Velvet Posted November 16, 2022 Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) Ok so we all know that Lerasium has the ability to grant allomantic abilities, however in the end reference chart of Lost Metal it is also shown to be able to steal *all* abilities. Maybe I missed this before, but this seems like a very powerful ability, and seems like it will effect more then just allomancy, as allomatic powers are specifically labeled as allomantic abilities in the chart. Will continue to add as I find things. Edited November 16, 2022 by Velvet 1
Velvet Posted November 16, 2022 Author Posted November 16, 2022 This seems like it has potential to be one of Kelsier's goals, although I see that to be unlikely as he doesn't seem to want Lerasium for anything more then granting himself and others allomatic powers in his chat with Sazed. Atium also seems to have a unique hemalurgic ability to steal any *power* and this wording is specifically different then that of lerasium so I presume there is some difference here. P.S.: Just checked Bands of Mourning and it doesn't seem like there is mention of Atium/Lerasium hemalurgy? I may be wrong on this however.
Velvet Posted November 16, 2022 Author Posted November 16, 2022 So comparing the arc Arcanum to previous mistborn books and it has the extra section on Spikes and Compounding that I don't *think* any previous books have? This section talks about how hemalurgists cannot compound in modern times because modern souls are different then those of before Harmony, Marsh seems to think this is something to do with an imperfect balance in harmony? I do think that we could still see some characters compounding through hemalurgy however, as some big ones are older then these modern souls, notably Kelsier. 1
Velvet Posted November 16, 2022 Author Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) Last thing I can see for now at least from a brief glance is that there is a mention of Hemalurgy's impact of the cosmere as a whole, and while I think this could just be referring to compounding it could also be in reference to Chromium, Nicrosil, Aluminium, atium, lerasium and maybe duralumin. These all have effects on things that aren't just metalic arts, Destiny, investiture, (aluminum removing all powers, seems like it could be a way to temporarily remove someone's abilities? Wonder how this would interact with surges), connection/identity, Any *power* (atium), and All Abilites (Lerasium). Now that I think about the wording a bit more it seems like Atium would be a more specific version of power transfer through hemalurgy? Maybe taking one specific ability and Lerasium would take all of them. This could be why Sazed hid Lerasium from Kelsier and not Atium although that is likely just because Sazed doesn't want anyone getting there hands on full mistborn powers anymore, maybe he knows something more. Feel free to add any other ideas, will check them again tommorow morning! Edited November 16, 2022 by Velvet added last line 1
Proletariat Posted November 16, 2022 Posted November 16, 2022 My understanding is that when it mentions all abilities is that it's talking about all inherent abilities (like intellect, strength, resilience, senses etc.), as opposed to powers like feruchemy and allomancy which atium can take. God metals are also able to take more than ordinary metals when forming spikes, and given lerasium's origin it may well not lead to any decay in investiture. 3
Karger he/him Posted November 16, 2022 Posted November 16, 2022 40 minutes ago, Proletariat said: My understanding is that when it mentions all abilities is that it's talking about all inherent abilities (like intellect, strength, resilience, senses etc.), as opposed to powers like feruchemy and allomancy which atium can take. God metals are also able to take more than ordinary metals when forming spikes, and given lerasium's origin it may well not lead to any decay in investiture. Quote Questioner 1 What would happen if you used lerasium as a spike for Hemalurgy? Brandon Sanderson Oh lerasium as a spike for Hemalurgy? Um lerasium as a spike for Hemalurgy-- Questioner 1 Would it work or would it just not work? Brandon Sanderson No I mean it would work-- Questioner 1 If you were to place a lerasium spike would you transform into a full Mistborn as opposed to-- Questioner 2 Well it can also steal powers, not just grant them, right? Brandon Sanderson Um, right. The thing about it is you're trying to Invest something that is already very Invested, which always has weird effects. So while you could do it, it would be a gross waste of the potential. It's like using a nuclear bomb as a paperweight. It is functional but-- Questioner 1 Does that mean it would be hard, for example, to make Nightblood stick something? Because-- Brandon Sanderson Yes it would be very hard to make Nightblood stick to something. The amount of Investiture in Nightblood is-- Bystander Astronomical? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Larger than most things you've seen. So Pushing on Nightblood, really hard. Shadows of Self release party (Oct. 5, 2015)
Proletariat Posted November 16, 2022 Posted November 16, 2022 Yep! He also clarified here with this WoB: Quote Pagerunner The Hemalurgy table, you wrote down "atium steals any power, lerasium is all abilities, nicrosil is Investiture"; what's the difference between those three? Hemalurgic atium, lerasium, and nicrosil. What's powers, abilities, and Investiture? Brandon Sanderson People are Invested in ways that do not give them active powers. So for instance, everyone on Nalthis is Invested. Everyone in the cosmere is, really. You want to steal their Investiture, but they don't have a power. You're still ripping off a piece of their soul. So there is a distinction between the actual Investiture that's in a human being and a specific power that they have. So that distinction is pretty easy. You can also, with Hemalurgy, steal specific things. You can steal just general Investiture. You can steal, if you want--this is where the kandra Blessings come from. You can instead steal specific things that are not like stealing Allomancy. Stealing, for instance, someone's mental acuity. Pagerunner So abilities is like the half that's all the strength, speed, all that kind of stuff? Those are abilities, versus the Metallic Arts are all powers? Brandon Sanderson Yes. Pagerunner Then Investiture, is that offworld magics? Brandon Sanderson No, no, it's the raw power. Pagerunner Nicrosil is their soul? Brandon Sanderson Yes. A piece of their soul, essentially. Pagerunner So how would you go about stealing an offworld power? Brandon Sanderson It's going to depend. A Breath, you would steal with nicrosil. It's general Investiture, is what you would probably going call that. You could forcibly remove someone's Breath from them. The ability to be a Sand Master you would steal with the power ability. JordanCon 2021 (July 16, 2021) 3
ConfusedCow Posted November 18, 2022 Posted November 18, 2022 If you swallowed say three beads of lerasium and some duralumin and then you used a spike to burn the duralumin, what would happen?
JustQuestin2004 he/him Posted November 18, 2022 Posted November 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, ConfusedCow said: If you swallowed say three beads of lerasium and some duralumin and then you used a spike to burn the duralumin, what would happen? Here's a Wob: Spoiler Bithorp On the Coppermind there is this idea that if a natural Mistborn burned duralumin and then lerasium it would empower them to godly levels. Would this actually happen or would another effect happen. Brandon Sanderson That actually wouldn't work, but it is a clever idea. You'd still be stupidly powerful from the Beads but Duralumin wouldn't change that. It just compresses the power from Burning metals, it doesn't add to it.
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