Stormlightsong Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) What makes someone an Elantrian is their connection to the Dor so couldn’t you theoretically store that connection into a metalmind? If you did this would your skin stop glowing and you can’t access the dor for as long as you’re storing? In addition, if you stored your connection into an unsealed metalmind could you then give that to someone else, and they can become an elantrian? finally what if you tap connection to the Dor when you’re already in elantrian would you be able to draw more investiture even though you can already draw an infinite amount of investiture? Edited May 16, 2023 by Stormlightsong
alder24 Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Stormlightsong said: What makes someone an Elantrian is their connection to the Dor so couldn’t you theoretically store that connection into a metalmind? If you did this would your skin stop glowing and you can’t access the dor for as long as you’re storing? There is more to it. There are 2 things that make you an Elantrian, first one is the connection to Arelon (to the land, the local area where that particular piece of Dor is located in CR, that's important), second is the transformation itself. You can store that connection, if you already are an Elantrian, and in this case I think you would behave like Elantrains very far away from Arelon, like on Scadrial, still being Elantrians, but unable to draw from Dor (which is what that connection does) - and this will likely kill them, as their Elantrian body needs Dor. Their skin would stop glowing as it runs out of the Dor. 11 minutes ago, Stormlightsong said: In addition, if you stored your connection into an unsealed metalmind could you then give that to someone else, and they can become an elantrian? Just by Conection? No - as they didn't went through transformation. It would make it easier for them to become Elantrians themself. 11 minutes ago, Stormlightsong said: finally what if you tap connection to the Dor when you’re already in elantrian would you be able to draw more investiture even though you can already draw an infinite amount of investiture? With a connection medallion you could make it work the other way around - first keep storing the connection, and later when far away from Elantris, tap it and gain the full power of AonDor. But inside Elantris you would barely notice a change, as Elantris itself is a giant Aon amplyfing the power of AonDor in that place, just a little bit of connection form Feruchemy (which carries low investiture compared to Aons) would make no difference. WoBs: Spoiler mail-mi Could you spike Elantrian-ness? Like, could you Hemalurgically spike Elantrian-ness? Brandon Sanderson Theoretically, yes. mail-mi Could you out of a Reod Elantrian? The zombie ones? Brandon Sanderson Um, yes you could. mail-mi You could? Brandon Sanderson So what you would be spiking there is their Connection to...to the planet, first. That's gonna be the big important thing. So you're going to overwrite your Connection. Um, and then you're going to....it's going to be a complicated process because you're going to have to spike the actual ability to have been transformed, that's gonna be harder. mail-mi Okay. Brandon Sanderson Does that make sense? mail-mi Yeah, so it's gonna take two spikes. Brandon Sanderson It's gonna take two spikes. mail-mi Alright. Brandon Sanderson And you gonna have to get the right Connection to the right place. Let's say you spike somebody from MaiPon, and then you spike an Elantrian, you're not going to be able to use it, you're not connected to the right area. Orem signing 2014 (Dec. 6, 2014) Spoiler mcase19 Could someone Feruchemically storing connection in an Aonic nation become an Elantrian? Brandon Sanderson It's a little tougher than that, but it would be a start. And for some people, it would be enough. yahasgaruna Is it tougher because of some inherent difficultly with the selection process of Elantrians? Or because of something to do with using connection? Brandon Sanderson I'm getting a few too many 17th Shard style questions on the thread. I'm going to start curtailing them, as waking up to an hour' or two's worth of detailed cosmere questions each day is going to seriously impact my ability to actually write. So I'm going to liberally apply RAFO from here out. So RAFO. Stormlight Three Update #4 (Oct. 5, 2016) Spoiler Questioner If you Soulstamp somebody to give them a Connection to Arelon, and they became an Elantrian, could they become and Elantrian, and if the Soulstamp is removed, would they remain? Brandon Sanderson Okay, so you're asking a better one than people have asked. So you say "You get Soulstamped, you move to Arelon, your soul thinks that it is this, you do have spiritweb of Connection" I will go ahead and RAFO this with the caveat of why it might not work, is because, you might think you’re something, right? That doesn't necessarily mean-- Like, this is not completely invisible and things like this. And so, whether the power is going to follow those lines of Connection or not I will leave up to discussion, but it is a possibility worth theorizing upon. Questioner So a Soulstamp doesn't necessarily change the core of your spiritweb. Brandon Sanderson It does, but it's overwriting it. It's like Hemalurgy. What you are is still there underneath when it's ripped away, right? Arcanum Unbounded Chicago signing (Dec. 6, 2016) Spoiler DoritoJH So, AonDor is super versatile and powerful. Brandon Sanderson Yes, but region-locked! DoritoJH Yes, it is region locked, exactly. If a full Feruchemist using nicrosil were to create an unlocked medallion that allowed an Elantrian to store Connection to Elantris' location, would it let them use AonDor at full power as long as they were tapping that Connection? Brandon Sanderson Yes. That should work just fine. ... Just understand that the medallion's going to have to be usable by everyone in order to work. You're going to have to jump through some hoops, but I think what you want there would work. And for those of you listening, that would be the harder way to unlock AonDor. There are easier methods. DragonCon 2019 (Aug. 31, 2019) 1
Leuthie Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 Read Elantris to see what an Elantrian becomes when they lose their Connection. 2
Walter The Moral Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 Although you could drink the Dor in liquid form to stay alive, like we see in SH.
alder24 Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 44 minutes ago, Walter The Moral said: Although you could drink the Dor in liquid form to stay alive, like we see in SH. Yeah, but @Leuthie brought an excellent point, which I missed, without proper connection, they're stuck mid-transformation.
cometaryorbit Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 Not necessarily. There's also the state that Galladon appears in as Grump in WoK; non-glowing but not zombie. I think that just being disconnected from the Dor would do that. The Reod Elantrians are being continuously acted on by a broken city of Elantris. That state is actively being maintained, I think- they are actually harder to kill than normal Elantrians (who have some healing, but it's pretty poor compared to Radiants or Gold Health users). If the city itself is fine but you're just out of reach, I think that's different. It might be dangerous in another way, though. If an Elantrian were completely disConnected- not just too distant - they might count as "not an Elantrian" and age to death like TLR?
alder24 Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 28 minutes ago, cometaryorbit said: Not necessarily. There's also the state that Galladon appears in as Grump in WoK; non-glowing but not zombie. I think that just being disconnected from the Dor would do that. Yes, but both Galladon and Riino still have Connection to Elantris and Dor while on Roshar (they are just too far away to draw from Dor). They're not fully disconnected, which is what I assume is happening while storing duralumin (assuming that you can store 100% of your Connection). If you can't store 100% of your Connection, what you're saying will be true, that's how they will look like. Spoiler [...] Yourigath If an Elantrian worldhops does it returns to a normal human pre-Shaod state? If this Elantrian goes back to Sel it recovers his Elantrian powers or he keeps his pre-Shaod form? Brandon Sanderson An Elantrian away from Sel would still be an Elantrian--but many of the visible signs would fade away, much like something florescent that stops glowing when moved away from a Black Light. /r/books AMA 2015 (May 22, 2015) 31 minutes ago, cometaryorbit said: It might be dangerous in another way, though. If an Elantrian were completely disConnected- not just too distant - they might count as "not an Elantrian" and age to death like TLR? I don't think so because they underwent transformation, they are spiritually still Elantrias.
Leuthie Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, cometaryorbit said: Not necessarily. There's also the state that Galladon appears in as Grump in WoK; non-glowing but not zombie. I think that just being disconnected from the Dor would do that. The Reod Elantrians are being continuously acted on by a broken city of Elantris. That state is actively being maintained, I think- they are actually harder to kill than normal Elantrians (who have some healing, but it's pretty poor compared to Radiants or Gold Health users). If the city itself is fine but you're just out of reach, I think that's different You may be right. The broken Aon (wrong Connection) might be worse than no Aon (no Connection) at all.
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