Dawnshard Posted November 19, 2022 Posted November 19, 2022 So this is my big Stormlight 5 theory I have been working on. I told a piece of it at Dragonsteel Con at the stormlight 5 theorizing panel. So I think Taravangian will chose Gavinor to be his champion. When Elhokhar's child was being held in the palace, he was tormented to allow cracks into his spirtweb so the forces of odium could manipulate him. Dalinar faced with murdering his nephew's son or losing the duel will not kill the child. Quote I hold the suckling child in my hands, a knife at his throat, and know that all who live wish me to let the blade slip. Spill its blood upon the ground, over my hands, and with it gain us further breath to draw. ” —Collected on Shashanan 1173, 23 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed youth of sixteen years. Sample is of particular note This deathrattle refers to this. However, Dalinar will die as Gavinor stabs him and is revealed to be Gavilar's Cognitive Shadow. Gavilar did not die when he was assassinated. He became a Cognitive Shadow like Thaidakar. Dalinar will uphold his oath and serve Odium. Unfortunately Dalinar will by the end of Stormlight 5, become the shard Honor. As the Shard Honor, he Must keep his promises and so the Shard will work with Odium to bring War on the Cosmere. Gavilar and Dalinar will work together. The back 5 stormlight books will focus on 2 sets of 2 brothers. Marsh and kelsier vs. Dalinar and Gavilar. Scandrial vs. Roshar. Last thought, I believe that Nightblood, which is the Dawnshard Destroy, will be used in the final confrontation to destroy Sazed and Harmony. 2
The_Milkgod Posted November 19, 2022 Posted November 19, 2022 I’ve heard a similar theory on YouTube that being Gavinor becoming the champion. But how did you reach to your conclusions with Gavilar coming back and Dalinar taking up honors shard?
Dawnshard Posted November 19, 2022 Author Posted November 19, 2022 I thought about how Brandon foreshadows. I figured he would want an ending to Stormlight 5 kind of like Rhythm of War. An interesting twist with a scary ending. Then I noticed he likes symmetry in his stories. He talked about this on Lost Metal at Dragonsteel. Alloy of Law is paired with the Lost Metal and Shadows of Self is paired with Bands of Mourning. So I figured the 2 pairs of brothers fighting would be great symmetry. But having Dalinar who is honorable be forced to work with Taravangian would be a cool twist. And to make it as scary as possible it would be the Shard Honor because Dalinar already made a deal with Odium. 1
The_Milkgod Posted November 19, 2022 Posted November 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dawnshard said: I thought about how Brandon foreshadows. I figured he would want an ending to Stormlight 5 kind of like Rhythm of War. An interesting twist with a scary ending. Then I noticed he likes symmetry in his stories. He talked about this on Lost Metal at Dragonsteel. Alloy of Law is paired with the Lost Metal and Shadows of Self is paired with Bands of Mourning. So I figured the 2 pairs of brothers fighting would be great symmetry. But having Dalinar who is honorable be forced to work with Taravangian would be a cool twist. And to make it as scary as possible it would be the Shard Honor because Dalinar already made a deal with Odium. Interesting. I don’t really know what else to add, I think it’s a interesting idea.
KaladinWorldsinger Posted November 20, 2022 Posted November 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Frustration said: It has to be a willing Champion. We know even children like shallan can become radiants. She even got till atleast 3rd ideal. I don't think the cosmere cares about minors and their consent laws. Intent is intent. Gavinor is old enough to want to fight moash and get revenge ie has enough brain capacity to choose to become the champion. He isn't a literal baby.
TheSurvivor00 Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 Isn’t Honor Splintered? So is anyone actually able to use that shard? I think the same on the Theory with Gavinor, that would be an interesting part, especially to see how Dalinar deals with it. Also how heavily invested was Gavilar? Because if he wasn’t heavily invested like Kelsier was he wouldn’t have long to get to a perpendicularity so that he would become a cognitive shadow. 1
Frustration Posted November 21, 2022 Posted November 21, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 11:51 PM, KaladinWorldsinger said: We know even children like shallan can become radiants. She even got till atleast 3rd ideal. I don't think the cosmere cares about minors and their consent laws. Intent is intent. Gavinor is old enough to want to fight moash and get revenge ie has enough brain capacity to choose to become the champion. He isn't a literal baby. I'm saying why would he willingly choose to kill his grandfather? 1
Dawnshard Posted December 15, 2022 Author Posted December 15, 2022 Because he is possessed by Gavilar. It is Gavilar who kills Dalinar, just inside the body of Gavinor. 2
Frustration Posted December 15, 2022 Posted December 15, 2022 9 hours ago, Dawnshard said: Because he is possessed by Gavilar. It is Gavilar who kills Dalinar, just inside the body of Gavinor. How though? Even assuming Gavilar somehow survived as a CS he lacks the ability to possess a human. 1
Ati16 he/him Posted December 18, 2022 Posted December 18, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 11:19 PM, Dawnshard said: This deathrattle refers to this. "The suckling child" seems to refer more to a baby and Gavinor doesn't exactly match that descrpition, but would Dalinar be capable to kill even a baby he doesn't know? I'll write more about this in a future post I'm planning to do.
bmcclure7 Posted December 19, 2022 Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/15/2022 at 10:56 AM, Ookla the Frustrated. said: How though? Even assuming Gavilar somehow survived as a CS he lacks the ability to possess a human. Fused can do it just get Gavinor to swallow a gem heart.
bmcclure7 Posted December 19, 2022 Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/18/2022 at 0:54 AM, Ati16 said: "The suckling child" seems to refer more to a baby and Gavinor doesn't exactly match that descrpition, but would Dalinar be capable to kill even a baby he doesn't know? I'll write more about this in a future post I'm planning to do. I pretty sure the turns specifically forbid him from choosing a baby.
Frustration Posted December 19, 2022 Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, bmcclure7 said: Fused can do it just get Gavinor to swallow a gem heart. That won't work. Singers have cognitive and spiritual openings that allow for this, and even then they have to be willing for the Fused to come in. Gavilnor has neither of those. Edited December 19, 2022 by Ookla the Frustrated.
bmcclure7 Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 16 hours ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: That won't work. Singers have cognitive and spiritual openings that allow for this, and even then they have to be willing for the Fused to come in. Gavilnor has neither of those. 1. It worked for the unmade 2. Might be if He was told this was the only way to get revenge. He could be deceived like venli. 1
bmcclure7 Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 On 12/18/2022 at 0:54 AM, Ati16 said: "The suckling child" seems to refer more to a baby and Gavinor doesn't exactly match that descrpition, but would Dalinar be capable to kill even a baby he doesn't know? I'll write more about this in a future post I'm planning to do. I actually have a crazy theory on this that I just posted in the fourms.
Frustration Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 8 hours ago, bmcclure7 said: 1. It worked for the unmade Are you referring to Yelig-nar? The gemstone wasn't necessary, it was just the way for Yelig-nar to get into the Physical realm.
bmcclure7 Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: Are you referring to Yelig-nar? The gemstone wasn't necessary, it was just the way for Yelig-nar to get into the Physical realm. I don't remember them every saying that. Is it wob or something? Edited December 20, 2022 by bmcclure7
Frustration Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said: I don't remember them every saying that. Is it wob or something? If the gemstone is required then it's a limitation of Yelig-nar specifically. Nergaoul could bond men without it.
bmcclure7 Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: If the gemstone is required then it's a limitation of Yelig-nar specifically. Nergaoul could bond men without it. Have we seen Nergaoul bond anyone?
Frustration Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 32 minutes ago, bmcclure7 said: Have we seen Nergaoul bond anyone? Amaram and his entire army at the end of OB. 1
bmcclure7 Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: Amaram and his entire army at the end of OB. No that was ordinary void spren.
Frustration Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 1 minute ago, bmcclure7 said: No that was ordinary void spren. What? No, it was very clear that a single spren bonded all of them, and very clear that that spren qas Nergaoul. OB 1092.
bmcclure7 Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ookla the Frustrated. said: What? No, it was very clear that a single spren bonded all of them, and very clear that that spren qas Nergaoul. OB 1092. No kalden is very specific. He sees an army of void spren. The minute that amorams army's eyes start glowing red All those void Spren vanish into the physical realm. Spren are not Aethers. Brandon Sanderson has made it very clear wobs that the ability to bond multiple people is what separates Spren bonds with Aethers bonds. Edited December 21, 2022 by bmcclure7
Frustration Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, bmcclure7 said: No kalden is very specific. He sees an army of void spren. The minute that amorams army's eyes start glowing red All those void Spren vanish into the physical realm. Spren are not Aethers. Brandon Sanderson has made it very clear wobs that the ability to bond multiple people is what separates Spren bonds with Aethers bonds. Then why is it that as soon as Nergaoul is bound Amarams army is released?
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