Szeth's Facepalm Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 @CalanoCorvus @Tesh @DramaQueen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml8T3vNsRNY (finale teaser) Alright guys how we doin Is everybody ready for the finale tomorrow? (I'm not) Any predictions? Also here's a bingo generator so you can make your own owl house bingo if you so please: https://myfreebingocards.com/bingo-card-generator Whenever i start a topic in entertainment i always do favorite characters. My favorite is Raine. As you can likely surmise from that, I am very concerned for the finale ;-; Anyway! my predictions are that King and the Collector are gonna have a heart to heart where king explains how they're just like each other and Collector should stop being mean to the boiling isles residents so they can be friends, and then Eda and Raine get married. :))) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 New topic? The Owl House in the name? I can't miss it! I'm not ready! I don't want it to end! It's too soon! I didn't even watch any teasers. Is it bad that my favorite character is Belos? It's just soo good to see such a mysterious at the beginning, later a menacing and scheming villain with such well written motivations, powerful, but with severe limitations and consequences for using his power. Such a great villain. But the Amity is right behind him! And poor Hunter as well. Well, I'm worried for Eda or Camila because Dana doesn't like happy endings, I fear that one of them will die. At the very least people will get separated, either Luz will stay in the Boiling Isles, Camilar will return to the Human Realm, or Luz will return, Amity will stay. But that's very end, earlier Hunter and Belos will have a final clash, and Flapjack will be avenged (Hunter needs to face him for the last time), Luz will be playing Collector's new game, talk to the Titan and with King they will convince Collector that they can be just kids, and have fun without harming anybody, and Eda (if still alive) will adopt Collector too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesh Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 (edited) Hoooooooo boy. Heads up, maaaaajor Owl House spoilers. I'm currently working on another rewatch so that I can go straight from FtF to WaD tomorrow but I'm currently only on episode 15 of season two so I'll have a lot of watching to do. (This may or may not be my eleventh time watching the show the whole way through, minus FtF.) My favorite characters are Hunter and Raine, but I am not getting the vibes that anything's gonna happen to either of them. Hunter's already been through a looooot and we've just barely had Raine and Eda's relationship set up for it to get torn down. Due to the poster, though, as well as the little moment right at the beginning of FtF when Luz gets stuck between realms, I think we're definitely going to get some titan lore. Which will be epic and will likely go hand in hand with stuff about the Collector. HOWEVER I WILL BE SO DISAPOINTED IF WE DON'T GET A WHITTEBANE FLASHBACK. I have a very intense emotional connection to Caleb and just the whole history there in part due to like a 24 hour period where I found a song that fits Caleb and Philip's story *so closely* and listened to it on repeat for literally hours and hours and I planned out an entire animatic despite not having the skills or resources to create and animatic. But yes. I love him. But considering the little bit of lore we got in TtT and then seeing his ghost/hallucination in FtF as well as Belos trying to inhabit the unfinished grimwalker, that just feels like it's building up to something more. A flashback is a best case scenario for me. I know most people think that what we see of Caleb in FtF is a hallucination, but I reaaaaaally hope it's actually a ghost and that we can get some interaction between Caleb and Hunter even though I know that's super unlikely. Just... I need something to feed the Whittebrainrot. We'll definitely get at least some hints as to what Hunter's going to get into, as there have been lots of hints of him learning how to carve palismen primarily due to Eda's conversation with her dad and then Hunter directly saying that he wants to learn how (there was just so much set up with Eda's dad to have this pushed to the side), which also reinforeces the idea that Eda is a descendant of Evelyn so we're hopefully going to get some info on *that.* *takes a deep breath* Also if Luz ends up having to leave the Boiling Isles behind (that was kind of done in a different Disney show that I will not mention because spoilers) then honestly I'll be incredibly disappointed. I don't think there's really any way that they can pull that off. Because... everything that she has is in the demon realm. (I'm trying to reassure myself.) So much of her journey has been her accepting that she is strange and that there are people out there who love her despite being a weirdo. Her only tie to the human realm is her mom and maybe Vee. (Speaking of Vee we've got to get some closure with her storyline.) Big brain dump right there, but... yeah. My brain is a mess. And I've seen this storming show so many times that it's all just embeded deep in my brain right now. Oh and we're definitely going to have another confrontation between Hunter and Belos. Cause what happened in King's Tide just felt like the precursor to an actual conclusion to that specific aspect of the story. Just... more than anything I just need a big family reunion between Luz, King, Eda, Lilith, and Hooty. Oh and I've seen a lot of theories about Belos trying to inhabit the corspe of the Titan which I think would be hecking awesome and honestly I can totally see that happening. I will be back tomorrow afternoon to gush about the parallels in the score, by the way. (Because not only have I seen the show a ton, I've also listened to the music. It is like... very deep in the folds of my brain.) Oh also if you guys haven't seen, they recently posted the actual art from Hollow Mind and it's super cool and there are a few in there that weren't very clear in the show itself (if they were in there at all, honeslty) and they're cooooool. "This is the end." Oh I'm on Understanding Willow right now though and when Luz said "She never said anything about shenanigans" I just about lost it. Hey Dana? No shenanagins tomorrow, please and thank you. Hopefully that was at least semi coherent, it's been a long day and the brain gremlins have been awakened. Oh and if we don't get a happy ending I will riot. /hj Edited April 8 by Tesh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szeth's Facepalm Posted April 8 Author Report Share Posted April 8 (edited) It's out in one minute you guys aknskjfdvhds;kjhfqourskljdbvdljkaf i can't Edit: WAIT NO I GOT IT WRONG, it's PM not AM . . . ;-; Edited April 8 by Szeth's Facepalm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Witless Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Do you guys know if it'll be on Youtube? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szeth's Facepalm Posted April 8 Author Report Share Posted April 8 Yup!! I'm almost positive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 24 minutes ago, Wittles of Shinovar said: Do you guys know if it'll be on Youtube? It will, but like other episodes it will be in US only, I think (poor me), from the description of the last trailer on Disney Channel YT: "Watch the full episode on Disney Channel YouTube on Saturday, April 8th at 10:30PM PT." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Witless Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 Yay! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla The Storyteller Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 I'm finna be watching that in study hall on Tuesday morning. Excited :> So very excited and SAD IT'S OVER BUT AOUFYAIBEAOU 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesh Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 (edited) Very soon. Very very soon. About to watch For the Future, then I'll have a few minutes before Watching and Dreaming will be up on YouTube. I'm terrified but a friend of mine watched it a couple hours ago on Disney Channel and said it's absolutely phenomenal. So... Yeah. I think all shall be well. Minus the fact that it'll be over but so it goes. Edit: I cried for literally thirty minutes straight afterwards and I'm still at the edge and anything might tip me over it and make me start sobbing again. Edited April 9 by Tesh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szeth's Facepalm Posted April 9 Author Report Share Posted April 9 Jakfhsksldhhflsalhfjdlakuf y slpsfhtldodjf i jave to wait till monday i am going to whither away and die Hflskshflslshfjlskdhgeljffhdllsjfgfkdldjgfkdodlsls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 (edited) Oh guy, that was a lot to take. It was great. Spoilers for more: Spoiler BELOS POSSESSED THE TITAN!!! That’s why I love Belos! I had been predicting it would happen since the finale of season 1 but after "Elsewhere and Elsewhen" came I got more skeptical, but it still was with me as a cool fantasy (partially inspired by the Final Space show), and it happened! And it ended so... easily? Like he became a Godzilla, killed Luz, and like a moss he was, he got ripped off the heart and that's it? I kind of was expecting a lot more from it (at least in my fantasies there was much more happening with Titan-Belos). Instead of a cool battle with the possessed titan there was still a cool fight against a... moss? But despite that, it was still great. I'm kind of sad Hunter didn't get to deal the final blow to Belos, he certainly deserved it. Collector had it hard here. Poor kid, didn't understand what friendship is all about. But he got it. They showed him what it means. It went a bit too easy (again :P) in my opinion, but it moved my heart how he became better thanks to them. And the Titian showed up, gave us his backstory, final words to King, and his epic powers to Luz. Luz Finally became a cool good witch Luzura! She rules! Cool appearance, cool magic, cool glyphs. She was great. Why did they put narration 10 minutes before the end and make us miss the reunion, first meeting between Eda and Camila, Collector's farewell and others? That was a crime! I wanted more of this. But fortunately the way Amity looked at the end makes it up to me, it's hard to believe that she changed so much since the first episodes. And it had a happy ending, no separations, no deaths, that's good too. But I had to admit, I liked "Thanks to them" more. Belos there were just amazing. If he only had a better fight here I would love this episode as much or more than “Thanks to them”. But that was still a phenomenal and satisfying finale and I'm certainly gonna rewatch it 20 times! Edited April 9 by alder24 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Starship Ranger Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 ITS STILL NOT ON YOUTUBE IN AUSTRALIA AND ALL THE PBS KIDS AND DISNEY NOW WEBSITES N STUFF “DON’T SUPPORT VIDEOS OUTSIDE THE US REGION” :(( 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szeth's Facepalm Posted April 10 Author Report Share Posted April 10 Cinnamon we will suffer together ;-; My mom got mad at me so now i will probably have to wait even longer ;-; I'm gonna end up crying before i even watch it ;-; 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Starship Ranger Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 Our solidarity will get us through We can do it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szeth's Facepalm Posted April 10 Author Report Share Posted April 10 Just now, Cinnamon said: Our solidarity will get us through We can do it! *weakly raises fist into air* Yes We can do it *cri* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Starship Ranger Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 Just now, Szeth's Facepalm said: *cri* *sob* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Pom Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 Well, just watched the episode myself. Spoilered for obvious reasons. Spoiler Ngl, I was just a tiny little bit disappointed with the roles of Belos and the Collector. I was so storming excited when they revealed the Collector as the villain. Hyper powerful eldritch god with the mind of a child is such a good concept for a villain. But nope, it was Belos again. He also became a bit boring in season 3. I feel he was a lot greyer before, but they turned him fully stereotypically evil at the end so there was a villain to kill. His last scene was almost cool too but sigh, they had to go for the "humiliating the villain in his last moments" cliché. The Collector was great though, I love how he learns about human emotions. I just wish he had been the villain in full and that realization had happened as the climax. We got closure for almost every character and it was a good one. I'm honestly impressed they managed that in under 3 hours. Although, uhhh does anyone remember what happened to Amity's mom? She didn't appear at all but maybe she died on episode 2 and I forgot? I thought it was a shame because she was an interesting character and you can sort of see she cared about her family, but along the way those feelings got mixed up with her greed, and everything went to hell. It would have been nice to explore that more instead of just, kicking her out of the show. Man, that last revelation about glyphs was good. Sort of FMAish. Like sure, you can master magic theory, but where do you think all that energy is coming from? And there it was. I loved Papa Titan, during the 2 or so minutes he was on screen he was everything I could want from King's father. Gosh, I want more of his character. Animation was great. The corruption slowly crawling around when Belos possessed the Titan looked pretty sick. Ending was maybe too conveniently happy but you'll never see me complaining about something like that. Overall I'm slightly disappointed with how the season developed, but also really impressed the managed to make something good at all with so little time, and happy with the end result. Good show, clap clap. Once again I'm out of animated fantasy for kids. Maybe I'll check out Amphibia next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DramaQueen Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 12 minutes ago, Eluvianii said: Well, just watched the episode myself. Spoilered for obvious reasons. Hide contents Ngl, I was just a tiny little bit disappointed with the roles of Belos and the Collector. I was so storming excited when they revealed the Collector as the villain. Hyper powerful eldritch god with the mind of a child is such a good concept for a villain. But nope, it was Belos again. He also became a bit boring in season 3. I feel he was a lot greyer before, but they turned him fully stereotypically evil at the end so there was a villain to kill. His last scene was almost cool too but sigh, they had to go for the "humiliating the villain in his last moments" cliché. The Collector was great though, I love how he learns about human emotions. I just wish he had been the villain in full and that realization had happened as the climax. We got closure for almost every character and it was a good one. I'm honestly impressed they managed that in under 3 hours. Although, uhhh does anyone remember what happened to Amity's mom? She didn't appear at all but maybe she died on episode 2 and I forgot? I thought it was a shame because she was an interesting character and you can sort of see she cared about her family, but along the way those feelings got mixed up with her greed, and everything went to hell. It would have been nice to explore that more instead of just, kicking her out of the show. Man, that last revelation about glyphs was good. Sort of FMAish. Like sure, you can master magic theory, but where do you think all that energy is coming from? And there it was. I loved Papa Titan, during the 2 or so minutes he was on screen he was everything I could want from King's father. Gosh, I want more of his character. Animation was great. The corruption slowly crawling around when Belos possessed the Titan looked pretty sick. Ending was maybe too conveniently happy but you'll never see me complaining about something like that. Overall I'm slightly disappointed with how the season developed, but also really impressed the managed to make something good at all with so little time, and happy with the end result. Good show, clap clap. Once again I'm out of animated fantasy for kids. Maybe I'll check out Amphibia next. Spoiler Amity's mom was there for a second during the reunions, she was just ignored while Amity hugged her dad. I'm a fair amount through Amphibia, and I do highly recommend it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Pom Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 26 minutes ago, DramaQueen said: Reveal hidden contents Amity's mom was there for a second during the reunions, she was just ignored while Amity hugged her dad. I'm a fair amount through Amphibia, and I do highly recommend it. Spoiler Ohhhh I see. Just knowing that makes it better, thanks. Things are open to change. Though I guess things with the dad are over, I see we got a last minute ship there. Hope it goes well. And thanks, I'll take that as another reason to watch it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 5 hours ago, Eluvianii said: Well, just watched the episode myself. Spoilered for obvious reasons. Hide contents Ngl, I was just a tiny little bit disappointed with the roles of Belos and the Collector. I was so storming excited when they revealed the Collector as the villain. Hyper powerful eldritch god with the mind of a child is such a good concept for a villain. But nope, it was Belos again. He also became a bit boring in season 3. I feel he was a lot greyer before, but they turned him fully stereotypically evil at the end so there was a villain to kill. His last scene was almost cool too but sigh, they had to go for the "humiliating the villain in his last moments" cliché. The Collector was great though, I love how he learns about human emotions. I just wish he had been the villain in full and that realization had happened as the climax. We got closure for almost every character and it was a good one. I'm honestly impressed they managed that in under 3 hours. Although, uhhh does anyone remember what happened to Amity's mom? She didn't appear at all but maybe she died on episode 2 and I forgot? I thought it was a shame because she was an interesting character and you can sort of see she cared about her family, but along the way those feelings got mixed up with her greed, and everything went to hell. It would have been nice to explore that more instead of just, kicking her out of the show. Man, that last revelation about glyphs was good. Sort of FMAish. Like sure, you can master magic theory, but where do you think all that energy is coming from? And there it was. I loved Papa Titan, during the 2 or so minutes he was on screen he was everything I could want from King's father. Gosh, I want more of his character. Animation was great. The corruption slowly crawling around when Belos possessed the Titan looked pretty sick. Ending was maybe too conveniently happy but you'll never see me complaining about something like that. Overall I'm slightly disappointed with how the season developed, but also really impressed the managed to make something good at all with so little time, and happy with the end result. Good show, clap clap. Once again I'm out of animated fantasy for kids. Maybe I'll check out Amphibia next. Spoilers: Spoiler I knew Collector won't be the final villain, but as you said, I did expect him to play that role for a little longer, at least to the climax. Instead we got a montage (there were too many montages in this episode) of him sadly playing with Luz and co. and then he went into the corner and cried. The previous episode was a cliffhanger, giving us the expectations that Collector will be a tough opponent to redeem, and here all of this got resolved in like 5 minutes. I knew he wanted to be a kid and have friends, I knew they would show him what it means, I wanted this too, but that was too fast. It just happened, and that's the end of the Collector's villain story. With Belos, I can only agree that his last moment was too cliche. He would be a far better final villain if they made him do something more than grow moss everywhere. I still like him as a villain, and think he was a good choice for an ending fight, but they could do better with him. Oh right, I forgot about Amity's mother (when did she care about her family at all?). The whole part in the Collector's castle with Amity and others was there just for us, to show us they're ok and still in the show, because except for the sake of Collector's redemption, they didn't play any role in the finale at all. Yeah, I wish we got more of the King's dad on screen. He was good. Animations and visuals were stunning, they made every scene look beautiful and every movement was dynamic. The quality of the Owl House animations was always great. I think most of the problems with this season came from Disney and early cancellation of the show. We could have full 20 episodes of the third season, giving us proper time on the Earth, more time for the finale and characters closure, and more time for Collector to be a villain (like a full episode of Collector playing games with Luz, Eda and King instead of the montage), and for Belos to be a threatening opponent that actually do something more as the Titan. They did an amazing job fitting everything in 3 episodes, all character arcs were finished and resolved, giving us the glips of the future of the Boiling Isles, and showing us that King has his own glyphs. I'm amazed and impressed how they managed to create such a great and satisfying final season with only 3 episodes. They did a great job. But I probably never stop wondering what if (likely we wouldn't get Collector, as the idea of Collector came as a result of the cancellation, so I'm not so sure if I want to sacrifice him for longer season 3 ). I'm missing the Boiling Isles already, and it's sad that we will likely never get anything else from this world. But it was an amazing journey with greatly written conclusion. Amphibia is a must watch! It's amazing, it's a sister show of the Owl House, developed as well by the people who worked on the Gravity Falls (you will see the similarities at some point). It's really good. I can as well recommend other shows like the Dragon Prince, Infinity Train (canceled but a good one) or Murder Drones from Glitch on YT (so good, maybe not for kids but not that much, only a bit violent). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Witless Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 Amphibia ended on a weird note for me, I definitely didn't like season 3 as much as the other seasons, but I still liked it. Okay. Owl house thoughts Spoiler Wow, the finale hit so hard. I though it was a really good strong ending, albeit a bit rushed, but I can forgive that because they had to condense it so much. The part where Luz flew in front of the collector to protect them hit me so hard. I was so happy that we finally got to see the titan himself! that was so cool! and the way that Luz got titan powers was just amazing. I loved it so much! I think it was already said before, I like the thing how Luz's magic was connected to the titan. It added a lot to the overall feel that it wasn't the end, merely a new beginning. I love how they made the collector not be the main villain. I thought that worked out really nicely because they are a child after all. I love how by the end he was able to really understand friendship. Belos was a very good villain in the end, I really liked how he went through on his plans from the beginning and didn't really change his character all that much other than being more desperate towards the end, I just feel like Belos isn't the kind of villain who needs to evolve to be a good villain. Another thing I loved that was a bit smaller was the fact that many of the characters had permanent scars because of their fight against Belos, and the isles were changed forever. I think it enhances the ending because when they are saying goodbye in the final shot, you can still see those scars, and it shows how far these characters have come since we first met them. It's also kind of saying that change can be for the better. I am pretty much out of coherent thoughts now, but I love the Owl House and I am sad to see it go, but they did good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Pom Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 18 hours ago, alder24 said: Spoilers: Reveal hidden contents I knew Collector won't be the final villain, but as you said, I did expect him to play that role for a little longer, at least to the climax. Instead we got a montage (there were too many montages in this episode) of him sadly playing with Luz and co. and then he went into the corner and cried. The previous episode was a cliffhanger, giving us the expectations that Collector will be a tough opponent to redeem, and here all of this got resolved in like 5 minutes. I knew he wanted to be a kid and have friends, I knew they would show him what it means, I wanted this too, but that was too fast. It just happened, and that's the end of the Collector's villain story. With Belos, I can only agree that his last moment was too cliche. He would be a far better final villain if they made him do something more than grow moss everywhere. I still like him as a villain, and think he was a good choice for an ending fight, but they could do better with him. Oh right, I forgot about Amity's mother (when did she care about her family at all?). The whole part in the Collector's castle with Amity and others was there just for us, to show us they're ok and still in the show, because except for the sake of Collector's redemption, they didn't play any role in the finale at all. Yeah, I wish we got more of the King's dad on screen. He was good. Animations and visuals were stunning, they made every scene look beautiful and every movement was dynamic. The quality of the Owl House animations was always great. I think most of the problems with this season came from Disney and early cancellation of the show. We could have full 20 episodes of the third season, giving us proper time on the Earth, more time for the finale and characters closure, and more time for Collector to be a villain (like a full episode of Collector playing games with Luz, Eda and King instead of the montage), and for Belos to be a threatening opponent that actually do something more as the Titan. They did an amazing job fitting everything in 3 episodes, all character arcs were finished and resolved, giving us the glips of the future of the Boiling Isles, and showing us that King has his own glyphs. I'm amazed and impressed how they managed to create such a great and satisfying final season with only 3 episodes. They did a great job. But I probably never stop wondering what if (likely we wouldn't get Collector, as the idea of Collector came as a result of the cancellation, so I'm not so sure if I want to sacrifice him for longer season 3 ). I'm missing the Boiling Isles already, and it's sad that we will likely never get anything else from this world. But it was an amazing journey with greatly written conclusion. Amphibia is a must watch! It's amazing, it's a sister show of the Owl House, developed as well by the people who worked on the Gravity Falls (you will see the similarities at some point). It's really good. I can as well recommend other shows like the Dragon Prince, Infinity Train (canceled but a good one) or Murder Drones from Glitch on YT (so good, maybe not for kids but not that much, only a bit violent). Spoiler Heh, I did think it was funny how early on we got an episode about montages, and from there on they became a common thing. And speaking of solving things in five minutes, that is another thing I noticed about the episode. There was conflict, but none of it lasted long enough to be thought of as a conflict. The beginning of the episode with the "facing your fears" sequence. Not only does Luz figure out what's happening immediately, she's also given the tool to solve the issue the very moment she does. Then later on when she dies, I mean sure, it's easy enough to predict she'll come back, but you don't even get the chance to be uncertain about it, because the exact second her death scene is over, she's already coming back. Again, can't really blame the production team since their hand was basically forced, but I do think maybe they tried to cram too much into this episode. For Belos, while I disliked his overall arc during season 3, I gotta admit I liked his last words. Dude was adamant that witches were bad and humans were good. He's wrong of course but when a villain is so determined to stay true to his ideals until the bitter end, I can only respect him. Though again, that is undermined by the protagonists mocking him and treating his death as "stress relief" immediately after. That was kinda creepy actually. About Amity's mom, well that was just my perception of her. Whenever she was prompted about her reasons for, well, anything, she didn't hesitate for a moment before saying it was for her family. That kinda came off as fake for obvious reasons but, how do I put this, I kinda believe her. We never find out about any other motives or hidden goals of hers. It's always "we gotta be wealthy so our family can thrive". What I believe is that she was genuine in her love for her family when she founded the company, treating the money as simply a means to give her family a better future. But at some point the means became the goal and that's when she started going the wrong way. Suddenly earning money was not a way to give her family a better future but the goal itself. However she didn't realize that so when challenged about it, she was annoyed, as she was convinced that she was doing what was best for her family, and probably couldn't understand how they thought any different. So I was disappointed that that is hinted at but never actually explored. Of course, there's not nearly enough character moments to defend that confidently and, again, it's just my perception of her. I would find it very hard to believe that she was simply selfish and greedy, it would be a bit of a waste. Overall I agree, what they managed with 3 episodes is impressive. Especially the first one, easily my favorite in the series, but well, it's hard not to wonder, "what if...?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 (edited) 6 hours ago, Eluvianii said: Hide contents Heh, I did think it was funny how early on we got an episode about montages, and from there on they became a common thing. And speaking of solving things in five minutes, that is another thing I noticed about the episode. There was conflict, but none of it lasted long enough to be thought of as a conflict. The beginning of the episode with the "facing your fears" sequence. Not only does Luz figure out what's happening immediately, she's also given the tool to solve the issue the very moment she does. Then later on when she dies, I mean sure, it's easy enough to predict she'll come back, but you don't even get the chance to be uncertain about it, because the exact second her death scene is over, she's already coming back. Again, can't really blame the production team since their hand was basically forced, but I do think maybe they tried to cram too much into this episode. For Belos, while I disliked his overall arc during season 3, I gotta admit I liked his last words. Dude was adamant that witches were bad and humans were good. He's wrong of course but when a villain is so determined to stay true to his ideals until the bitter end, I can only respect him. Though again, that is undermined by the protagonists mocking him and treating his death as "stress relief" immediately after. That was kinda creepy actually. About Amity's mom, well that was just my perception of her. Whenever she was prompted about her reasons for, well, anything, she didn't hesitate for a moment before saying it was for her family. That kinda came off as fake for obvious reasons but, how do I put this, I kinda believe her. We never find out about any other motives or hidden goals of hers. It's always "we gotta be wealthy so our family can thrive". What I believe is that she was genuine in her love for her family when she founded the company, treating the money as simply a means to give her family a better future. But at some point the means became the goal and that's when she started going the wrong way. Suddenly earning money was not a way to give her family a better future but the goal itself. However she didn't realize that so when challenged about it, she was annoyed, as she was convinced that she was doing what was best for her family, and probably couldn't understand how they thought any different. So I was disappointed that that is hinted at but never actually explored. Of course, there's not nearly enough character moments to defend that confidently and, again, it's just my perception of her. I would find it very hard to believe that she was simply selfish and greedy, it would be a bit of a waste. Overall I agree, what they managed with 3 episodes is impressive. Especially the first one, easily my favorite in the series, but well, it's hard not to wonder, "what if...?" Spoiler Oh yeah, I fully agree on conflict not lasting for long enough. Too much was happening for a single conflict to last longer which is a shame. For me the whole beginig with traumatic nightmares would be cut out, as all of them already resolved those issues and moved on - because we started with it I expected those issues would return at climax, but that was just a red hearing. The dream sequence play no role, except to show the way to break Collector's curse (but not like this was important in any way, as Amity and crew thread in the palace was again useless - this whole thing could simply be cut away, and at the end Collector could still go save the palace, and they themself could just remove the curse, which could work better for Collector, and give more time for other seqences. On the other hand getting rid of Amity, Hunter and Camilla for the entire finalle would be a bad thing as well. Luz death should have lasted longer, light flying across the Boiling Isles didn't make it for me, or at least Eda and King's reaction to it should be a bit more emotional, I kind of can't stop comparing it to other animated shows: GF: Spoiler Stan's sacrifice was very impactful for characters, and despite it lasting for a short time, the focus was primarily on characters' reaction to it, which made it so much more emotional. Star vs the Forces of Evil: Spoiler Star's "death", during Toffee full return, was just a masterpiece. Fully focused on reactions, her mother and Marco's reactions were full of tears, which made it so much more powerful. Even if it lasted just for a minute or two, emotional reactions made it so much more impactful. That's likely my favorite scene in the entire series (Toffee was a good villain, and he made it even better). I don't see Odalia as having even a bit of love for her family. She was using them all the times, at best as a PR stunt for her company, and that's what was always the most important to her - business and power, not family. Her spitting up with her Alador and kids would be a finishing blow to her business and huge PR disaster - she can't do abominations on her own, and Alador can easily continue his company without her. Odalia saying "it's for the family" didn't came from her heart, it was only because they were running a family business, and she only cared for that business, not for the family. Edit: Another scene that could have lasted longer should be Eda and Raine reunion, just a bit, when they finally reunited I thought they would start playing their song together which would corrupt Belos and allow Luz to defeat him. I think it could work very well. Don't get me wrong, I still love the finale, it's 9/10, but I think there are some little ways to improve it even more. 19 hours ago, Wittles of Shinovar said: Okay. Owl house thoughts Hide contents Wow, the finale hit so hard. I though it was a really good strong ending, albeit a bit rushed, but I can forgive that because they had to condense it so much. The part where Luz flew in front of the collector to protect them hit me so hard. I was so happy that we finally got to see the titan himself! that was so cool! and the way that Luz got titan powers was just amazing. I loved it so much! I think it was already said before, I like the thing how Luz's magic was connected to the titan. It added a lot to the overall feel that it wasn't the end, merely a new beginning. I love how they made the collector not be the main villain. I thought that worked out really nicely because they are a child after all. I love how by the end he was able to really understand friendship. Belos was a very good villain in the end, I really liked how he went through on his plans from the beginning and didn't really change his character all that much other than being more desperate towards the end, I just feel like Belos isn't the kind of villain who needs to evolve to be a good villain. Another thing I loved that was a bit smaller was the fact that many of the characters had permanent scars because of their fight against Belos, and the isles were changed forever. I think it enhances the ending because when they are saying goodbye in the final shot, you can still see those scars, and it shows how far these characters have come since we first met them. It's also kind of saying that change can be for the better. I am pretty much out of coherent thoughts now, but I love the Owl House and I am sad to see it go, but they did good Spoiler I also like that Belos didn't change, we just uncovered more and more of what he really was and that worked so well. I didn't notice characters having scars (except for a few already established ones with scars) at the end scene, I have to focus on this next time when I will be watching it. It's good to have something more to look for during rewatch. The titan's hand hanging over the Boiling Isles is a cool visual, always reminding people what happened here. Edited April 11 by alder24 added a one more point 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Witless Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 (edited) 5 hours ago, alder24 said: Reveal hidden contents Oh yeah, I fully agree on conflict not lasting for long enough. Too much was happening for a single conflict to last longer which is a shame. For me the whole beginig with traumatic nightmares would be cut out, as all of them already resolved those issues and moved on - because we started with it I expected those issues would return at climax, but that was just a red hearing. The dream sequence play no role, except to show the way to break Collector's curse (but not like this was important in any way, as Amity and crew thread in the palace was again useless - this whole thing could simply be cut away, and at the end Collector could still go save the palace, and they themself could just remove the curse, which could work better for Collector, and give more time for other seqences. On the other hand getting rid of Amity, Hunter and Camilla for the entire finalle would be a bad thing as well. Luz death should have lasted longer, light flying across the Boiling Isles didn't make it for me, or at least Eda and King's reaction to it should be a bit more emotional, I kind of can't stop comparing it to other animated shows: GF: Reveal hidden contents Stan's sacrifice was very impactful for characters, and despite it lasting for a short time, the focus was primarily on characters' reaction to it, which made it so much more emotional. Star vs the Forces of Evil: Reveal hidden contents Star's "death", during Toffee full return, was just a masterpiece. Fully focused on reactions, her mother and Marco's reactions were full of tears, which made it so much more powerful. Even if it lasted just for a minute or two, emotional reactions made it so much more impactful. That's likely my favorite scene in the entire series (Toffee was a good villain, and he made it even better). I don't see Odalia as having even a bit of love for her family. She was using them all the times, at best as a PR stunt for her company, and that's what was always the most important to her - business and power, not family. Her spitting up with her Alador and kids would be a finishing blow to her business and huge PR disaster - she can't do abominations on her own, and Alador can easily continue his company without her. Odalia saying "it's for the family" didn't came from her heart, it was only because they were running a family business, and she only cared for that business, not for the family. Edit: Another scene that could have lasted longer should be Eda and Raine reunion, just a bit, when they finally reunited I thought they would start playing their song together which would corrupt Belos and allow Luz to defeat him. I think it could work very well. Don't get me wrong, I still love the finale, it's 9/10, but I think there are some little ways to improve it even more. I agree Spoiler Tofee was a very good villain and Star's death was done well. I think most of season 3 was just really rushed, but I kind of shoved my issues with that to the side because the Owl House crew were basically forced to speed things up Edit: I am now rewatching Owl House from the beginning and I just got hit with a rush of emotion Edited April 11 by Wittles of Shinovar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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