Firesong she/her Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, alder24 said: Badly, she will cry and who could blame her. But if she were able to push through the Testament's revelation and grow, she can handle that truth too. On the bright side, her mother isn't dead, she is still alive and just insane. That's reassuring, right? I think most of the main characters threads opened in SA 1-4 will be resolved in SA 5, like Shallan's past, Kaladin, Szeth stuff, Dalinar and Honor/Oathpact etc. Waiting 10 years just to see Shallan tell her final truth in someone else's book is anticlimactic kind of. True. And we know we aren't getting Honor and the Oathpact completely resolved, that is going to keep being a big thing in Part 2. Dalinar though, we likely will.
coolsnow7 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) On 7/6/2023 at 11:13 PM, HoidIsAdonalsium said: Other theories seen so far: Current Stormfather being a fake/SA5 Stormfather being a pretender-Ishar/Cultivation shenanigans. My personal favorite (possibly because I’m the only one who thinks it, but also because I’m pretty sure I’m the first to voice it) is that Stormfather has been infected (or whatever the word is) by Sja-Anat. Hence the eye holes when he appears to Gavilar sometimes, hence why he doesn’t want the Heralds to figure out something about his condition, and hence his lying to Gavilar. Edited August 1, 2023 by coolsnow7
alder24 Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 6 hours ago, coolsnow7 said: My personal favorite (possibly because I’m the only one who thinks it, but also because I’m pretty sure I’m the first to voice it) is that Honor has been infected (or whatever the word is) by Sja-Anat. Hence the eye holes when he appears to Gavilar sometimes, hence why he doesn’t want the Heralds to figure out something about his condition, and hence his lying to Gavilar. Sja-Anat said that she only recently learned how to Enlight True Spren or spren of Oathgates. She isn't powerful enough to influence Honor himself, not even Stormfather as Stormfather is the most invested entity on Roshar except for Shards. Stormfather holds the biggest pieces of Honor. I think that's impossible for her to do. Spoiler Questioner You've previously said that Nightblood is the most powerful non-Shardic being in the Cosmere. Is he more powerful than the Unmade or Stormfather in terms of raw Investiture? Brandon Sanderson Raw Investiture? Here's the thing, when you say powerful, it can mean lots of different things. More raw Investiture than the Stormfather... probably not. Than the Unmade, probably. I would have to look, I don't have the numbers on this. But the Stormfather is very restricted in what he can do. Orem Signing (March 16, 2019)
Firesong she/her Posted July 31, 2023 Posted July 31, 2023 Wait, another thing I feel supports Shallan being the daughter of Chanarach. She is named after Shalash and is in the Order of Lightweavers, whose patron is Shalash. If you look at what book goes to which order, the Shalash book would be the Dustbringer book, and Chanarach is the patron of Dustbringers. This would mean nothing, but when you put in all the other evidence I listed on this forum, it does seem to have some deeper meaning to it that Shalash in particular is associated with Dustbringers in the book order.
coolsnow7 Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 20 hours ago, alder24 said: Sja-Anat said that she only recently learned how to Enlight True Spren or spren of Oathgates. She isn't powerful enough to influence Honor himself, not even Stormfather as Stormfather is the most invested entity on Roshar except for Shards. Stormfather holds the biggest pieces of Honor. I think that's impossible for her to do. Reveal hidden contents Questioner You've previously said that Nightblood is the most powerful non-Shardic being in the Cosmere. Is he more powerful than the Unmade or Stormfather in terms of raw Investiture? Brandon Sanderson Raw Investiture? Here's the thing, when you say powerful, it can mean lots of different things. More raw Investiture than the Stormfather... probably not. Than the Unmade, probably. I would have to look, I don't have the numbers on this. But the Stormfather is very restricted in what he can do. Orem Signing (March 16, 2019) Apologies, I typoed Stormfather as Honor. Gonna go back and edit.
alder24 Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, coolsnow7 said: Apologies, I typoed Stormfather as Honor. Gonna go back and edit. It would be impossible for her to Enlight Stormfather as well, he's too invested (investiture resists investiture) and she just learned how to corrupt True Spren (which requires their consent - always). Stormfather is too proud to agree to that and he remembers his past well - there are suggestions that Enlightened spren loses their memories when corrupted, just like Unmades do. And why is he fine later in WoK? He isn't corrupted anymore. 18 hours ago, Firesong said: Wait, another thing I feel supports Shallan being the daughter of Chanarach. She is named after Shalash and is in the Order of Lightweavers, whose patron is Shalash. If you look at what book goes to which order, the Shalash book would be the Dustbringer book, and Chanarach is the patron of Dustbringers. This would mean nothing, but when you put in all the other evidence I listed on this forum, it does seem to have some deeper meaning to it that Shalash in particular is associated with Dustbringers in the book order. That might be a small point. But if Shallan is named after Ash, what was the relation between Ash and Chana? Can she be Shallash's mother? We know nothing about her. Chana doesn't look like Ash's mother but Jez doesn't look like her father as well. Maybe they can change their appearance just like Returned and that is why Ash looks different? Edited August 1, 2023 by alder24
Firesong she/her Posted August 1, 2023 Posted August 1, 2023 3 hours ago, alder24 said: It would be impossible for her to Enlight Stormfather as well, he's too invested (investiture resists investiture) and she just learned how to corrupt True Spren (which requires their consent - always). Stormfather is too proud to agree to that and he remembers his past well - there are suggestions that Enlightened spren loses their memories when corrupted, just like Unmades do. And why is he fine later in WoK? He isn't corrupted anymore. That might be a small point. But if Shallan is named after Ash, what was the relation between Ash and Chana? Can she be Shallash's mother? We know nothing about her. Chana doesn't look like Ash's mother but Jez doesn't look like her father as well. Maybe they can change their appearance just like Returned and that is why Ash looks different? I feel that she was just named after Shallash to foreshadow her becoming a Lightweaver. A lot of people are named after Heralds, Kaladin and Ishikk, for examples. I do recall that there is a WoB that confirms Shallan is named after Shallash, though. I don't think Shallash and Chana are gonna be that closely related. Given how differently they look. Chana is fairly light-skinned (not Caucasian levels, but lighter than Alethi), and Jezrien lookes Alethi. Yet Shallash looks Azish, and the Azish are darker than the Alethi. So I find that unlikely if you look at the Punnett Square for it all. It might have either been Lin's decision, or Shallash and Chana were close and she was naming her after her old friend.
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