PrestoTheMagnificent Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) In TLM, Shai uses a soulstamp to rewrite her history into being an Elantrian. In theory, if a Scadrian could become a forger, could they rewrite their history into being born as a Mistborn/Full Feruchemist? Edited October 24, 2023 by PrestoTheMagnificent proofreading :)
Quantus he/him Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Shai is not a Scadrian, she is from the Rose Empire Sel. She's the protagonist of Emperor's Soul. Being just a Misting or Ferring should be easy so long as those traits are already present in your family history somewhere. Forging a Scadrian into a full Mistborn or full Feruchemist would have been easy in Era1 when those were common, but now the Forgery would have to provide a likely reason for that single bloodline to have survived at full power, and would have to reach pretty far back. On the other hand, if you can forge (or otehrwise convert) the Purified Dor into equal amount of Lerasium, you're all set. Edit: Sorry, I think I mis-read your post. It probably depends on how you become a Forger and if doing so somehow stripped you of your Scadrian Connections. Generally, yes, If a Scadrian with full Mistborn potential already in their bloodline (a sibling with the power, for example) they could probably Forge themselves into a Mistborn. But lacking that pre-existing potential, the WOB is weird, but implies that you could make yourself an Allomancer but it would lack the Connection to Preservation that would actually Power it. So if Feruchemy is chagingg your own batteries and Allomancy is like being plugged into the power grid, a Forged allomancer is an UnPlugged mains power machine. Edited October 24, 2023 by Quantus 2
alder24 Posted October 24, 2023 Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, PrestoTheMagnificent said: In TLM, Shai uses a soulstamp to rewrite her history into being an Elantrian. In theory, if a Scadrian could become a forger, could they rewrite their history into being born as a Mistborn/Full Feruchemist? Shai can do it. She can rewrite herself to be born on Scadrial or to ingest Lerasium at some point, it doesn't matter. But she would need a lot of investiture for her Mistborn powers to work, like a jar of pure Dor she used in TLM. This jar would fuel her Allomantic powers, as when it runs out, she can't burn metals anymore. But yes, you can do that: Spoiler Aneesh If there's a Forger like Shai who plausibly had an opportunity to ingest lerasium and become Mistborn, but she passed it up, could she create a stamp that makes her temporarily a Mistborn? Brandon Sanderson She would have to have access to enough Investiture to make that happen. The stamp saying, "Hey, I'm a Mistborn!" doesn't actually give her the Investiture to do that. She could rewrite her past so that she took that bead. She would not actually be able to use the power, until she got an infusion of Investiture, which could be done with a stamp in the right manner, but most of the time you're gonna have to have some external source. Basically you're gonna have to take a hit of Investiture, a large amount of it, and then use the stamp, and then it will feed on that to change you into basically any of the other magics. Aneesh Stormlight? Brandon Sanderson If you could get a hit of Stormlight, that'd work. The problem is, Stormlight's not easy to get off of Roshar, and it still is technically keyed. You could get it a lot more easily-- Stormlight would work fairly well, but what you really want is some pure, unkeyed Dor. That stuff, you could do all kinds of things with. But, you know, it's kinda dangerous. But that's the stuff you're gonna want, or something like unto it. Dragonsteel Mini-Con 2021 (Nov. 22, 2021) Spoiler MavenSoul I'm wondering if Shai could create a stamp that would turn someone into an Allomancer. Or, alternatively, create a stamp that would break a bond between a Radiant and their Spren? Brandon Sanderson This is possible--but likely beyond Shai's ability. It would require large amounts of investiture. The second would be easier. Skyward Pre-Release AMA (Oct. 15, 2018) But if you want a Scadrian to become a Forger then that's much, much harder. Invested arts on Sel are location locked - only people with a specific connection to a certain land can have the opportunity to gain access to one of them - like only people from Arelon and Teod can become Elantrians, nobody else. A Scadrian won't have that connection to MaiPon to become a Forger. At best they would have to be a duralumin Ferring in the first place and fabricate their connection to the land and it might give them Forgery, but Forgery is granted by birth, so probably this wouldn't work. What I want to say is that it would be much harder for a Scadrian to become a Forger, than for a Forger to become a Mistborn/Feruchemist. But Forgery can do what you want. Spoiler Questioner So, most of your magic systems are limited to only a slight portion of the population. Is that a conscious decision? Are there any that are open to anybody? Brandon Sanderson Certainly, the Warbreaker magic is open to everybody, and that's part of what I was doing, was I wanted to contrast the other ones. And this is just because it makes for good storytelling, honestly. And when I do this, I'm doing it too much, I go the other way. That's why Sixth of the Dusk is open to everyone, that's why different things are done differently in the magics. But, really, when I'm working on the books, I'm like, "Well, we need something dramatic and cool." And I would argue that at least some of them, such as in Stormlight Archive, those are open to anybody if you can convince a spren. And you're sincere, right? And I like going that direction. Certainly, the kind of old standby of "you're born with it" is really easy. It's really, what we call in Sci-Fi/Fantasy "grokkable." You can instantly, kind of, get it. You're like, "All right, this is just like a talent. Some people are born with different talents. Makes sense." It doesn't take a lot of explanation, you don't have to worldbuild a ton up front. Where something like Stormlight, you gotta send a lot of worldbuilding words to explain how it happens, why it happens, things like that. But the trade-off is, it's in many ways more satisfying if you do it the other way. So, I do try to balance those. But sometimes those short-hands are very handy. Questioner Is Forgery? Brandon Sanderson Forgery is a Selish magic system, so it is birth-based, tied to location. Oathbringer Chicago signing (Nov. 21, 2017) Spoiler Questioner The warrior monks in Elantris, are they a non-genetic magic system? Brandon Sanderson So here's the thing in Elantris. On Sel, you most usually need to be born in a certain location for the magic to work on you from that region. So, it's not genetic, meaning if you move there, your children count, right? Regardless of what your genetic heritage and things like that is. But it is regional. Questioner For Dakhor monks, wasn't it that they went to monasteries and trained over time and then they're...? Brandon Sanderson So they do have something done to them that does this. But where they're from is directly related to how that works, how powerful it is, and these sorts of things. JordanCon 2021 (July 17, 2021) Spoiler Questioner With Forgery and ChayShan, can anybody from that country do them? Brandon Sanderson Forge? 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PrestoTheMagnificent Posted October 25, 2023 Author Posted October 25, 2023 18 hours ago, alder24 said: But if you want a Scadrian to become a Forger then that's much, much harder. Invested arts on Sel are location locked - only people with a specific connection to a certain land can have the opportunity to gain access to one of them - like only people from Arelon and Teod can become Elantrians, nobody else. A Scadrian won't have that connection to MaiPon to become a Forger. At best they would have to be a duralumin Ferring in the first place and fabricate their connection to the land and it might give them Forgery, but Forgery is granted by birth, so probably this wouldn't work. What I want to say is that it would be much harder for a Scadrian to become a Forger, than for a Forger to become a Mistborn/Feruchemist. But Forgery can do what you want. Noted, that makes complete sense! Thanks for clarifying- can't wait to see the kind of wacky hijinks that duralumin ferrings get up to!
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