Convenient Medallion Feruchemy

[Trusk'our he/him]

We saw in BoM that the Malwish medallion tech can be used to allow people to store with Feruchemical iron even when asleep, as the medallions have an Identity and awareness of their own;

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Raddatatta

In Era 1, Sazed says the only thing you can Feruchemically store while sleeping is wakefulness, but in Era 2 they have the sky ships that require everyone to be storing weight to fly and they don't land while people sleep. Was Sazed just wrong, or is that a difference between normal Feruchemy and using the unsealed metalminds?

Brandon Sanderson

Unsealed metalminds, I am moving toward complete—you probably already guessed this—mechanical uses of Investiture, and this indeed is a step toward that. And so we are stepping toward having a little machine that gives you powers. That's what the world wants to try to find. And this is—this being mechanical—we'll just say that the medallions and the things that they're building have more of a life-force, more of an Identity of their own than a traditional metalmind does, even though they're unkeyed and all of this stuff.

I think that this could be amazingly convenient if it could be extended towards other Feruchemical attributes, as then you would be able to ignore the worst of the side effects while still being able to benefit from the stored attributes later. Compounding may not even be necessary in later eras of Scadrial if they could just have enough donors store attributes this way.

Mental speed, physical speed, strength, Fortune, determination, senses, Investiture, and Connection would all be way easier to get ahold of if you were sleeping the eight hours of being 40-60% underpowered away. It would barely be an inconvenience in most cases, to be honest.

EDIT: alright @alder24, I'm going to summon your attention to this topic directly, as it somehow seems to have slipped past your notice. How's it wrong?

Edited November 16, 2023 by Trusk'our

[alder24]

On 11/10/2023 at 7:12 AM, Trusk'our said:

EDIT: alright @alder24, I'm going to summon your attention to this topic directly, as it somehow seems to have slipped past your notice. How's it wrong?

It's not wrong, that's why it didn't pick up my attention - it's boring to simply agree  

However from TLM it seems that those kinds of medallions are very rare, entirely non-existent, or have some other limitations (maybe you can't tap it with compression). This can be simply because to make such medallions, they need to first have a Metalborn of this power, and because Metalborns are extremely rare in Malwish, no Metalborn with those powers has been born in the southern hemisphere since Catacendre, thus no medallion with those powers were ever made. Or maybe some other limitation which medallion tech possesses prevents them from creating those medallions in sufficient numbers or makes using them not the same as natural Ferrings can. There is something going on with them which limits them more than we would like it.

TLM ch 9:

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Every time they tried to get more information on medallions from people in the know, they got stonewalled. Obviously these were Malwish trade secrets, which explained part of it, but interviewing Allik they were able to consistently pick out discrepancies in what he said and what they actually saw. Why weren’t there Feruchemical soldiers in the Malwish army with extremely heightened strength, mental speed, or other dangerous Feruchemical talents? Why weren’t there Allomancer medallions? The more they learned, the more certain Wax became that there was a secret there, indicating the medallions were not as effective or as versatile as the Malwish would like people to believe.

I hope this kind of Ruining of your another topic is enough for you  

[Trusk'our he/him]

49 minutes ago, alder24 said:

It's not wrong, that's why it didn't pick up my attention - it's boring to simply agree  

Lol, fair enough. It is good to have found an idea that my peers think would probably work though.

49 minutes ago, alder24 said:

However from TLM it seems that those kinds of medallions are very rare, entirely non-existent, or have some other limitations (maybe you can't tap it with compression). This can be simply because to make such medallions, they need to first have a Metalborn of this power, and because Metalborns are extremely rare in Malwish, no Metalborn with those powers has been born in the southern hemisphere since Catacendre, thus no medallion with those powers were ever made. Or maybe some other limitation which medallion tech possesses prevents them from creating those medallions in sufficient numbers or makes using them not the same as natural Ferrings can. There is something going on with them which limits them more than we would like it.

Makes sense to me. 

I wonder if a Ferring agent of the North (or South, potentially) could be given such a medallion so that they'd have a much larger store of attributes to use on their missions. That would be interesting to see in era 3.

51 minutes ago, alder24 said:

I hope this kind of Ruining of your another topic is enough for you  

Good enough for me 

[Tamriel Wolfsbaine]

2 hours ago, Trusk'our said:

Lol, fair enough. It is good to have found an idea that my peers think would probably work though.

Makes sense to me. 

I wonder if a Ferring agent of the North (or South, potentially) could be given such a medallion so that they'd have a much larger store of attributes to use on their missions. That would be interesting to see in era 3.

Good enough for me 

I like it all. Now take a kandra and hide medallions in their true bodies.  

I know that medallion uses are limited to a set amount of powers. But do you suppose a kandra could carry multiple medallions and only be connected to one at a time?  

The ability to swap between hidden medallions at will basically would allow a kandra the powers of full feruchemist in the future without being known or destroying themselves with spikes. 

[Trusk'our he/him]

1 hour ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

I like it all. Now take a kandra and hide medallions in their true bodies.  

I know that medallion uses are limited to a set amount of powers. But do you suppose a kandra could carry multiple medallions and only be connected to one at a time?  

The ability to swap between hidden medallions at will basically would allow a kandra the powers of full feruchemist in the future without being known or destroying themselves with spikes. 

With aluminum compartments, yes, a Kandra could probably quickly swap between medallions. 

That should probably go on the 101 Kandra tricks thread.