Underwater_Worldhopper he/him Posted May 8, 2023 Posted May 8, 2023 2 hours ago, alder24 said: That's right, she had the feeling of shame to begin with, Wax didn't fear death anymore, thus there is no emotion to be rioted. What are you talking about? It doesn't matter that you know you're being smoothed/rioted. This doesn't make you immune to emotional Allomancy. It's not about realization that you're being rioted, it's about realization that you don't feel that feeling at all - that's what happened to Wax. He faced death already, in that moment he just realized that he didn't need to fear it anymore, and the fear went away. Only after that, he realized that he was exposed to emotional Allomancy. Not before. It's about feelings. Marasi literally stated that she was feeling that her entire life "She’d lived with some of these fears for her entire life.". It's not only shame, it's also the feeling of worthlessness etc. Who knows what Entrone was feeling? Maybe he was ashamed that he failed Autonomy, that she didn't choose his plan, that she chose Telsin to be her Avatar, not him, that he failed her? You can't say that he didn't feel it if there is no PoV of his. The logic is internally inconsistent, Wax realizing that he shouldn't be afraid of death makes him entirely immune to the effects of the Allomancy, yet Marasi, having come to terms with her feelings long ago, can't. She did have the shame to begin with, but it was long gone by the time she gets Rioted, she says as much: Spoiler And it was nothing new. She’d felt it all before. Less powerfully, yes, but none of this was novel. She’d lived with some of these fears for her entire life. Others she'd pushed through during her professional years. It makes a lot more sense for Wax to be burning Copper there. His realization that he isn't actually afraid of death makes the Allomancy dissipate entirely, even though becoming aware that the emotion is artificial or inappropriate never makes Allomancy become ineffective any other time. As for Rioting creating emotions, let's just agree to disagree, the scenes could really be interpreted to provide proof for either interpretation. Entrone calls himself a god, and Kliss remains confident in the face of Allomancy, but Entrone gets Rioted with shame, and Kliss with fear. You could read that as emotions being created, or you could rationalize how and why the person could secretly be feeling the emotion the entire time. At this stage, there isn't enough decisive evidence for either one. Someone needs to ask Brandon, or we should just wait till more content regarding it is released.
alder24 Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 11 hours ago, Underwater_Worldhopper said: The logic is internally inconsistent, Wax realizing that he shouldn't be afraid of death makes him entirely immune to the effects of the Allomancy, yet Marasi, having come to terms with her feelings long ago, can't. She did have the shame to begin with, but it was long gone by the time she gets Rioted, she says as much: That's again, not it. Wax died. He experienced death, and chose to come back. Not only that, but he also had a heartfelt conversation with Harmony, he came to terms with Lessie loss, he accepted that living a life is not a responsibility he has, it's just another adventure. And he chose to live. He knows what awaits him after death - a different kind of adventure, because Harmony showed it to him. He just wasn't afraid of death anymore. Marasi is different. In the very quote you posted (appearing for the 3rd time on this topic) she said that she'd lived her entire life with those fears and shame. He was experiencing them every day of her life - including that day. That's why, when rioted, she was able to handle it, because she knows what to do, how to not get overwhelmed by those feelings. She does it every day, and this time is no different. Effects of emotional Allomancy didn't disappear when rioted, she just knew how to live with those feelings. 12 hours ago, Underwater_Worldhopper said: It makes a lot more sense for Wax to be burning Copper there. It does, I admit it. But in my mind it would make more sense if it was worded like "he felt dread, suddenly it disappeared. He doesn't need to feel it, he faced death already." - disappearance of feeling comes before the realization that he doesn't need to fear it anymore - that would be a more compelling argument for the use of copper. But it's the opposite and I'm saying that it's equally as likely that he just didn't have the feeling of fear of death in the first place, which he realized when rioted. 12 hours ago, Underwater_Worldhopper said: His realization that he isn't actually afraid of death makes the Allomancy dissipate entirely, even though becoming aware that the emotion is artificial or inappropriate never makes Allomancy become ineffective any other time. As for Rioting creating emotions, let's just agree to disagree, the scenes could really be interpreted to provide proof for either interpretation. Again, it's not about realizing that the feeling is artificial, it's about not feeling that at all. In all other cases, when rioted or soothe, it affected only feelings that already existed in that person. In the case of Wax, he didn't fear death anymore, which he realized at that moment. That's why it disappeared. 12 hours ago, Underwater_Worldhopper said: Someone needs to ask Brandon, or we should just wait till more content regarding it is released. I agree. I think there is no further need to discuss it anymore, we're repeating the same arguments over and over again, with no mutual understanding. And we will be doing this again if we continue. There are no compelling evidence that supports our opposite stands, therefore we won’t convince each other by speculation and interpretation of the same quotes in different ways. 1
Walter The Moral Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 This is a bit off topic, but to answer the question that this thread is about, I would probably choose A-Bendalloy and F-Bronze. For the allomancy, who wouldn't want more time for things? For the Feruchemy, I don't just want to be able to stay up for long periods of time, I would also love to be able to choose when to fall asleep, as I have trouble falling asleep a lot of the time. F-Copper may also be quite good, as being able to store memories could be very powerful. You could also use it to store memories in order to forget, so you could watch/read something for a second time and still be surprised. 2
alder24 Posted May 9, 2023 Posted May 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Walter The Moral said: This is a bit off topic, but to answer the question that this thread is about, I would probably choose A-Bendalloy and F-Bronze. That's very on topic! 8 minutes ago, Walter The Moral said: You could also use it to store memories in order to forget, so you could watch/read something for a second time and still be surprised. Wait, are you saying that I can watch LOTR for the first time again?? That's the use of F-copper that I've never considered. It's amazing!
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