Qazxvy Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Yay! Another theory! Cusicesh the protector the giant Spren that appears at exactly 7:46. I think this is because someone observed it coming at that time "the locals could use it set their timepieces" And as said in a different area of the book it talks about how when something about a Spren is observed it stays the same. Oh and the everstorm is, somewhat obviously I think, a high storm that will last forever, possibly a desolation. Sorry "giant spree" was a typo, it was supposed to be giant Spren. Edited March 27, 2012 by Qazxvy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Spoonface Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Shouldn't this be in the Stormlight Archives forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulir Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think he put it here because the spren could be viewed as being important and a big part of the Cosmere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivertongue Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Moved to Stormlight Archive. The giant spren may have something to do with the Cosmere at large, but until we know for sure, it's a Stormlight Archive thing. Anyway, theorize on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I wonder if the spren wards the highstorms away from the city somehow, at least to an extent. That would explain the name. Everyone who is nearby feels drained afterwards, possibly indicating that it's drawing power from the crowd to use in the process. I also think it's a composite spren, made up of all the spren of a certain type, hence the rapidly shifting, nonrepeating faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) It doesn't just have to be observed, it has to be recorded, and that record would have to still survive. But yeah it could still be true, could have been initially recorded and stored by someone like the guy whose POV that scene was written. Edited March 28, 2012 by Voidus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Well, there's been a very large number of recordings made over time, most recently by that interlude viewpoint character. So it can be expected to persist, but where did it come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I also think it's a composite spren, made up of all the spren of a certain type, hence the rapidly shifting, nonrepeating faces. But spren can change their shape, so it could still be one. As for the tiredness thing I have a few theories but I think i'll work on them more before I post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazxvy Posted March 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Maybe this particular Spren needs energy to continue existing, and it knows that every day at that time people come so it drains some of their energy. Also I was thinking that for some reason maybe at that time of the day the people lose energy, so maybe it is some sort of an energy drain Spren, but that wouldn't make a lot of sense. I like the idea of it warding off the high storms though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I've had two separate ideas about this spren, although I'm not sure if they're any good. One is that it's just an oceanspren, and it's so large because Roshar just has one ocean, so there only needs to be one oceanspren. The other idea I had is that it might have once been the spren of a Herald. We don't know if they had any spren, but if this one could be bound it sure would have a lot of power. Maybe it's a Dawnsinger? They're also supposed to be spren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Maybe it's a Dawnsinger? Yeah that was my thought too, given it's regular occurence in the morning I think that it being a Dawnsinger makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoser Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 This thing is just so mysterious, it's fun to just ask questions about it. So if Shallan draws one of the faces, does it get stuck with that one? If someone sincerely but incorrectly writes the time down as 7:47, does it start to come up later? Does it average all the recorded times? If they move the pedestals for the hands, do they start to move around? Where are the faces from? Are they the people in the crowd? Are they the most protective people on the continent? Where does the energy go from all the drained people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I can't answer that second one I think, you have to actually record the time for it to take effect so if someone just mis-remembered the time and wrote it down then it wouldn't do anything, as for averaging the recorded times I don't think so otherwise it wouldn't be so consistent, some people would have written down approximate times, recorded with something less accurate than a clock and so might have written say 8:00 but it always comes at the exact same time so I think it must just go off of 1 measurement somewhere, either that or it arriving at that time is just a fixed part of its nature somehow. On the pedestals I would think that the hands would just reach down to the ground where the pedestals used to be, after all the pedestals were built for it so it must have had its hands in those same spots before they were built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaderAt2046 Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 What if it's a rechargingspren and it recharges the Highstorms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I'd expect the Highstorm spren, if any, to be at Origin. I forget whether Cusicesh looks towards or away from Origin, but given that Roshar is round that distinction may be academic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 It's towards, I like the idea of a rechargingspren I'm not sure about the tiredness thing, the only thing I can find that spren can affect is sticking things together (windspren), moving very small objects and the Nahel bond. So yeah, I'm quite interested in what's going on with Cusicesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikomis Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 If it's a giant "drainspren" it could explain the tiredness of everyone AND the protection...if it's just draining away the violent destruction of the storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Wilder Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Maybe it's a spectaclespren. Maybe in the past people started showing up at that waterfront each day at 7:46 to watch something else, and they got the attention of a spren that's attracted to large spectacles. Over time the original source of the spectacle stopped occurring, but by then the spren had become a spectacle in its own right, so now it shows up everyday because it's attracted to the spectacle of itself showing up everyday. Which makes me wonder if that guy who's documenting spren has a category for self-fulfillingspren. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthless Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) I don't have a clue what type of spren it is, but I think there's an easy answer about both its size and the energy/emotion it drains from the spectators. It's eating. And it eats a lot, so it's gotten really big. Speculatively, I would say that it is a perversion of the Nahel bond that gives honorspren sentience. One spren bonded with/drawing from one human gains enough to have its own thoughts and personality. One spren, drawing in a similar way from hundreds, would become more substantial over time, like Syl did, but have no defined intelligence or personality because it draws from so many disparate sources (different people). Yes. Extreme speculation But with as little as we know about the Nahel bond, spren, and... well, everything, speculation is all we can do, right? Edited April 15, 2012 by Truthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telcontar Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 I like that (last) idea. I have theorized that spren form when Stormlight binds to free cognitive aspects. The more spirit meets cognitive, the more sentient it becomes. I'd say the Protector it's that big because it drains tiny parts of human's spiritual energy. We know that people feel drained after having visited it. And we know that drabs feel a loss of something, only more important than what people feel after meeting the Protector. And if the Protector has lots of tiny human souls inside itself, those tiny souls make up the Protector's personality, only with many many faces. So when he appears, all the faces he has collected over the years shift constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aoysgelt Posted April 26, 2013 Report Share Posted April 26, 2013 Has anyone considered that pehaps Cusicesh the Protector is actually a Voidbringer, or some kind of cousin related to the Voidbringers? Cusicesh the Protector seems to suck energy from people (perhaps thereby acquiring faces), all the while looking to the Origin - to the destructive highstorms, and I have a suspicion that the highstorms are not caused by good things. Weren't there legends about the voidbringers stealing people's souls? A side note: Cusicesh the Protector can be anticipated, and similarly so can the highstorms, with a certain degree of accuracy. The Desolations, were also described as "regular in their coming, yet always unexpected". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathsin Posted April 28, 2013 Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) I don't think its big because it drains people's energy. Because that would mean it should still be growing, and if it were bigger, wouldn't its arms be in different spots to make up for it? Then they wouldn't be on the pedestals anymore. Also, he's called the "Protector", and I don't think draining people energy sounds very protective. What if something completely separate is draining them, and Cusicesh is protecting them from being drained any more? Maybe the Origin is draining them somehow? Another idea, if he wards off the hightstorms, and if he is draining people, maybe people didn't originally gather just to watch him, but to give him their energy? And they simply forgot the purpose of the gathering over a long time? Maybe Cusicesh comes at the same time because the people used to come at that time? Edited April 28, 2013 by Hathsin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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