One who Breaths and Reads she/her Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 In a previous question, a person asked whether or not a person could Awaken a piece of steak and then stab it with Hemalurgy to produce a proto-Human. In response Brandon replied that was plausable but soulcasting would be better. Using this concept I thought that perhaps, using soulcasting to carve or create a body then stabbing it with a Hemalurgic spike you could perhaps create some form of clone. But then I considered the possibilities and then realized how insane you could get with concepts such as this and how you could possibly make entire new species if done well enough. So reply and say your crazy ideas with all of this
Sky Breaker Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 I’ve also been considering this and I think I have the perfect process 1) be a fullborn (a feruchemist might work to but it would be less viable) 2) buy/extort/blackmail some breaths 3) compound the breath into more breath ( if that isn’t how it works then just repeat step 2 as needed) 4) make hundreds of bands of mourning f 5) make an army of lifeless and give them four commands 1) tap everything 2) look at the memories and act like the person they belong to 3) make sure to compound so it doesn’t get empty 4) come to me if they ever empty second method be a steel compounder or know a sympathetic sleepless 1) grab an atium spike and stack many hordlings killing them all with one spike and steal there ability to create a hivemind or start a horde 2)stab yourself in the heart with the spike and start making a hord
alder24 Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 WoB you mentioned: Spoiler Anton Nielsen Could you create a proto-human using Awakening, steak, and Hemalurgy? Brandon Sanderson Uh, yes. That would work. I mean, you could go for the full triumvirate and have Soulcasting in there too. You don't need need a steak you need... Go with Soulcasting. Soulcasting—get some Awakening, staple on a soul. This is actually—of the weird things that the fans come up with, this is one of the most reasonable that could be pulled off. You could do that with minimal knowledge of all three magics, I should say. Sucette Is it a better proto human if the steak is well done or medium rare? Brandon Sanderson I think the more rare the better, but I think Soulcasting is the way to go. YouTube Spoiler Stream 3 (Dec. 16, 2021) You want to clone yourself, so there would be two perfect copies of you? Not just create a sentient being with the use of invested arts (Nightblood)? Well that's more complicated. Far more. So first let's think of a way to create sentient entities: Awakening - type 4 entities like Nightblood. Awakening - type 2 entities, Lifeless - they are self-aware. Giving them unsealed metalminds might cause them to stop being Lifeless Spoiler Brandon Sanderson Lightsong Sees the Lifeless and Takes Command of Them They keep them in the dark. This is a bad idea. They don't realize it, but the Lifeless are far more aware than everyone assumes. Clod in this book is a foreshadowing of that, and there won't be much more about it in the rest of the novel. It's one of the focus points for the sequel, if I ever write it. (Which will actually have a Lifeless as a viewpoint character, if I can find a way to swing it.) Warbreaker Annotations (March 21, 2011) Spoiler AndyGranny If you used a Lifeless body, would a Lifeless be able to access an untapped metalmind... Brandon Sanderson An unkeyed type of metalmind? AndyGranny Thank you, I could not think of that word. Would they be able to access an unkeyed metalmind if the intent when the Lifeless was created, if the intent was that they could... Brandon Sanderson Right, I see what you're getting at. Yes, they could. As they could access and use any tool that is appropriate for what they're Commanded to do, they could indeed access a metalmind in the same way. In fact, doing so may, depending on the metalmind, be dangerous for keeping your Lifeless a Lifeless. JordanCon 2021 (July 17, 2021) Soulstamping? Just put a lot of investiture into something until it becomes self-aware/sentient. That's all I can think of now. Now how to make sentient object that is a perfect copy of you, so we need matching Identity and a body, and possibly few matching connections. This is going to be much harder. I was thinking about using aluminumminds with your identity stored there, but it wouldn't work. For example, Awakening an aluminumminds filled with your identity won't create a sentient object that has your identity and personality: Spoiler Questioner Say you have a Feruchemist who pours Identity into a metalmind. Then subsequently loses that mind, and then is later Awakened? Would that mind retain the personality of-- *Everyone laughs, Scottish man says "it's 11 o'clock at night, give the man a break!"* Brandon Sanderson Okay, so they store Identity—which I haven't told you what it does-- Questioner Yep. We don't know. Brandon Sanderson And then you Awaken it, and then you want to know if it has the personality of the person? Questioner Yeah, or if it's able to communicate in any way. Brandon Sanderson Um, if-- how much Awakened is it? Is it Nightblood-level Awakened? Or is it just regular Awakened? Questioner Sure let's say Nightblood-level. Brandon Sanderson Nightblood-level. So it's-- so the Investiture has been granted sapience. And it's got Investiture from somebody else stuffed in it. I can foresee a scenario where that has an influence, but it's not going to be the personality of the person who stuffed it in. I can see some circumstances where they can-- where the Investiture of the object can make use of that in some way, but... Oh boy, that was a weird one. Shadows of Self Lansing signing (Oct. 13, 2015) So hemalurgy won't work here as well, as hemalurgy takes only a part of your identity, and it will have less identity than an aluminummind. Lifeless with access to an unsealed aluminummind? No, Lifeless already has its own identity, it will interfere. But he can store it, and then tap your. Then use unsealed goldmind to heal? That can result in something fully sentient with your identity, but I doubt it would visually change a body. Still he can get full sentience and be somewhat similar in Identity and personality to you (per 3rd WoB). So it's a possibility for sure. (huh, would Lifeless storing its Identity stoped being a Lifeless and become dead again? His identity comes from Breath, so storing it might case his some problems) Soulcasting can make a body like you have. Or Forgery (however Forged body will resist Awakening) Spoiler Questioner Can Soulforged bones be Awakened? Brandon Sanderson Can Soulforged bones be Awakened? So, Soulcast bones be awakened? Once the Soulcasting is done, it is no longer Invested, and it would act as the normal item. A Forged item will act as Invested, and will resist any manipulation. Differences between the magics. Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017) Forgery is likely the best way to create a copy of you. You can not only forge an object/body to be like yours, but create a Soulstamp that forges into you, with your Identity, Connections, spirit web and your memory. This is the best way I'm sure works. The body can be made with use of Soulcasting, then it has to be Awakened to become a Lifeless/type 4 and Soulstamp it. And this is the way the first WoB presented. But if you want to play a god and create a new sentient species, then Hemalurgy is your way to go, just look at what Rashek did. Play with identity spikes and you might create something interesting, but you will have to kill a lot of people. 2
Quantus he/him Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 From the WOB, there's seems to be three basic elements involved: Make a Body, Make a Soul, Staple them Together. Soulcasting will make a healthy (if empty) body, possibly even Alive my scientific/medical standards, Awakening is optimized to turn Investiture into a functional Spiritweb/Soul, and the Hemalurgy will staple the two together. Though I think the Hemalurgy is only really needed if you are trying to make a copy of an existing person; if you just want it to be Alive, basic Awakening on a prepared body (soulcast or otherwise) should be enough. It's just likely not possible with a Single Breath's worth of Investiture as can be used with Lifeless (since they barely have enough investiture for sentience. Correlary Question: Can you even spike a dead thing? Or does the interaction change as it does with Shardblades.
alder24 Posted March 9, 2023 Posted March 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Quantus said: Correlary Question: Can you even spike a dead thing? Or does the interaction change as it does with Shardblades. I think no, because it doesn't have a soul or binding points. Limb cut off by a Shardblade doesn't have binding points. Spoiler Kurkistan Does a limb that has been "severed" by a Shardblade have any Hemalurgic bindpoints? If the same limb was then cut off more conventionally, would a Bloodmaker ferring be able to grow it back? Brandon Sanderson A severed Shardblade limb needs repair to the soul before it would function again. A Bloodmaker would be able to heal it without needing to grow it back. /r/fantasy AMA 2013 (April 18, 2013)
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