d3adu Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 I was reading some speculation the other day that Dalinar forgetting his wife may not be his curse, but actually his boon. Though I think this is an interesting idea, I'm not sure it fits Dalinar's character. But then i started thinking - What would Dalinar ask for for his boon? Then it hit me - What if he asked for his wife to be brought back to life? We have seen reincarnation in this series a few times so far (Szeth). So lets say this were the case- the Nightwatcher would bring his wife back to life, but as his curse, Dalinar would lose all memory of her. Its obviously just a theory, and there is no real evidence to support it, but I think it would make for a pretty great chapter to see Dalinar's reaction receiving this curse. It just seems like it would be something that the Nightwatcher would do. What do you think? 13
Delightful Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Welcome to 17th Shard, take a welcoming upvote! It's an interesting theory, although I find it unlikely. How would you explain why no one else knows of her existence? Or why she never visits her sons? Unless she has also lost her memory, which sounds like some highly complicated situation we can't really predict right now. I'm not saying its impossible per se. It would just open up a ton of questions, and as you pointed out, there's not really any evidence to back it up. If you want some other theories on Dalinar's wife. a quick search brought me to this and this.. Feel free to look around and post any other theories even crackpot ones you have 1
johnytopinka Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 I think it's unlikely, because Dalinar said to Renarin that he knows exactly what his boon was. 1
11thorderknight Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 I may be mistaken, but I could swear that we were explicitly told in Way of Kings that losing her memory was the boon. Anyone out there with an electronic copy care to do a search?
Delightful Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 I may be mistaken, but I could swear that we were explicitly told in Way of Kings that losing her memory was the boon. Anyone out there with an electronic copy care to do a search? I think Navani asked if his boon had anything to do with his visions and he just said "No I know exactly what my boon and curse is." It may even be just speculation that the Nightwatcher is involved with shshshsh at all. Don't have a digital copy to check right now though.
Guest Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 I think Navani asked if his boon had anything to do with his visions and he just said "No I know exactly what my boon and curse is." It may even be just speculation that the Nightwatcher is involved with shshshsh at all. Don't have a digital copy to check right now though. Navani ask him about it and he denied the visions were a side product of the Old Magic. He tells to one of him son how he knows what the boon and the curse was. Brandon has also mentions some people have noticed Dalinar's lost of memory regarding his wife, but he has, so far, hide it very well. Personally, I suspect Renarin may have figured it, but not the others. Maybe Adolin has started to see something is amiss, afterall he is the one carrying a keep-stake from his mother all around: he must have loved her. Navani appears clueless, the way she talks about shshshshshshshsh.
Guest Posted July 19, 2014 Posted July 19, 2014 Just another random thought I had this afternoon.... Am I the only one who finds it suspicious Dalinar's wife died at about the same time Vasher showed up? Coincidence?
Delightful Posted July 20, 2014 Posted July 20, 2014 Just another random thought I had this afternoon.... Am I the only one who finds it suspicious Dalinar's wife died at about the same time Vasher showed up? Coincidence? how do we know it's around the same time?
Guest Posted July 20, 2014 Posted July 20, 2014 how do we know it's around the same time? Well, I may be wrong in my facts, but we know Dalinar's wife died 10 years ago and we konw Vasher has been serving Dalinar for about 10 years as well..... Coincidence? I keep wondering why Vasher would put himself into the service of Dalinar... I understand why he choose to come to Roshar, but surrender himself to a live of servitude as an Ardent? And keeping at it for 10 years? What is his goal? He knows Nightblood is out there and yet he remains with Dalinar? If he really wanted to help Dalinar, he could have found himself another place within his army, why as a swordsmaster? Just so he could teach a few young boys? Is it coincidence he arrives into Dalinar's retinue at about the same time his wife dies and at the same time he appoints himself as his son's swordsmaster? Vasher does not strike me as the kind of person who does anything for nothing. He must have a plan, a reason and his timing is strange.
jParker Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Vasher does not strike me as the kind of person who does anything for nothing. He must have a plan, a reason and his timing is strange. Which brings us to the question of what Vivenna is up to? I believe it's already been pretty well shut down that Vivenna could be shshshsh, but we last saw our duo heading off into the brave unknown. While I imagine much happened between the end of Warbreaker and Words of Radiance, who's to say she never appeared on Roshar? And seeing how she was kind of an idiot... As for why Vasher's there, it seems like basic human nature, like watching a car crash. Everyone, or at least the worldhoppers, know something big is about to go down; ordinary folks tend to crowd around; throw in a heap of hero complexes and, well, you get a really cool, complicated story.
Guest Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Which brings us to the question of what Vivenna is up to? I believe it's already been pretty well shut down that Vivenna could be shshshsh, but we last saw our duo heading off into the brave unknown. While I imagine much happened between the end of Warbreaker and Words of Radiance, who's to say she never appeared on Roshar? And seeing how she was kind of an idiot... As for why Vasher's there, it seems like basic human nature, like watching a car crash. Everyone, or at least the worldhoppers, know something big is about to go down; ordinary folks tend to crowd around; throw in a heap of hero complexes and, well, you get a really cool, complicated story. If Vivenna was shshshshsh then Adolin and Renarin would have the royal locks....... However, I'd like to see Vivenna on Roshar. I get it he knows something big is going to happen, but why he is sitting there, teaching kids to sword fight? What is his purpose? And how is it he came to Dalinar's service specifically and specifically at the same time his wife turns out dead? At the time, Dalinar was a different person, a blood thirsty warrior known to kill whoever displeased him. Hardly a role model, so why come to him? And just why a swords master of all things?
el_warko he/him Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 If Vivenna was shshshshsh then Adolin and Renarin would have the royal locks....... However, I'd like to see Vivenna on Roshar. I get it he knows something big is going to happen, but why he is sitting there, teaching kids to sword fight? What is his purpose? And how is it he came to Dalinar's service specifically and specifically at the same time his wife turns out dead? At the time, Dalinar was a different person, a blood thirsty warrior known to kill whoever displeased him. Hardly a role model, so why come to him? And just why a swords master of all things? I like to think of it as a working holiday. Besides, if I'd spent hunderds of years with Nightblood, I'd want a holiday away from him. Preferably forever. 1
Guest Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I like to think of it as a working holiday. Besides, if I'd spent hunderds of years with Nightblood, I'd want a holiday away from him. Preferably forever. Yes but the timing... the timing is just to coincidental to be accidental don't you think?
Voidus Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 I don't think so, there's a lot of events that have happen on Roshar, his arrival pretty much had to roughly coincide with one of them.
Silus - Shard of Flame he/him Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 When they say Zahel's been there ten years, and that shshshsh has been dead for 10 years, they could be referring to distinct amounts of time. Most people like to round times to nice even numbers, especially when it's been many years. For all we know Zahel could have been around for only about 9 years and shshshsh has been dead for 12, but those two numbers conveniently round to 10, so that's what people say in a normal conversation.
Guest Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 When they say Zahel's been there ten years, and that shshshsh has been dead for 10 years, they could be referring to distinct amounts of time. Most people like to round times to nice even numbers, especially when it's been many years. For all we know Zahel could have been around for only about 9 years and shshshsh has been dead for 12, but those two numbers conveniently round to 10, so that's what people say in a normal conversation. I could be.... but don't we have a WoB stating Zahel has been in Roshar for 10 years? As for shshshshs, then perhaps someone could ask Brandon? Did Zahel's arrival within Dalinar's service coincide with his wife's death? I'd really like to know the answer to this one. I keep feeling there is more to Zahel's presence than we are being led to believe so far.
WeiryWriter he/him Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 If Vivenna was shshshshsh then Adolin and Renarin would have the royal locks....... However, I'd like to see Vivenna on Roshar. Actually no they wouldn't, Vivenna isn't Queen so she cannot pass on the Royal Locks. 1
Guest Posted July 28, 2014 Posted July 28, 2014 Actually no they wouldn't, Vivenna isn't Queen so she cannot pass on the Royal Locks. Oh I thought it was automatic.... Do you have the thread where the possibility of Vivenna being shshshshsh was being discussed? I'd like to read it.
Flywinged he/him Posted July 30, 2014 Posted July 30, 2014 I've actually been thinking about his wife for awhile, and after doing a reread of WoK and WoR, it struck me that what if his wife was Shalash? While I was reading the Baxil interlude, it occurred to me that Shalash has been trying to erase all images of herself, wouldn't erasing herself from the one who knew her best, her husband, be a good place to start? Just a theory without much solid evidence behind it, but it's interesting to note. 3
Curiosity he/him Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Navani ask him about it and he denied the visions were a side product of the Old Magic. He tells to one of him son how he knows what the boon and the curse was. Brandon has also mentions some people have noticed Dalinar's lost of memory regarding his wife, but he has, so far, hide it very well. Personally, I suspect Renarin may have figured it, but not the others. Maybe Adolin has started to see something is amiss, afterall he is the one carrying a keep-stake from his mother all around: he must have loved her. Navani appears clueless, the way she talks about shshshshshshshsh. Quick note: I believe that Adolin does not remember his mother either. Don't have the book on me though, so I can't confirm it.
Guest Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Quick note: I believe that Adolin does not remember his mother either. Don't have the book on me though, so I can't confirm it. He remembers... He has been keeping her chain with him for a decade and convinced himself it brought him good luck... He was distressed when he lost it. He also mentions his mother when Navani frets over him before a duel, thinking it was good to have some motherly attention... Dalinar also mentions in WoK how the boys would often talk about their mother and how he encouraged them despite not remembering a thing. Both Kohlin kids remember their mother, now the question is, did they noticed their father does not remember? My money is on Renarin.
Shardmancer he/him Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Very Intrestign theory about Vivenna being Dalinar's wife.. I havnt seen that before here.. Just to throw some gas on that fire.. She does have royal locks and Adolin has very different hair than most Alethi showing that his mother was not pure blood and probably outside the Alethi circle. This could mean she was probably someone who came out of no-where perhaps.. Seems to me it would take a compelling intresting woman to hold Dalinar's attention and I can certainly see that couple.. Either way it could make sense with Adolin hair and Dalinar wife being somewhere outside the regualr Alethi circles.
Guest Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Very Intrestign theory about Vivenna being Dalinar's wife.. I havnt seen that before here.. Just to throw some gas on that fire.. She does have royal locks and Adolin has very different hair than most Alethi showing that his mother was not pure blood and probably outside the Alethi circle. This could mean she was probably someone who came out of no-where perhaps.. Seems to me it would take a compelling intresting woman to hold Dalinar's attention and I can certainly see that couple.. Either way it could make sense with Adolin hair and Dalinar wife being somewhere outside the regualr Alethi circles. I think Dalinar's wife was a foreigner. Someone he met while traveling to the west perhaps? Who later joined the Alethki court? I am pretty sure she was blond as Adolin is nearly all blond, almost no black at all. Renarin is said to have blond locks as well, but I gathered from Brandon he is more black than Adolin. She also had a shardplate unaccounted for in Alethkar. She was able to give it to her firstborn. I doubt she would have been able to do so had she been Alethki. Kaladin thinks she may have been from Rira.... which makes me wonder if she still has family out there... Is there grand-parents and cousins to the Kohlins kids still living in the far west?
Gamma Fiend he/him Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 Kaladin thinks she may have been from Rira.... which makes me wonder if she still has family out there... Is there grand-parents and cousins to the Kohlins kids still living in the far west? I figured it out. shshshsh was a Herdazian. So that'd make her Lopen's Cousin, thus making true his declaration that he is royalty. Boom. 4
Pathfinder Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 What if Galivar had her killed, and Dalinar found out, or Dalinar found out Galivar and her were getting down. Dalinar already admitted once upon a time he considered killing Galivar because of Navani. Perhaps he asked the Nightwatcher to make him forget his wife, because he knew he could never forgive Galivar and would result in going to war. Just some thoughts that popped into my head. 2
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