Chartreuse Penguin Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 'God save thee, ancient Mariner! From the fiends, that plague thee thus!— Why look'st thou so?'—With my cross-bow I shot the Albatross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said: I kind of initially assumed that tineyes would be priority targets for elim kills This is interesting. Elims generally tend to want to keep PMs around because it’s easier to manipulate people at close range and a lot of info/role phishing takes place inside PM networks. I say it’s interesting because the Tineye NK points to a world where elims weren’t involved in any significant PM groups/networks and wanted to cut off village-centric communication. Obviously then there is the question of who knew Flamingo to be a Tineye. Flamingo had claimed to some that are known but he might have claimed to more that are not, and of course there is the e!Seeker who was provably online during at least N1. Flamingo is an odd kill by virtue of them not being too involved in the thread discussions even if they were decently village-read, so these are fair speculations to make but they don’t really get us anywhere. I’m a regular vanilla as well for what it’s worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) I had not known Flamingo's role and sorry Zebra but I still don't trust you BUT WHY, AMAN, SOME MIGHT ASK - Tyrian Falls has dealt with an e!CS before - Bad voting record - WGGs are a thing and they probably wouldn't have double tapped Vulture if not for Scorp - Bad PoE (seriously the shoot orders they've posted look very rand!e, from my PoV) - Demanding village consensus on Heron when I was doing everything I could to get us to finish Vulture off (inconsistent with wanting Vulture dead) - Gave an excuse for why they won't be killed going forward in spite of being a very powerful role ("elims need Zebra alive to shoot villagers") - Vibes - Apparently knew Flam was a Tineye and is trying to pin their death on me for only Leras knows why (e!me shoots Lion last night, full stop) - "Accidently" Spiked - Always anticipate the monkey wrench None of this is to say this line of thought is my first world view, or second, or probably even third, but I'm not foolish enough to write Zebra off too quickly, especially when they repeatedly keep shading me. As always, I feel I'm obviously village, but do recognize other people don't see my alignment as clearly as I do Edited January 13 by Fuchsia Ostrich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Any VCers in chat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Oh come on that’s just unnecessary FUD, stop that . An e!CS makes absolutely zero sense in this distro unless a bunch of us are lying about our roles and are actually thugs/lurchers (). Edit: It also objectively would have been the better move to consensually assume Zebra is v so that them potentially continually dodging NKs would have been more telling, whereas casting doubt this way invites elims to play the IKYK game and e!Zebra can later argue that they didn’t get NKd because they are a viable ML judging by thread opinion. Edit: If an e!Coinshot was going to shoot a teammate, one of the inactive members would have been a million times better given they were dying anyway. That’s free cred and they wouldn’t have had to waste two shots to get it. Edit: I don’t have a VC but I assume Albatross is leading. If Alb flips green I recommend Kangaroo for the coinshot target. If they flip red then I don’t really care who gets shot, any shot is probably good. Don’t shoot penguin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartz Zebra Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: - "Accidently" Spiked I prefer to say I have intRuinsive thoughts! Side effects may include the desire to spill blood at night. I'd also shoot a villager N1 as an e!CS! It's objectively better for the elims to keep the CS alive, if you map out the death progression! It shaves an entire cycle off the game, which I imagine they need! The cost is you're allowing a villagey villager to make it that far, reducing the POE pool you have to get mixes from! Edit: And just kill one more elim and I'll be screwed by action economy since I assume I can't submit two kills at once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) I personally don’t see that as FUD, or at the very least no more than Zebra is doing to my slot, but to each their own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’m not advocating we vote them any time soon, and if v!Zebra, we’re more likely going to win before we need to consider it. But I personally don’t agree that an e!Coinshot is impossible until we have flips rather than claims. And imo arguments like “an e!Coinshot should have done this instead” don’t really work on me, since all elims have the goal of appearing as Village as possible, the most optimal play is always the one that nets the most V cred / lures the village into complacency. Had Zebra shot someone that was going to get filtered, imo, that would be suspect as all heck. IIRC one of the arguments that was used to get Heron killed was the fact they brought up a WGG in the first place, and as we all now know, Vulture was an e!Thug. I am also pretty sure the last e!Coinshot (two Beagles ago? Three?) did not use their kill until C2 for the reason Zebra is using (Hello Elan!) Edited January 13 by Fuchsia Ostrich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxblood Beagle Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 42 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said: Edit: And just kill one more elim and I'll be screwed by action economy since I assume I can't submit two kills at once! So you know there are 2 left, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 12 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said: 15 hours ago, Salmon Meerkat said: they felt a need to mention that it was for rp purposes. she could have used subtler wording like "gotten them killed" but she said "killed them." ah. i mean why bring this up now tho? Because it had only just occurred to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: I personally don’t see that as FUD, or at the very least no more than Zebra is doing to my slot, but to each their own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’m not advocating we vote them any time soon, and if v!Zebra, we’re more likely going to win before we need to consider it. But I personally don’t agree that an e!Coinshot is impossible until we have flips rather than claims. And imo arguments like “an e!Coinshot should have done this instead” don’t really work on me, since all elims have the goal of appearing as Village as possible, the most optimal play is always the one that nets the most V cred / lures the village into complacency. Had Zebra shot someone that was going to get filtered, imo, that would be suspect as all heck. IIRC one of the arguments that was used to get Heron killed was the fact they brought up a WGG in the first place, and as we all now know, Vulture was an e!Thug. I am also pretty sure the last e!Coinshot (two Beagles ago? Three?) did not use their kill until C2 for the reason Zebra is using (Hello Elan!) I'm going to challenge you to come up with a fair distro that uses an e!CS and a e!seeker and the flips we've already been given Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Iguana Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Why does this feel like DADV. Bleh. At least when penguin was up in the air there was a lot more contention but everybody feels complacent on albatross. It could be the plan or something but I don’t get it. @Magenta Albatross come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) Spoiler Amber Vulture Sasha de Vries, Detective Spiked Thug Amethyst Scorpion Barney Detective Claimed Vanilla Azure Mouse Maihler, Meme Artist Village Tineye Charcoal Hyena Hobbyist Village Smoker Chartreuse Penguin Murph, Carpenter/Armorer Claimed Smoker Coral Swan Ananame, Noble Thief Claimed Smoker Cream Tuatara Spiked Rioter Emerald Falcon Tune, Graffiti Artist Village Vanilla Fuchsia Ostrich Endsayer, Endsayer Claimed Vanilla Indigo Weasel Quagmire, 3 "Weasels" in a Trenchcoat Village Smoker Ivory Dragonfly Bartleby, Witch Doctor Village Mistborn Magenta Albatross Grandiose Verbosity Mauve Crocodile Melon Dingo Barrrrrrrg, Obligator Spiked Seeker Mint Heron Stray Dog Village Vanilla Onyx Flamingo M, Orator + Researcher Village Tineye Opal Lion Claimed Soother Oxblood Beagle Claimed Vanilla Pearl Chameleon Samwise, Obligator Claimed Thug Plum Rhinoceros Nalthian Village Soother Quartz Zebra Zee, Accidentally Spiked Claimed Coinshot Saffron Iguana Sage Kangaroo Leo, Amnesiac Claimed Vanilla Salmon Meerkat Sal, Loyalist Claimed Vanilla Sapphire Elephant Forgetful Spoiler Spiked: 1x Rioter, 1x Seeker, 1x Thug Village: 2x Tineye, 1x Coinshot, 1x Mistborn, 2x Soother, 4x Smoker, 6x vanilla, 4x unclaimed If anyone has a role-claim I missed @ me please EDIT: Looking at the roles, some things stand out to me: 1. There is likely to be 6 spiked, with one or two weaker roles (vanilla, smoker, Tineye) 2. 0 lurchers on both sides and very few extra life roles. E!lurcher doesn't make too much sense, but I suspect there might be a v!lurcher hiding in the bunch. Additionally, the distro suggests v!Coinshot, because there would definitely be village lurchers and more thugs if the elims had both a seeker and a Coinshot 3. There is a good chance an Elim power role (vote manip, maybe smoker???, thug [if 5e team]) hiding in the vanilla or smoker claims. 4. If the village has 2 vote manip and one mistborn, chances are that the elims will not have more than 1 smoker. Edited January 13 by Pearl Chameleon Added "vanilla" as the roles of flipped villagers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage Kangaroo Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Funny that Beagle is arguing against e!CS as Beagle account was the last e!CS. 2 hours ago, Quartz Zebra said: I'd also shoot a villager N1 as an e!CS! Why didn't you shoot someone during N1? Sorry if you've already mentioned it, I can't seem to recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Penguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmon Meerkat Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: Penguin yay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 30 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said: I'm going to challenge you to come up with a fair distro that uses an e!CS and a e!seeker and the flips we've already been given Challenge unaccepted. I'm a vibes guy, not a distro guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said: Challenge unaccepted. I'm a vibes guy, not a distro guy I mean you have to admit that having: Elim rioter Elim seeker Elim thug Elim Coinshot Elim ??? Is rather insane against the power of the village: 2 soothers 1 thug 1 mistborn 4 smokers I mean, does the village even stand a chance mechanically? Why isn't there a kill n1? Why is Zebra beagling themself if they're an e!Coinshot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 I guess we’ll see when the game is over ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ rn I’m hoping Zebra just shoots me to end my suffering (solo elim Mistborn here with the worst RNG possible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 13 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said: oh well I kind of initially assumed that tineyes would be priority targets for elim kills before mouse suggested the alternative. I dunno, I do think in general flamingo would be a weird kill to make, but it probably was due to that role reasoning? How does that lead ostritch to be obviously paired for penguin though. Noted otherwise. Ostrich penguin e/e mainly because of D1 EoD where penguin would've died if Ostrich didn't tie up ivory dragonfly for the vote. FAQ: Q: Why would ostrich chose to tie their teammate instead of put another person firmly in the lead? A: because there was no opportunity to. Q: why didn't tuatara use vote manip to save penguin? A: because of poor doc comunication. Q: why is the penguin train more pure than the other trains? What makes you think the Ivory train was impure? A: because penguin was voted for by three villagers? Just now, Fuchsia Ostrich said: I guess we’ll see when the game is over ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ rn I’m hoping Zebra just shoots me to end my suffering (solo elim Mistborn here with the worst RNG possible) You claiming Elim mistborn with bad luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Iguana Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Haha what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 I am indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Iguana Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Haha what ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Chameleon Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Ostrich I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuchsia Ostrich Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) Too fatigued to keep trying and my team practically got combusted by inactivity so idk how fun it would be to drag the game out Edited January 13 by Fuchsia Ostrich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffron Iguana Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) Haha so there’s not jesters here haha ? edit idk idt this makes sense like there’s no way this is the last elim either so like what’s happening LOL Edited January 13 by Saffron Iguana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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