Hemalurgy and Kinetic Transfer

[Trusk'our he/him]

Bronzesense can detect Kinetic Investiture, but it has a difficult time detecting Static Investiture. Anyway, I got thinking and wondered, when you fill a Hemalurgic spike with Investiture, does it count as Kinetic Investiture when traveling from the donor to the spike, similar to transferring Breaths?

If this is the case, you could enhance your A-bronze to get extra information from the spiking, similar to when Vin burned duralumin and bronze in tWoA and could easily tell exactly what emotions Breeze was Soothing away from Elend.

Maybe a Hemalurgist could store some Bronzesense in a Tinmind and tap it at an accelerated rate to achieve this effect and this could help give them a greater knowledge of Hemalurgy's inner workings.

[Firesong she/her]

10 minutes ago, Trusk'our said:

Bronzesense can detect Kinetic Investiture, but it has a difficult time detecting Static Investiture. Anyway, I got thinking and wondered, when you fill a Hemalurgic spike with Investiture, does it count as Kinetic Investiture when traveling from the donor to the spike, similar to transferring Breaths?

If this is the case, you could enhance your A-bronze to get extra information from the spiking, similar to when Vin burned duralumin and bronze in tWoA and could easily tell exactly what emotions Breeze was Soothing away from Elend.

Maybe a Hemalurgist could store some Bronzesense in a Tinmind and tap it at an accelerated rate to achieve this effect and this could help give them a greater knowledge of Hemalurgy's inner workings.

It probably would count as kinetic during the transfer, as it is being used in a Invested Art during that process. My interpretation, is it briefly turns static investiture into kinetic investiture as it passes between the body and the spike (and vice versa), and then back into static. So I do believe that they could detect hemalurgy being used, but wouldn't be able to tell that something is a hemalurgic spike or not after the fact. 

They might be able to detect the Investiture slowly released over time as the spike is outside of a body, but that is just a maybe. Not so sure about it. 

[therunner he/him]

Hmm, interesting idea, creative and plausible.

I personally thought of spiking in the way that the spiritual aspect of the spike literally tears a way piece of spiritweb in SR (made possible through Ruin's Investiture involved). In that way it would not turn kinetic but be literally torn of piece of soul that itself never changed, just its Connection to spiritweb was changed.

[Trusk'our he/him]

5 hours ago, therunner said:

Hmm, interesting idea, creative and plausible.

I personally thought of spiking in the way that the spiritual aspect of the spike literally tears a way piece of spiritweb in SR (made possible through Ruin's Investiture involved). In that way it would not turn kinetic but be literally torn of piece of soul that itself never changed, just its Connection to spiritweb was changed.

I used to think of it that way as well, but I'm pretty sure that the Investiture of the Spiritweb that gets torn off in Hemalurgy has to travel via the PR since the spikes are containing the Investiture, which I think means that a spike's Investiture is PR based. . . even though it plugs directly into the bearer's Spiritweb, which is kind of weird.

That is an assumption though, so take it with a grain of salt.

[MistbornMathematician]

On 9/2/2023 at 10:08 AM, Trusk'our said:

when you fill a Hemalurgic spike with Investiture, does it count as Kinetic Investiture when traveling from the donor to the spike

Given that the Investiture is traveling from the Spiritual Realm to the Physical Realm (or, I suppose, the Cognitive if you're spiking someone there) I would assume it has to, since it's moving Investiture and thus "kinetic". Bronze will detect someone summoning a Shardblade, after all, which is a similar realm transfer.