Voidus Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Put quite simply, the reason that Shallans fathers soulcaster didn't work after being repaired is that it never did. I realise it's probably a bit of a stretch to have both soulcasters being fake but I like my theory so I'm just going to ignore that and bribe you all with cookies. This is also an explanation as to why the ghostbloods want the soulcaster back so badly so that no one discovers that Brightlord Davar was actually a surgebinder, this basically all hangs around the fact that Scadriels forms of investiture were all hereditary so it may be the case on Roshar as well. Right, now COOKIES FOR EVERYONE!!! 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shivertongue Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 This is an excellent cookie theory. We should have more theories that come with snacks are so well put together. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odium's_Shard Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I am also with Shivertongue. Everyone on this forum likes bribes/theories/cookies. I especially like to chomp on a good cookie theory every now and again. Actually, now that I think about it, I probably should have proffered a cookie response of my own instead of sat here typing away about cookies you theory. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triasmus Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Meh... the cookie theory is not snickerdoodle good enough to convince me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) Actually now that I think about it this would also explain why the Ghostbloods wanted to kill Jasnah, she was the only other person who knew that it was possible to soulcast without a fabrial. Edited March 24, 2012 by Voidus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aradel Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 It was cut by a secret shardblade though. If it was a working fabrial, I'm willing to bet it'd need to be entirely reforged to work properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Well they did try to repair it, also do we know that it was actually cut by a shardblade? We know it was broken but that could have happened some other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aradel Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Shallan has a shardblade we assume she gained around the time she murderd her father. Her family discovered the soulcaster in his pocket after his death. The cut was clean, typical of shardblades. I'll have to hunt to find the page references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 If it says that it was cut I'll take that to mean by a shardblade but yeah I can only remember it saying broken :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triasmus Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 why would Shallan put it in a pocket? The sharblade would cut the clothes (since they're dead). And I would think "Shardblade" if I came across a dead body with clothes that are nice and cleanly cut but no wound is on the skin... unless the reason why there was a pool of blood was because Shallan recut that area after it was also dead (I don't think dead bodies make pools of blood very well though... ) and then she saw the soulcaster and was like "uhhhh... I'm gonna hide that in an uncut pocket". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odium's_Shard Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Dead bodies can pump blood around the body for roughly 45 seconds after their hosts have 'died' in the definition of 'brain-dead', which is what we might assume a Shardblade might do, ie, cut nervous connections to the brain. Therefore the heart would continue to follow its last instruction (beat) until such a time as the next set are due, at which the brain doesn't respond, and the heart then stops. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triasmus Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 The brain tells the heart to beat for 45 seconds? I would think the brain would tell the heart to beat for every time the heart needed to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odium's_Shard Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 No, no, the brain tells the heart to beat for ten loops (whole ventricular convulsions) in a row by sending out delayed nervous messages to the SAN pacemaker cells... basically, it receives one delayed message every beat, but the brain sends them in batches of ten. To maximise effectiveness, the brain has about 5 wholes batches waiting in the wings, and when it dies, all five are released in periods. 50 heart beats lasts the heart another 45 seconds. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triasmus Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 ooo. That's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odium's_Shard Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Sorry, as you can tell, my random knowledge covers a wide range of strangely and often indiscriminately remembered facts from my education. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triasmus Posted March 24, 2012 Report Share Posted March 24, 2012 Why apologize???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 If I had a smaller gif of it I'd give you another cookie for that Odium Random (seemingly useless) knowledge ftw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odium's_Shard Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 I apologize because at some point in the future you will be, once again, burdened with unnecessary and useless knowledge, solely in order for me to drive home a point. Eventually you will sink from the battleship-worth of random facts that will be unloaded onto you if you again question my 'knowledge' of heart neuro-transmitting units... and the involved chemo-transcriptular organs to receive electro-convulsion impulses... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 That's ok I love random and unnecessary information, hardly a topic comes up that I can't relate to some obscure piece of knowledge which I'm not sure how I possess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odium's_Shard Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Did you know that giraffe's saliva contains a poison that makes people love cuddly animals? It's true. Did you know that giraffe's tongue are black because they lick their body to heat them up in the winter, and black absorbs sunlight? It's true. You get the gist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aradel Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 The color pink only exsists because our brains are lying to us. Anyway- I maintain that the soulcaster was found in her father's pocket after his death, and one of the chains was cut by a shardblade. Actual soulcasters exsist, and the butler said it was genuine. So I believe the soulcaster wasn't fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 A possible explanation for how the Soulcaster got cut: Shallan's father was threatening to kill one of his sons with the Shardblade, Shallan grabbed something convenient and stabbed/clubbed him, he died before the Shardblade turned to mist and landed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triasmus Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 the soulcaster (or at least half of it) would fall out of whatever pocket it was in when it got cut because the pocket would have also gotten cut, if the soulcaster was cut by a shardblade. If the soulcaster was cut by a shardblade then the only explanation for it to be found in a pocket is if it was put there (unless you want to count the possibility that the blade became ninja for long enough to slip into the pocket and cut the soulcaster without cutting the pocket ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) The butler was a ghostblood as well though wasn't he? so he'd lie about it as well. Edit: I doubt you can tell a soulcaster is real or fake without actually using it, after all Jasnah would have been under some quite intense scrutiny and no one else picked up that hers is a fake. Edited March 26, 2012 by Voidus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanderton Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 I notice that you said in the OP that maybe soulcasting is genetic. Well we know Jasnah can soulcast, and we theorise that Elhokar can, so this supports that theory too. What if Gavilar could also? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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