tinfoil hat theory: Nohadon took up honor

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

Okay so there's probably a lot of evidence that could disprove this. This is not a super well-thought-out or well-researched theory, this is a random thought i had the other day, that I wanted to share.

We've heard many times that, in the time leading up to his death, Honor changed. He went insane. And we've kinda assumed that that change is cause of the power of the shard overtaking Tanavast, or at least I have anyway. But what if it wasn't? What if it was cause Honor was a different person?

Why Nohadon? Well a couple reasons. Firstly, he's one of the few people we know who was alive long ago enough, and narratively I doubt Honor would have been taken up by some rando we never heard of. There seems to be something special about him, and his philosophy was clearly very significant to the knights radiant. Dalinar had that vision of him that didn't involve the stormfather, but couldn't have been just a dream or something since he revealed info to Dalinar that Dalinar didn't know. And I came across this quote recently, in a different thread on this forum, about how in Nohadon's days (which i think was before the days of the official Radiants, and bonds were more loose then, but i'm not completely sure on that timeline) about how he wanted spren to be more choosy about who they bonded. So it would make sense that he was the one to go on to create the radiants, to enforce this idea.

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“Our own natures destroy us,” the regal man said, voice soft, though his face was angry. “Alakavish was a Surgebinder. He should have known better. And yet, the Nahel bond gave him no more wisdom than a regular man. Alas, not all spren are as discerning as honorspren.”

“I agree,” Dalinar said.

So yeah, what do you all think of this theory? I'm sure there are many holes to poke in it, but it seems like it could make a lot of sense.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Stormtide_Leviathan

[Frustration]

Nohadon lived more than two-thousand years before the recreance. So unless he was a Dawnshard or found another way to extend his lifespan he wouldn't have been alive at the time.

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

17 minutes ago, Frustration said:

Nohadon lived more than two-thousand years before the recreance. So unless he was a Dawnshard or found another way to extend his lifespan he wouldn't have been alive at the time.

The recreance doesn't really have anything to do with the theory. Nohadon could have taken up honor during his natural lifespan.

[Frustration]

6 hours ago, Stormtide_Leviathan said:

The recreance doesn't really have anything to do with the theory. Nohadon could have taken up honor during his natural lifespan.

The Recreance was the time when Honor started to behave differently. So based on the premise that the change in personality was caused by a change in vessels, it had to occur near the recreance.

[Stormtide_Leviathan]

1 hour ago, Frustration said:

The Recreance was the time when Honor started to behave differently. So based on the premise that the change in personality was caused by a change in vessels, it had to occur near the recreance.

Ah, okay. That still doesn't necessarily exclude the possibility that he could have taken up honor but it does take away one of the biggest reasons I thought so. Darn

[Wandering Drow]

I do think you brought up some interesting points about Nohadon. I definitely think he will have more importance in the past of Roshar, since he is a strange and important dude. I heard a really interesting theory some where about how maybe Nohadon was/is one of Hood’s apprentices. That could explain how he maybe got knowledge to live longer, as a lot of worldhoppers seem to have unusually long life spans, so if this is true your theory could still stand. 
 

Edit: I found the thread where I found this theory. Secret Project Spoilers: 

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Edited June 25, 2022 by Wandering Drow

[Treamayne]

20 hours ago, Stormtide_Leviathan said:

We've heard many times that, in the time leading up to his death, Honor changed. He went insane.

I always felt this was akin to (Mistborn Spoilers):

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Leras was "killed" quite some time before the events of Era 1, but it took time for him to die. The effect we see is impacting his memory and ability to act; but that does not mean that is the only cognitive manifestation of the vessel's death on what remains (since BS has said that Vessels don't die all at once when killed).

This could also be why Tanavast can say in the Visions that "Odium has killed me;" while still interacting with the vision. So, the "madness" was a reflection of his death lingering as his ability to discern reality from possibility was fractured (stating possible futures as a fact) as his lucidity waxed and waned the same way that Leras' memories and function did.

 

[cometaryorbit]

Yes, I think the "madness" was the first symptom of Honor's approaching death.