Dalinar: Unity

[Voidspawn he/him]

I'm not super good at making and explaining my theories, but here goes...

I think that in the latter half of the series, Dalinar will become the Shard Unity (Honor, Odium and Cultivation combined) (or War (Honor and Cultivation), if Unity isn't possible).

Dalinar has big ideals about unifying everything. I think that during the latter half of the series, the Stormfather will somehow become Honor, Dalinar will continue to be Bonded to the Stormfather, but in a different way--he's the Vessel of Honor. He's going to kill Taravangian and beat Odium, but I don't think that it will end there. Instead of attempting to Shatter Odium, he will try to take over the power, becoming the Shard of War. After that, he's going to continue to try to unify Roshar by taking over Cultivation's powers, becoming Unity. He won't stop there, and attempt to Unify the whole Cosmere (with Cephandrius' help, of course). Eventually, he will become the new Adonalsium unless the rest of the Cosmere has anything to say about it. 

I know I'm not providing evidence, but it just makes sense in my head and it's kind of hard to explain it. If anyone wants to improve and shoot down this theory, feel free (basically, feedback is very wanted, be it good or bad). If anyone can find more evidence, please tell me so that I can put that in. If anyone wants to just rewrite it but better, that's awesome.

Thanks!

[TheCollector]

I don't believe that this would happen, as Brandon has already done something like this in (Spoilers)

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Mistborn when Sazed becomes Harmony. 

It's too similar and isn't very good writing, which is not what Brandon does.

[Ixthos Luke/Luke]

I personally think Honour (and possibly Cultivation and Odium, or parts of at least one of them) will be reformed, but I think it will be held by ten people together, so a Shard with ten Vessels. I don't know if they would be on a quest to combine the rest, but I could see at least a few of the Vessels embarking on a quest to gather the rest, and this being part of the conflict in the future.

[cometaryorbit]

A multi-Vessel Shard might be a possibility, yeah... maybe some Spiritual Connection thing could be "fixed" so the Splinters of Honor once more become linked parts of one Shard, but keeping the individual consciousnesses of the honorspren and the Stormfather, etc.

I wonder who (if anyone) would absorb the Highstorm the way (Mistborn: Hero of Ages spoilers)

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Vin absorbed the mists.

 

[Benkinsky they/them]

On 7.2.2022 at 11:10 PM, Voidspawn said:

(or War (Honor and Cultivation), if Unity isn't possible)

i doubt Honor and Cultivation would make War. The Rythm of War is the combined Rythms of Honor and Odium, so I assume it's atleast one of the possible interpretations of their combination. War, maybe combined with Cultivation then for Conquest, but Honor and Cultivation already have some mixing in 8/10 Bondspren, and they're not necessarily Warlike.

On 10.2.2022 at 2:32 PM, Ixthos said:

I personally think Honour (and possibly Cultivation and Odium, or parts of at least one of them) will be reformed, but I think it will be held by ten people together, so a Shard with ten Vessels. I don't know if they would be on a quest to combine the rest, but I could see at least a few of the Vessels embarking on a quest to gather the rest, and this being part of the conflict in the future.

ngl that's a really cool theory. I'd be very excited if that happened!

[+Child of Hodor]

18 minutes ago, Benkinsky said:

i doubt Honor and Cultivation would make War. The Rythm of War is the combined Rythms of Honor and Odium, so I assume it's atleast one of the possible interpretations of their combination. War, maybe combined with Cultivation then for Conquest, but Honor and Cultivation already have some mixing in 8/10 Bondspren, and they're not necessarily Warlike.

ngl that's a really cool theory. I'd be very excited if that happened!

You're right that the H + O light is already called Warlight, so H + C can't be War. I'd also say the lights don't correspond to the Shard name, Stormlight isn't the light for Storm or Weather or whatever. Voidlight, Lifelight also don't have the Shard name in them. They are in the same vein, connected in some way to the Shard name, but if all we knew was a shard's investiture was called Voidlight I don't think many people would infer Odium, Hatred, Passion is the Shard name.

I think Unity is another interpretation of Honor. Honor is bonds, contracts, laws both natural and manmade etc. Bonds are what allow molecules to form, marriage contracts unite two people, contracts ally nations together and so on. I think this is Tanavast's idea of how to beat Odium. Connect a future Bondsmith to the remnants of the Shard through via the Stormfather and give the Bondsmith visions that all say "Unite Them". 

My pet theory is Odium gets splintered in two with both H&C absorbing a piece of it. Dalinar is deeply connected to Odium, Cultivation took a piece of Dalinar and could have connection to Odium via that. 

[Frustration]

2 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

You're right that the H + O light is already called Warlight, so H + C can't be War. I'd also say the lights don't correspond to the Shard name, Stormlight isn't the light for Storm or Weather or whatever. Voidlight, Lifelight also don't have the Shard name in them. They are in the same vein, connected in some way to the Shard name, but if all we knew was a shard's investiture was called Voidlight I don't think many people would infer Odium, Hatred, Passion is the Shard name.

But Stormlight responds to Honor's tone. Lifelight responds to Cultivation's tone. Voidlight responds to Odum's tone.

Warlight responds to the Rhythm of war.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Frustration

[Anomander Rake he/him]

1 hour ago, Child of Hodor said:

You're right that the H + O light is already called Warlight, so H + C can't be War. I'd also say the lights don't correspond to the Shard name, Stormlight isn't the light for Storm or Weather or whatever. Voidlight, Lifelight also don't have the Shard name in them. They are in the same vein, connected in some way to the Shard name, but if all we knew was a shard's investiture was called Voidlight I don't think many people would infer Odium, Hatred, Passion is the Shard name.

What frustration said.  People aren't the best at naming things, and tend to go for what makes immediate sense.  We dont see them using Preservation-mancy or Ruin-malurgy on Scadrial, we see Allomancy (from alloy) and Hemalurgy (from blood).

[+Child of Hodor]

On 2/17/2022 at 8:15 AM, Frustration said:

But Stormlight responds to Honor's tone. Lifelight responds to Cultivation's tone. Voidlight responds to Odum's tone.

Warlight responds to the Rhythm of war.

 

On 2/17/2022 at 9:01 AM, Anomander Rake said:

What frustration said.  People aren't the best at naming things, and tend to go for what makes immediate sense.  We dont see them using Preservation-mancy or Ruin-malurgy on Scadrial, we see Allomancy (from alloy) and Hemalurgy (from blood).

I wasn't saying Stormlight wasn't of Honor or Honor's investiture I'm saying the names aren't 1 to 1. so the name of the combined Shard doesn't have to be War just because Navani decided to call it that. It could be, it will be something in the same spirit as that,  but that's more up to the vessel's interpretation of the Shard Intent. What Navani calls the light doesn't matter unless Navani ascends to that combo. 

[Frustration]

13 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

 

I wasn't saying Stormlight wasn't of Honor or Honor's investiture I'm saying the names aren't 1 to 1. so the name of the combined Shard doesn't have to be War just because Navani decided to call it that. It could be, it will be something in the same spirit as that,  but that's more up to the vessel's interpretation of the Shard Intent. What Navani calls the light doesn't matter unless Navani ascends to that combo. 

Warlight responds to the Rythm of War, just as Stormlight responds to Honor's tone, so yes it does matter.

[+Child of Hodor]

3 hours ago, Frustration said:

Warlight responds to the Rythm of War, just as Stormlight responds to Honor's tone, so yes it does matter.

No one is saying Warlight is not related to the combination of Honor + Odium. I'm saying the NAME of the SHARD doesn't HAVE to be WAR.

Who called it the Rhythm of War in the first place? Was it a god or was it Navani and Rabonial's interpretation of the Rhythm they were feeling? They gave it the name War. 

I've seen you flame every one you encounter on here including yelling at people about how your real world religion is the only one so I'll concede you are correct in all things as always mighty one. 

[Frustration]

4 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

Who called it the Rhythm of War in the first place? Was it a god or was it Navani and Rabonial's interpretation of the Rhythm they were feeling? They gave it the name War. 

Raboniel listened to the rhythm and knew that it was war, just as all other rhythms have names. It's an intrensic property, if you want the quote I'll get it to you in a couple of hours.

Edited February 18, 2022 by Frustration

[Frustration]

4 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

Who called it the Rhythm of War in the first place? Was it a god or was it Navani and Rabonial's interpretation of the Rhythm they were feeling? They gave it the name War. 

It was named by an inherent property of the light.

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"'I can name this rhythm: the Rhythm of War. Odium and Honor mixed together. I had not known it before today, but I recognize its name; I know it as surely as I know my own. Each rhythm carries with it an understanding of its meaning.'" -Rhythm of War page 876

 

[Voidspawn he/him]

On 2/17/2022 at 4:45 AM, Benkinsky said:

i doubt Honor and Cultivation would make War. The Rythm of War is the combined Rythms of Honor and Odium, so I assume it's atleast one of the possible interpretations of their combination. War, maybe combined with Cultivation then for Conquest, but Honor and Cultivation already have some mixing in 8/10 Bondspren, and they're not necessarily Warlike.

Yeah, that was a mistype. I meant to say Honor and Odium.

[feruchemicalrockband]

On 16/02/2022 at 9:11 PM, cometaryorbit said:

A multi-Vessel Shard might be a possibility, yeah... maybe some Spiritual Connection thing could be "fixed" so the Splinters of Honor once more become linked parts of one Shard, but keeping the individual consciousnesses of the honorspren and the Stormfather, etc.

I wonder who (if anyone) would absorb the Highstorm the way (Mistborn: Hero of Ages spoilers)

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Vin absorbed the mists.

 

I don't really see someone absorbing the Highstorm as it would be too similar to what happened in Mistborn. However, the Highstorm being controlled by someone is probably bound to happen at some point in the series. It's too important a feature of Roshar for that not to be part of some sanderlanche down the line, and "controlling the storm" has been brought up by a couple of different characters already.

For that to happen though the Stormfather would have to be either dead or reduced to some kind of mindless state.

[cometaryorbit]

Granting that the Rhythm of War is called that because hearing it conveys an understanding of its meaning, it still might not be as simple as combining the Intents of Honor and Odium making War. There's a WOB that Ruin and Preservation "polarized" while Invested in Scadrial, to make them so opposite; the fact that Odium's and Honor's forces have been at war for so long might influence how their Rhythm is perceived on Roshar.

[AerionBFII he/him]

You know I’m so selfish, I wanted Kaladin to become Honor or unity in order to have a larger role within the Cosmere.

I thought with Kaladin being (very loosely) related to Tanavast he’d have connection to Honor.. and possibly Todium he’d have connection to both Shards but it makes sense for Dalinar to ascend.