Frustration Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Nameless said: Here you go: So they're not magically enhanced metals, they're metals made of Investiture that can be loosely grouped with regular metals. (Aside from the Investiture part). That's not the one I was thinking of but alright I will accept that this is one of those places we have conflicting info.
mathiau he/him Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 Ok, this is very interesting, but you guys do realise Oop was asking about hemalurgic aluminium, right?
NameIess Posted July 28, 2022 Author Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, mathiau said: Ok, this is very interesting, but you guys do realise Oop was asking about hemalurgic aluminium, right? Yeah, but Brandon didn't specify that it was hemalurgic silver that could possibly kill a spren.
mathiau he/him Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, Nameless said: Yeah, but Brandon didn't specify that it was hemalurgic silver that could possibly kill a spren. Yes but that would be a very big case of Sanderson being deliberately misleading, too big for us to not at least try to explore the idea. Wasn't there a WoB that implied that you might be able to use an hemalurgic spike made out of a gemstone at some point?
NameIess Posted July 28, 2022 Author Posted July 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, mathiau said: Wasn't there a WoB that implied that you might be able to use an hemalurgic spike made out of a gemstone at some point? If there is, I'm not aware of it.
Yumiya Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 Ok, crazy theory time. Brace yourself. We have a WOB saying that if an allomancer were to try to burn silver, nothing would happen, no sickness, just nothing. Additionally that the allomancer would know if it was doing something. We also know if you try to burn non-allomantic metals or bad blends, it makes you sick. A bit of a contradiction there. What if the 16 metals are not all there are. Is silver actually doing something that the allomancer would not be able to detect? Then they stop, and don't try again, because they think it does nothing. I theorize that silver actually transforms mass into investiture, degrading itself in the process. Allomancers would not notice because the power they use comes from a connection to the metal to the shard. If bits of themselves are turning into investiture then the osmosis process of pulling investiture from preservation would be disrupted. The shades that encounter silver suffer from a similar plight, what little mass they do have is turned into investiture, and pulled completely out of the physical realm. Spren, who are basically pure investiture, instead get transformed into energy, possibly pulled into the spiritual realm.
stonehand Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 23 hours ago, Frustration said: Nor do they call it Cesium. Shardmetals are just regular earth metals that have become so infused with Investiture that they change. No regular metal can be a shardmetal, because that change is required. Interesting! Is that in a WoB somewhere? This is all I was able to find on the Coppermind about the creation of Shardmetals: "The God Metals are metals formed directly from a Shard and can be made from any Shard.[2] " Sorry, if there's a better way to quote the CM I don't know how to do it
cometaryorbit Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 18 hours ago, Nameless said: Yeah, but Brandon didn't specify that it was hemalurgic silver that could possibly kill a spren. My guess is that this is related to the Jezrien-killing dagger being sort-of Hemalurgy or at least the same cosmere principles (cosmere scholars in-world could disagree on whether it actually is Hemalurgy) and Raboniel's nickel-silver alloy. I don't think silver itself would harm Fused or Heralds the way it does Shades, merely by contact; but that it's useful in building Hemalurgy-style anti-Cognitive-Shadow weapons that would work. But it's not exactly Hemalurgy in the known Scadrial sense since silver isn't one of the sixteen metals or a god metal.
cometaryorbit Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 19 hours ago, Frustration said: That's not the one I was thinking of but alright I will accept that this is one of those places we have conflicting info. Yeah. Here's the WoB I was thinking of that implies "normal metals with Spiritual add-on": Quote Viper (paraphrased) So in cosmere, does physics work the same way in the Physical Realm as it does in our world? Specifically, particle physics; and are atoms made up of protons and neutrons and electrons, and is light photons, etc? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. Viper (paraphrased) So what's at the core of an atom of atium? Ate-teum? Also how do you pronounce it? At-teum? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes. And the matter is just normal matter, but it's wrapped in the Spiritual. The Spiritual DNA [or something] is what makes it magical. A Memory of Light Milford Signing (Feb. 16, 2013) At least the implications are conflicting. I can see one interpretation that kind-of could reconcile it (they're really high atomic number metals belonging to those periodic-table groups, that wouldn't be stable at all in our universe, but are stable in the cosmere due to Investiture/Spiritual properties). Here are two WoBs that suggest this will be explained in Era 3: classicalkhlennium A while ago I was talking with my friend about the presence of isotopes in Mistborn, and we thought surely the metals have ions and isotopes like they do in the real world, otherwise how else would they exist on an atomic level? We wondered if there were radioactive isotopes on Scadrial or even in the Cosmere as a whole, else they would never discover nuclear weaponry and fuels. None of the non-god metals in Mistborn have radioactive components, but that isn't to say that radioactive metals don't exist in the cosmere. Radioactive elements such as uranium (a necessary discovery for the 3rd and 4th Eras of Mistborn if they want to have long term fuel sources/weapons) and radium (necessary discovery in the field of medicine) seem necessary to the advancement of civilization. This also raises the question of where would the god metals, lerasium, atium, and harmonium, fit on the Periodic Table, and would all of their isotopes be stable, would they perhaps have radioactive isotopes that can somehow affect their Allomantic properties? Brandon Sanderson These are things we'll start answering in the modern day Mistborn novels, so RAFO for now. General Reddit 2019 (Nov. 18, 2019) Questioner You mentioned earlier that the Mistborn magic system is basically a Periodic Table of Elements. How would that affect the study of science in creating the whole Periodic Table? Brandon Sanderson If you can see what's happening on Scadrial, even in Era 2, they have a disproportionate amount of understanding and study of metallurgy, and they are not nearly as good at other things. So it's affected where they spend their focus and their research. Like, they don't have the radio, when they kind of should. They had to get it from some other places, the idea of that technology. So really, what's happening there is, I'm trying to keep it close ('cause Scadrial is an Earth analogue), but at the same time show what they're stronger at and what they're weaker at. It has influenced the way they approached science in some interesting ways. We won't find out a lot more until Era 3, where one of the characters is more interested in the science. Because the characters in Era 2 are mostly interested in shooting people and perhaps creating interesting mixed drinks. And finding lost coins. (Steris.) ICon 2019 (Oct. 15, 2019) 1
Frustration Posted July 30, 2022 Posted July 30, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 3:08 PM, cometaryorbit said: Yeah. Here's the WoB I was thinking of that implies "normal metals with Spiritual add-on": Yeah that's the one I was thinking of.
Cosmerenomics Enthusiest. Posted July 30, 2022 Posted July 30, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 10:54 AM, Yumiya said: Spren, who are basically pure investiture, instead get transformed into energy, possibly pulled into the spiritual realm. I thought it was decided that silver can't kill a Spren itself
NameIess Posted July 30, 2022 Author Posted July 30, 2022 Just now, LightweaverWannabe said: I thought it was decided that silver can't kill a Spren itself I don't think it was. We just decided that it couldn't kill a spren without some more complex method than stabbing them.
Cosmerenomics Enthusiest. Posted July 30, 2022 Posted July 30, 2022 Okay good to know I thought it would need more of a Cognitive presence to kill a Spren.
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