Meerkat 4, Iguana 4)
9 min: Beagle votes Chameleon (Hyena 6, Meerkat 3, Iguana 4, Chameleon 2)
5 min: Beagle votes Hyena (Hyena 7, Meerkat 3, Iguana 4, Chameleon 1)
3 min: Chameleon votes Hyena (Hyena 8, Meerkat 3, Iguana 3, Chameleon 1)
2 min: Zebra votes Hyena (Hyena 9, Meerkat 3, Iguana 2, Chameleon 1)
1 min: Ostrich votes Hyena (Hyena 10, Meerkat 2, Iguana 2, Chameleon 1)
1 min: Beagle votes Chameleon (Hyena 9, Meerkat 2, Iguana 2, Chameleon 2)
1 min: Albatross votes Meerkat (Hyena 9, Meerkat 3, Iguana 1, Chameleon 2)

 

I am able to provide a list of those who were on for D2 EoD if that helps your vote analysis.

[Amethyst Scorpion]

Heron

Swan night voting isn’t villagery. All it indicates is that they’re not paying attention. Beagle is literally the last person I would kill right now.

I don’t like Heron trying to make the kills ambiguous. Plus other things.

[Quartz Zebra]

19 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:

Heron

Swan night voting isn’t villagery. All it indicates is that they’re not paying attention. Beagle is literally the last person I would kill right now.

I don’t like Heron trying to make the kills ambiguous. Plus other things.

Elim doc NK discussions are a good reminder of what time it is! 

Bedtime, for you. 

24 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

What makes you v!read Lion?

I believe Archer pulled off a WGG last LG98, (similar setting) so it certainly isn't off the table.

You're right. I think it's more likely a mistborn, on either the protecting side or the attacking side.

E!mistborn might fit with the distro. Maybe I could see even two e!mistborns, hence the smokers. Depends on how dicey the GMs were feeling.

Lion's reaction to Mouse's reaction to their D1 vote is a villagey look! I'm glad we got the Mouse flip because I was sitting on a paranoid theory about that whole thing centered around comparisons to AN11 Hyena, but I don't think it's worth getting into unless we hit a dead end! 

A WGG is more viable when e!Mistborn rands Lurcher they didn't need, but the opportunity cost of the wasted kill (also from an e!Mistborn in this scenario) isn't worth the upside of the trust it develops! Postulating that a Mouse kill would always be read as evil, they'd be relying on us assuming the second kill is also evil, which is a stretch in this environment! 

The question for Vulture is how did you survive! If via protection, why self protect rather than save someone more trusted! @Amber Vulture

[Mint Heron]

35 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:

Heron

Swan night voting isn’t villagery. All it indicates is that they’re not paying attention. Beagle is literally the last person I would kill right now.

I don’t like Heron trying to make the kills ambiguous. Plus other things.

How does noting the possiblity of a WGG (which is not out of the ordinary to state) me trying to make the kills ambiguous? 

Do you mind sharing these other things? Do they exist?

[Amethyst Scorpion]

4 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

Elim doc NK discussions are a good reminder of what time it is! 

Again, all it indicates to me is that Swan isn’t paying attention :P. I don’t really think that e!them is in the elim doc all that much if they’re not in the thread enough to even know what the turn is.

[Saffron Iguana]

Mint Heron 

trying something for science here. I really just can’t gel with them at the moment. Call it what you want but I’d like to try getting somewhere productive today. So let’s chat.

[Amethyst Scorpion]

Just now, Mint Heron said:

How does noting the possiblity of a WGG (which is not out of the ordinary to state) me trying to make the kills ambiguous? 

Do you mind sharing these other things? Do they exist?

Because it’s pretty clear that Mouse was the elim kill, making vulture something else, which is potentially useful information. You bringing up outside edge cases is e!indicative to me because it’s muddling that possibility.

Yeah, later. When I have the time. They exist, I’m not a liar :P. Not this game at least.

But I’m getting my wisdom teeth out tomorrow so we’ll see if it’s before rollovet >> ideally so. But essentially it’s the kinds of reads lists you’ve posted (one being obviously against the grain whilst that was popular, another appeasing thread consensus) along with what are (imo) some bad takes. I’ll specify when I can.

[Mint Heron]

39 minutes ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:

Because it’s pretty clear that Mouse was the elim kill, making vulture something else, which is potentially useful information. You bringing up outside edge cases is e!indicative to me because it’s muddling that possibility.

Yeah, later. When I have the time. They exist, I’m not a liar :P. Not this game at least.

But I’m getting my wisdom teeth out tomorrow so we’ll see if it’s before rollovet >> ideally so. But essentially it’s the kinds of reads lists you’ve posted (one being obviously against the grain whilst that was popular, another appeasing thread consensus) along with what are (imo) some bad takes. I’ll specify when I can.

I fail to see how I am muddling the possibility of mouse kill being elim kill, or even how that's e!indicative. Even with mouse being the elim kill that doesn't mean the elims couldn't have attempted to kill vulture as well with a mistborn roll. Ofc it could have just been a village mistborn shooting at a thug/lurched vulture, but I believe not looking at all the options is actually what would be worse for the village. 

All good wisdom teeth removal is no fun. Though I will note now that the reason I had two types of reads is because something in real life came up (which I did say in one of my previous posts) which meant I didn't have the time to continue in that format.

Disagreeing with my reads is a much better reason to vote me imo than the other reasons you've listed.

[Amethyst Scorpion]

I agree that looking at all possibilities is a good thing. I disagree that it’s possible that Mouse was anything but the elim kill. That’s what I don’t like from you. You’re taking something that’s straightforward and unnecessarily convoluting it.

That’s not what I meant. Interesting to me that you took it that way.

That’s funny, I think it’s my worse reason  

[Saffron Iguana]

hi im doing poe processing. just Itt so ppl dont say hey what are you doing

Spoiler

Amber Vulture

Amethyst Scorpion

Chartreuse Penguin

Coral Swan

Cream Tuatara

Fuchsia Ostrich

Indigo Weasel

Magenta Albatross

Mauve Crocodile

Melon Dingo

Mint Heron

Onyx Flamingo

Opal Lion

Oxblood Beagle

Pearl Chameleon

Plum Rhinoceros

Quartz Zebra

Saffron Iguana

Sage Kangaroo

Salmon Meerkat

Sapphire Elephant

aorn im going to assume all inactives flip green just for contingencies sake- but initial runthrough leaves me with this;

->

which ill further cut down a bit
 

Spoiler

Amber Vulture

Amethyst Scorpion

Cream Tuatara

Fuchsia Ostrich

Magenta Albatross

Mauve Crocodile

Mint Heron

Onyx Flamingo

Opal Lion

Pearl Chameleon

Quartz Zebra

Sage Kangaroo

Salmon Meerkat

Sapphire Elephant

to here...

->

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Amber Vulture

Cream Tuatara

Fuchsia Ostrich

Mauve Crocodile

Mint Heron

Onyx Flamingo

Pearl Chameleon

Quartz Zebra

Sage Kangaroo

Salmon Meerkat

Sapphire Elephant

and then among these , @Mauve Crocodile hits the very pinnacle of nothing said that is villagery. I don't know what to think of everybody else, i think id feel most comfortable taking names like Ostritch/Elephant/Flamingo/Vulture out of it right now; giving ->

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Cream Tuatara

Mauve Crocodile

Mint Heron

Pearl Chameleon

Quartz Zebra

Sage Kangaroo

Salmon Meerkat

above ^^ which if im GOATED has all of the mafia team, but more likely has 2-3. i actually wanna shift over to Mauve Crocodile for the moment until they pop up,

but if anybody can give me any reason to TR anybody in that bottom tier- come at me. i want to hear it. maybe even if you dont believe in it, just tell me what i can find villagery about them

 

[Oxblood Beagle]

Heron, the only world in which elims attempt to perform a WGG via a mistborn/coinshot kill is one where they were unaware of the write-ups differentiating the elim NK from the other kills (I find this to be rather unlikely). Otherwise it’s optimal to use the NK for the WGG and the other kill on Mouse, if you’re speculating both kills having come from elims. 

I was quite obvious about having Hyena in my suspect pool, especially in PMs. In fact, if you read the EoD you’ll see that I tried to consolidate the exe on Hyena as well in order to move the exe away from iguana and meerkat (who I thought posted something in the moment that implied they had a strong role) then backed away when those trains were more or less gone by virtue of Hyena’s train gaining double the strength. So I ended on Chameleon who had been my primary suspect for the past two turns. Not that it would have affected the outcome of the day, which I did not have a problem with. 

And speaking of Chameleon:

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I felt like I wasn't giving iguana a chance, and that I was being unfair by keeping them as an Elim read even though they hadn't necessarily done anything strictly wrong. So

That’s fair, but what caused your read to change during the rollover? You had them as village in your readslist after rollover. 

I’m concerned about Cream Tautara disappearing right after I defended them. The timing is a little too convenient and they’ve been unresponsive to PMs too.

I still want to stick by my initial village read on Vulture… Nothing has really occurred to change that and their posts today should be telling either way, now that they are under the spotlight. 

[Salmon Meerkat]

9 hours ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

Told you the NK was going to be extra spicy

Y'all didn't take my warning>>

Salmon Meerkat

Start the cycle off strong ig

It's in the SE lexicon btw

What makes you v!read Lion?

I believe Archer pulled off a WGG last LG98, (similar setting) so it certainly isn't off the table.

You're right. I think it's more likely a mistborn, on either the protecting side or the attacking side.

E!mistborn might fit with the distro. Maybe I could see even two e!mistborns, hence the smokers. Depends on how dicey the GMs were feeling.

I am able to provide a list of those who were on for D2 EoD if that helps your vote analysis.

this stinks of something. maybe just the fact youve been so active on me? besides, Mouse was trying to defend me. Pearl Chameleon.

they heard me out, at least.

[Mint Heron]

8 hours ago, Amethyst Scorpion said:

I agree that looking at all possibilities is a good thing. I disagree that it’s possible that Mouse was anything but the elim kill. That’s what I don’t like from you. You’re taking something that’s straightforward and unnecessarily convoluting it.

That’s not what I meant. Interesting to me that you took it that way.

That’s funny, I think it’s my worse reason  

I never said mouse isn't the elim kill my goodness. I'm not saying I believe it was a WGG. I feel like the fact that I brought up the possibility that an elim mistborn did a WGG should not be receiving anywhere near as much backlash. That has nothing to do with the fact that Mouse was the elim kill if the WGG was done through other means. 

Of course it's likely that it wasn't a WGG, but I really don't like that your are so adamantly against even the possibility of it.

Misunderstanding of what you meant I guess.

So your strongest reason for voting me is because of the WGG stuff? That feels really off. Like really that's the most suspicious thing you can find from anyone during the entire game? Like I don't mind people voting me, it's part of the game. But what is sightly annoying is when the reasoning would not normally be used to vote on someone. 

Like I'm very confused why you thought I was trying to muddle the possibilities of who the elim kill was. 

Vote me if you wish, but I implore you to look deeper and if you're going to vote me have a better reason and frankly something that is actually alignment indicative. 

[Oxblood Beagle]

Mouse’s judgement off PMing with Meerkat was that they seemed genuine and he was leaning slight v by the end there I think. Does e!Meerkat NK Mouse right when he was getting around to actually solidly village reading them?

Wouldn’t prefer a Meerkat execution today probably. 

[Salmon Meerkat]

Just now, Oxblood Beagle said:

Mouse’s judgement off PMing with Meerkat was that they seemed genuine and he was leaning slight v by the end there I think. Does e!Meerkat NK Mouse right when he was getting around to actually solidly village reading them?

Wouldn’t prefer a Meerkat execution today probably. 

... Mouse whoever you happen to be *wink wink* thank you. 

yes, please. no exing me today if it can be avoided.

[Amethyst Scorpion]

1 hour ago, Mint Heron said:

I never said mouse isn't the elim kill my goodness. I'm not saying I believe it was a WGG. I feel like the fact that I brought up the possibility that an elim mistborn did a WGG should not be receiving anywhere near as much backlash. That has nothing to do with the fact that Mouse was the elim kill if the WGG was done through other means. 

Of course it's likely that it wasn't a WGG, but I really don't like that your are so adamantly against even the possibility of it.

Misunderstanding of what you meant I guess.

So your strongest reason for voting me is because of the WGG stuff? That feels really off. Like really that's the most suspicious thing you can find from anyone during the entire game? Like I don't mind people voting me, it's part of the game. But what is sightly annoying is when the reasoning would not normally be used to vote on someone. 

Like I'm very confused why you thought I was trying to muddle the possibilities of who the elim kill was. 

Vote me if you wish, but I implore you to look deeper and if you're going to vote me have a better reason and frankly something that is actually alignment indicative. 

You’re mischaracterizing my post, intentionally or no.

I will say I thought you meant that it was a WGG with the elim kill. Did you say e MB in your original post? Probably. But still, I’m not someone who likes to consider possibilities that might have happened just for the heck of it. Or, rather, I love to do that as elim— it’s my number one tactic. Which is why this pinged me.

I never said it was the strongest. I said that me not liking your reads might be my weakest. Because I think reads by themselves are subjective and if I disagree with your reads that doesn’t make you evil.

I’ll explain more regarding what I meant about the actual reads lists themselves later.

Edit: Yeah, you didn’t mention you meant MB. So you can see why I interpreted that the way I did.

[Quartz Zebra]

It has come to my attention that Vulture was attacked by a Mistborn, which dampens my e!them theory! Them biding their time to prepare a statement remains a bad look though! 

So you're just going to delete the post you were working on? 

Yup! This post of theirs is still worth looking at though, if you have V!Meerkat, e!Heron feelings, beyond the gimmie reads, it's the pinnacle of their dodgy reads and votes so far this game, in my opinion! 

As for Heron, I'll take Cham up on their offer of a round up of who was on at EOD D2! In a v-v wagons world, the elims being disengaged for most of the round then suddenly present at EOD when stuff started getting crazy is predictable! 

[Salmon Meerkat]

1 hour ago, Oxblood Beagle said:

Mouse’s judgement off PMing with Meerkat was that they seemed genuine and he was leaning slight v by the end there I think. Does e!Meerkat NK Mouse right when he was getting around to actually solidly village reading them?

Wouldn’t prefer a Meerkat execution today probably. 

to add to this, was there anyone that was reluctant to join the V!Mouse world? 

In an E!Me part, i wouldnt have killed him. he was too valuable an asset for me. i wouldve staved off a kill there and pretended like i lurched for them somehow.

EDIT: Hey, look at me, im using the SE lingo.

[Amber Vulture]

12 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

It has come to my attention that Vulture was attacked by a Mistborn, which dampens my e!them theory! Them biding their time to prepare a statement remains a bad look though! 

[OOC: Today is my first day back to school from winter break, so I won't be able to say much until this evening]

[Opal Lion]

2 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said:

Mouse’s judgement off PMing with Meerkat was that they seemed genuine and he was leaning slight v by the end there I think. Does e!Meerkat NK Mouse right when he was getting around to actually solidly village reading them?

Wouldn’t prefer a Meerkat execution today probably. 

While I think Meerkat is a villager, this reasoning doesn't track.

Based ok everyone you see who you suspect, do you really think Meerkat would be the one choosing the kills in the doc? And for something so specific?

Edit: before theres confusion, I understand the point of this post was that that's not what happened. But to bring it up as if it is an option implies that you think it's a big enough point in Meerkat favor that mouse was killed, when in reality mouses read on a single player without more info isn't enough to say that they are village

Edited January 9, 2024 by Opal Lion

[Pearl Chameleon]

1 hour ago, Quartz Zebra said:

As for Heron, I'll take Cham up on their offer of a round up of who was on at EOD D2!

Here's the lists: (GM names are in blue)

Spoiler

Rollover:

Pearl Chameleon, Salmon Meerkat, Quartz Zebra, Sage Kangaroo, Saffron Iguana, Fuchsia Ostrich, Magenta Albatross, Amethyst Scorpion, Devotary of Spontaneity, Chartreuse Penguin, Amber Vulture, Mint Heron, Azure Mouse, Opal Lion

 

2 minutes to rollover:

Pearl Chameleon, Salmon Meerkat, Amber Vulture, Saffron Iguana, Sage Kangaroo, Mint Heron, Amethyst Scorpion, Quartz Zebra, Elandera, Chartreuse Penguin, Opal Lion

 

5 minutes to rollover:

Pearl Chameleon, Fuchsia Ostrich, Magenta Albatross, Saffron Iguana, Chartreuse Penguin, Mint Heron, Quartz Zebra, Sage Kangaroo, Opal Lion, Amber Vulture

 

9 minutes to rollover:

Amber Vulture, Quartz Zebra, Saffron Iguana, Oxblood Beagle, Sage Kangaroo, Mint Heron, Fuchsia Ostrich, Chartreuse Penguin, Pearl Chameleon, Amethyst Scorpion

 

14 minutes to rollover:

Pearl Chameleon, Quartz Zebra, Opal Lion, Saffron Iguana, Amber Vulture, Amethyst Scorpion

 

19 minutes to rollover:

Pearl Chameleon, Mat, Mint Heron, Saffron Iguana, Opal Lion, Chartreuse Penguin, Devotary of Spontaneity, Salmon Meerkat

 

6 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said:

That’s fair, but what caused your read to change during the rollover? You had them as village in your readslist after rollover. 

I’m concerned about Cream Tautara disappearing right after I defended them. The timing is a little too convenient and they’ve been unresponsive to PMs too.

I still want to stick by my initial village read on Vulture… Nothing has really occurred to change that and their posts today should be telling either way, now that they are under the spotlight. 

I think I unvoted Iguana right before rollover because I wanted my vote on, and didn't want to risk losing it to explaining my reasoning in thread (I think I said there wasn't enough time to explain why with my hyena revote post). What prompted this change? Reading the SE lexicon, of all things >>

3 hours ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

this stinks of something. maybe just the fact youve been so active on me? besides, Mouse was trying to defend me. Pearl Chameleon.

they heard me out, at least.

In my PM, azure mouse said that signs were pointing to e!Meerkat, just FWIW

1 hour ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

2 hours ago, Oxblood Beagle said:

 

to add to this, was there anyone that was reluctant to join the V!Mouse world? 

In an E!Me part, i wouldnt have killed him. he was too valuable an asset for me. i wouldve staved off a kill there and pretended like i lurched for them somehow.

EDIT: Hey, look at me, im using the SE lingo.

I feel like you would've killed him with the very intention of this in mind. If an elim kills a player to make it seem like not them, expect the Elim to try to lean into it not being them. 

This isn't making you look better.

[Salmon Meerkat]

2 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

In my PM, azure mouse said that signs were pointing to e!Meerkat, just FWIW

when was this?

[Pearl Chameleon]

2 hours ago, Mint Heron said:

I never said mouse isn't the elim kill my goodness. I'm not saying I believe it was a WGG. I feel like the fact that I brought up the possibility that an elim mistborn did a WGG should not be receiving anywhere near as much backlash. That has nothing to do with the fact that Mouse was the elim kill if the WGG was done through other means. 

Of course it's likely that it wasn't a WGG, but I really don't like that your are so adamantly against even the possibility of it.

Misunderstanding of what you meant I guess.

So your strongest reason for voting me is because of the WGG stuff? That feels really off. Like really that's the most suspicious thing you can find from anyone during the entire game? Like I don't mind people voting me, it's part of the game. But what is sightly annoying is when the reasoning would not normally be used to vote on someone. 

Like I'm very confused why you thought I was trying to muddle the possibilities of who the elim kill was. 

Vote me if you wish, but I implore you to look deeper and if you're going to vote me have a better reason and frankly something that is actually alignment indicative. 

I somewhat agree with mint Heron here in an underlying point: people are getting distracted by Heron suspicions that seem to be coming from who knows where? I'd say that it's trying to divert the exe from Salmon Meerkat, who I'm confident is elim.

1 minute ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

when was this?

Probably about 12 hours to night rollover