Surgebound Rainspren Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 So, the wonderful folk over at NSA seem to be at their meddling ways again. At this point it seems that not all of the information is out yet but here is a time link to a news segment on it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVKyMk3ELQs#t=401 So, whats you guys opinion on this, is it an invasion of privacy...is there any excuse? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 I actually think this is just a conspiracy theory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surgebound Rainspren Posted February 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Probably, but they don't have the best track record do they. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 18, 2015 Report Share Posted February 18, 2015 Oh no. I'll just NOT talk about current political issues on the Internet, thank you very much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Probably, but they don't have the best track record do they. Well, maybe. But even if, then why should we care. It's not like normal people have anything intresting for them on their PCs. I think they wouldn't care, even if you had a pirated Windows on your PC. Even if they had a way to spy on us, it's not like they would assign a specific worker to each computer to actually read all the stuff we write, they would probably use some search engine, looking for some keywords, or something. I don't see a problem with that. I am much more concerned with what internet providers do in UK. They're actually following people on the internet. That's just bad, man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 In the USA, the issue is not whether people have secret stuff on their computer. The issue is whether the government should have the power to look at that stuff, secret or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) In the USA, the issue is not whether people have secret stuff on their computer. The issue is whether the government should have the power to look at that stuff, secret or not. It's the same issue everywhere, not only in the USA. What I mean is that I don't see a reason to care about that, if I don't have this "secret stuff". I don't say that goverment should have this power, but that I simply don't care if they do. And it's not like they actually really look what we're doing. They don't have time to look at that, they have millions of computers to invade, So I'm pretty sure that as long as I don't have "weird, secret stuff" my privacy is more or less safe. But that's just my personal opinion. Edited February 20, 2015 by Pestis the Spider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) I see your point. However, I consider myself to be a strict Constitutionalist, and what the NSA is doing clearly violates one of the Amendments. Edit: Of course, it's hard for me to say that, because I also want to be protected from terrorists, which is why the debate goes on... Edited February 20, 2015 by Snoopy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) I see your point. However, I consider myself to be a strict Constitutionalist, and what the NSA is doing clearly violates one of the Amendments. Edit: Of course, it's hard for me to say that, because I also want to be protected from terrorists, which is why the debate goes on... Well, I wouldn't know about that, because I know nothing about USA constitution, except for the year it was sign and by who, and I definitely know nothing about the Amendements. So I can't really discuss with that. But I do see your point. Edited February 20, 2015 by Pestis the Spider 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delightful Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Another issue with all this NSA spying is that 'the government' is made up of individual people, and what happens if somebody working at the NSA has a grudge on someone and uses their power to look at everything they do and use said info to mess up their lives? Should anyone really have that much power? And does it even *work* to stop terrorists? Those are important questions too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) #s 1 and 2 go back to my point about why it's unConstitutional. As (I think it was John Adams) John Adams said, "The concentration of powers in any hands...is the very definition of tyranny." #3: We don't know! It's all so hush-hush and secret that they won't tell us. Edited February 22, 2015 by Snoopy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delightful Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 As a non-American I don't know exactly what you mean by unconstitutional. BTW, I thought the original thing with the NSA was that they were spying on foreigners. Or is it only Americans? I'm a little confused. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 1. So basically, we have a Constitution that was set up when our country started. It gives rules as to how the government works. What I was referring to was this: It lays out specific areas that our national Congress has control over. Then, it says that all rights not specifically granted to the national Congress or specifically prohibited to the states and the people, belong to the people. Essentially, this is to minimize the reach of a central government, and give more power to the states. The individual states are meant to have more power than the central government. You can agree or disagree, but that is just how the Constitution is set up. If something is unconstitutional, it means that the law or court ruling violates certain rules set out in the Constitution. This law or court ruling is then considered invalid. (The Constitution can be changed by way of Amendments) The part of the Constitution that many people believe is the Fourth Amendment. Text: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. (I wrote an extremely long continuation of my answer in Microsoft Word, but for some reason, the editor won't let me paste. I don't feel like typing it twice, so here's a brief summation) The NSA doesn't have the ability to get a warrant for searching my computer. They can't be specific enough. It violates the Fourth Amendment and is therefore unconstitutional. 2. Oh. I didn't realize that you were referring to the NSA searching your computers. Since you're in a different country, I couldn't care less. Okay, that sounded harsh. But seriously, there's no laws prohibiting that, so I don't have a problem with it. Your country might not like it, but it's not illegal, per se. Just not nice. If you have any more questions about American government stuff, feel free to ask. I love to talk about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirdGen Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 It's in the nature of spies to act outside the law, always. That's part of why people execute them. They are living forces of random who-knows-what. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pestis the Spider Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Okay, that sounded harsh. But seriously, there's no laws prohibiting that, so I don't have a problem with it. Your country might not like it, but it's not illegal, per se. Just not nice. Well, I'm pretty sure that the laws of many other countries would actually prohibit something like that. It can't be this way that NSA can't search american computers, but can search any others. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Well, I'm pretty sure that the laws of many other countries would actually prohibit something like that. It can't be this way that NSA can't search american computers, but can search any others.Unless it's an international pact, I seriously doubt that America (or any country) would just comply with other countries' laws. And it would be kind of pointless for a country to pass a law that specifically prohibits another country from doing something.I find it mind of amusing, for example, that Germany is all mad about America spying on them when they probably have the exact same type of secret spying programs. I expect most countries do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Slowswift Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hooray for educated, civil discussion about politics! Though, as fascinating as I find government, I wouldn't touch politics with a ten-foot pole. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipper Posted March 3, 2015 Report Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hooray for educated, civil discussion about politics! Though, as fascinating as I find government, I wouldn't touch politics with a ten-foot pole. Well, you're better than some. Many people wouldn't touch it with a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyman Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 The first law of international law is: there is no international law. The second law of international law is: well, maybe there is, kinda sorta, but not really. And enforcement always involves real wars. World war II style wars. The third law of international law is: don't get caught unless you can take the heat. And that's about it, really. I'm not happy with it, myself (makes the world much more dangerous than it needs to be), but once you strip out the headlines and the emotional outrage, it sure explains what happens better than any other ideas I've seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blad3mast3r Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 I the NSA looks on my PC, they'll just say: "oh, another Gamer Sanderfan guy" Why would I care if they see? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 I the NSA looks on my PC, they'll just say: "oh, another Gamer Sanderfan guy" Why would I care if they see? What if you have dark secret journals and don't want people to read it? Just because you COULD be a terrorist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blad3mast3r Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 What if you have dark secret journals and don't want people to read it? Just because you COULD be a terrorist? *meh* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Just saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Gleeman Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 And then they see my browser with wikipedia pages on weapons, poisons, martial arts, etc. Book writing is intense! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I have nothing to hide from the NSA. It's not like my hours looking at automatic rifles, ski masks, Kevlar body armor, and tourist maps of the White House are SUSPICIOUS or anything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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