Using Hemalurgy to Transition Between Realms?

[Trusk'our]

We know that it is possible to pull a Spren into the Physical Realm and give them a body, probably by artificially Connecting them there (as per Ishar's experiments).

This has made me wonder, could you take Connection to particular Realms with a Hemalurgic spike, then give those Connections to yourself or someone else to let them move between Realms?

For example, let's say you spike a Spren's Connection to the Cognitive Realm and give it to yourself. Would this potentially draw you into the CR when the spike was in your body? Then you could just remove the spike to transfer back to the PR at will.

Perhaps doing this wouldn't transfer your whole self, but just your mind/conciousness, similar to how Soulcasters can peer into the CR and see things others can't. This could also be pretty powerful, as it would be a way to prevent those skulking in Shadesmar from spying on you so effectively.

Additionally, you could probably do the same thing with the SR, allowing you to see the Spiritwebs of those around you (which is of particular interest to Hemalurgists, I might add). This could be like Dalinar using his Bondsmith powers to look at other's Connections.

Yumi spoilers:

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Looking into the SR via spikes would be like when Design uses a device to look at and measure Yumi's and Painter's Spiritwebs.

If you made peering into the SR powerful enough (i.e., supercharging the spike) then you could probably choose to or automatically see possible futures as well, even without Atium or electrum (though I'm sure this would be very difficult to achieve in comparison to just viewing Spiritwebs, and you wouldn't get the same mind enhancing effects of A-Atium).

[alder24]

8 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

This has made me wonder, could you take Connection to particular Realms with a Hemalurgic spike, then give those Connections to yourself or someone else to let them move between Realms?

It would work if you don't "exist physically" in that realm, like for Kelsier to be pulled into PR more. Probably he would still need an anchor in the form of a body to get fully transported into that realm. 

10 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

For example, let's say you spike a Spren's Connection to the Cognitive Realm and give it to yourself. Would this potentially draw you into the CR when the spike was in your body? Then you could just remove the spike to transfer back to the PR at will.

No, I don't think so. She has a body, and nothing in Hemalurgy makes this work like that. At best you would get what Lift has - greater presence in CR allowing there to see and touch spren. But Hemalurgy doesn't deal with the body transitioning into another realm.

11 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Perhaps doing this wouldn't transfer your whole self, but just your mind/conciousness, similar to how Soulcasters can peer into the CR and see things others can't. This could also be pretty powerful, as it would be a way to prevent those skulking in Shadesmar from spying on you so effectively.

That's what I think is the most likely.

13 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

If you made peering into the SR powerful enough (i.e., supercharging the spike) then you could probably choose to or automatically see possible futures as well, even without Atium or electrum (though I'm sure this would be very difficult to achieve in comparison to just viewing Spiritwebs, and you wouldn't get the same mind enhancing effects of A-Atium).

I don't feel this is right. It might give you a little edge if you already have a future sight, but on its own it won't make you see the future, and probably wouldn't even increase your Fortune. 

[Trusk'our]

30 minutes ago, alder24 said:

It would work if you don't "exist physically" in that realm, like for Kelsier to be pulled into PR more. Probably he would still need an anchor in the form of a body to get fully transported into that realm. 

No, I don't think so. She has a body, and nothing in Hemalurgy makes this work like that. At best you would get what Lift has - greater presence in CR allowing there to see and touch spren. But Hemalurgy doesn't deal with the body transitioning into another realm.

Yeah, as I was posting this I realized it is a bit of an extreme ability. Plus, Syl couldn't travel back to the PR when Bonded to Kaladin (her Connection to the PR), which means that humans with PR Connection probably couldn't do this thing either.

32 minutes ago, alder24 said:

That's what I think is the most likely.

I agree. I think that this could be really powerful for Hemalurgists in particular, as seeing the Spiritweb of their targets- being able to know what is there and visualizing it- would go great lengths to improve the delicacy of their spiking and allow them to give far more complex Commands for taking Spiritweb fragments (kind of like how a blind Awakener suddenly given sight could now send visualizations to their creations to give them clearer directions).

37 minutes ago, alder24 said:

I don't feel this is right. It might give you a little edge if you already have a future sight, but on its own it won't make you see the future, and probably wouldn't even increase your Fortune. 

I probably should have mentioned this, but I was imagining this sort of ability being similar to Telsin's Avatar power, with the spike holding tens of thousands of Breaths worth of Investiture in the spike to devote to this task.

In other words, I think you'd need a lot of power to achieve this result, far more than could be achieved with any regular spiking, but accessing the SR is what allows you to see the future, so using a spike this way should do the same.

[alder24]

52 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

In other words, I think you'd need a lot of power to achieve this result, far more than could be achieved with any regular spiking, but accessing the SR is what allows you to see the future, so using a spike this way should do the same.

Not every time you access SR you get future vision, Aon Tia don't give you that, Dalinar creating Perpendicularities don't have that etc. 

[Trusk'our]

5 hours ago, alder24 said:

Not every time you access SR you get future vision, Aon Tia don't give you that, Dalinar creating Perpendicularities don't have that etc. 

Hmmm. Perhaps they didn't have the correct Intent, or enough practice?

It just seems to me that if you can move your mind into the SR that you should, logically, be able to see fragments of the future as it is a "place" where all times are one.

In any case, even if you can't see the future for practical reasons or whatever else, simply being able to see people's Spiritual Aspects is by far the most intriguing part of this idea to me.